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Haigotron
09-02-2007, 11:57 PM
I had never flown this bird until today, and I was impressed at how well it can hold its own.

I flew a quick 4vs4 QMB vs the A6 -> I was impressed!

I tried flying the A6 against it, and I must say I had quite the hard time!

I was wondering, was this bird extensively used? I am assuming, with the A6 I should try to climb as high as possible and drag the fight to high altitudes.

What are the 185's disadvantages? I liked the great view, the ammo count, the power of the canons, the speed, turn rate, climb rate.

Haigotron
09-03-2007, 12:00 AM
I read up on wiki, apparently, it was an engine failure that prompted the slowed down the 185's construction and the need to supply the motor to the La's.

DuxCorvan
09-03-2007, 12:05 AM
Apart from Polikarpov being in the 'to die someday' list of comrade Josif, several times.

BTW, the plane was included in the game as homage to a pilot and a present to a dev's friend, and its specs may be a bit... too ideal. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BaldieJr
09-03-2007, 12:10 AM
if it does a friend a favor i'm ok with it. history just repeats itself anyway.

Friendly_flyer
09-03-2007, 12:21 AM
It's among my favourite planes. It has one of the most benign handling of all the planes in this sim. *** Dux said, it's possibly a bit on the optimistic side, but that doesn't stop it from being a wonderful bird!

Dagnabit
09-03-2007, 01:15 AM
I like it I like it!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
It does have a nice smooth feeling to it.
Dag

alert_1
09-03-2007, 01:49 AM
What are the 185's disadvantages
Only one: uncomfortable throttle lever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

robban75
09-03-2007, 02:55 AM
The I-185 was all about speed, hence the small low drag wings. The I-185 had a high wingloading comparable to the Fw 190. From my testings(now outdated) the I-185(in-game) could despite its high wingloading turn with the best of them. It's climb rate at high altitudes used to be very optitmistic. IIRC only the Spitfire could best it at 10,000m.

I have no idea whether these errors have been corrected with the latest version of the game.

The cockpit and external model are superbly done! A nice looking bird it is too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

JG52Uther
09-03-2007, 03:36 AM
If it was realistically moddelled,it would be a deathtrap like most of the Russian planes.

Flight_boy1990
09-03-2007, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If it was realistically moddelled,it would be a deathtrap like most of the Russian planes.
Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ,but like the most red planes,it's not.

Billy_BigBoy
09-03-2007, 04:44 AM
The I-185 was a big unknown to me, accept for the fact DuxCorvan named about the homage.

But last weekend I had a very, very hard time against those I-185s On-line. Flying a Spit Mark IX the score was 2-1, in my disadvantage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, I'm gonna give this bird a try next time.

JG52Karaya-X
09-03-2007, 04:53 AM
Which I185 are we talking about? The M82 which would have been the production model had the I185 entered serial production or the fantasy M71 version who's engine would on average break down after just 20min of use...

Leaving aside the "wishful-thinking" M71 version I dont find the normal M82 model too impressive, its in the same performance region as the early La5 meaning that it is quite fast on the deck but lacks climbrate, topspeed and dive speed, shouldn't be too difficult to take care of in a Bf109F4/G2 or FW190A (the A4 outruns it at most altitudes, the A5 just leaves it in the dust).

BTW, am I the only one who finds the default skins of both models to be grotesque?

Xiolablu3
09-03-2007, 05:44 AM
The i185 didnt really see service. The plane which was produced was a 'prototype' in all sensible respects.

It should not be fighting 'normal' front line German aircraft on Eastern Front servers except as a novelty item.

Its a bit like putting the La7 and Yak3 up against the He162 and Go229. Its just fantasty.

Xiolablu3
09-03-2007, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Flight_boy1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If it was realistically moddelled,it would be a deathtrap like most of the Russian planes.
Yes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ,but like the most red planes,it's not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, nor is the in-game Bf109 a real handful to take off and land.

However I very much find the i16/Yak1/Lagg3 deathtraps against the early Bf109E's and F4's.

JG52Uther
09-03-2007, 06:15 AM
My wish for Bob is that these planes are more like the real thing.

Brain32
09-03-2007, 07:23 AM
Well, nor is the in-game Bf109 a real handful to take off and land.
Yes that's true, in-game bf109 becomes death trap AFTER take off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Skunk_438RCAF
09-03-2007, 08:51 AM
Whenever its available in a server I immediately select it. I use it to rack up my score and then when the map changes I select a crapola plane, so people can go "Wow Skunk, you got all those points in the piece of poop?" And then I can say that I am the bestest pilot.

Its a fun plane to fly really, especially against those Spit pilots who dont really know the plane. Just wait til they creep up on yer behind, then pull a Maverick on them, get on their tail and BANG, yer dead.

MLudner
09-03-2007, 08:54 AM
You took Oleg's Fantasy Machine up against FW-190A6's? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I would only make that aircraft available in a 1945 mission where there are jets handy .... lots of jets! It's like those guys that banned someone from their server for cheating because he was butchering them in their Bf-109G2's flying the OFM. The fools actually put the thing in a 1942 planeset!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Haigotron
09-03-2007, 12:02 PM
You took Oleg's Fantasy Machine up against FW-190A6's?

Lolz I assumed a 43 plane would be contemporary of it! But yes i was flying the M71. I wrongly assumed that lower number meant inferior design compared to the M82. Now I know better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gonna try doing the same with the M82 against A6s, put that in your pipe and smoke it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BaronUnderpants
09-03-2007, 02:02 PM
The I-185 M71 is included in -44-45 maps on DF servers...nuff said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyone trying to have a discussion with any level of seriouseness regarding this ac is really streching it thin.

That being said, its not the only fantasyplane in the game, but thats all it is..fantasy.

X32Wright
09-03-2007, 04:42 PM
HAHAHA that was me that got banend in a german server because they could not kill me and my friend lavidaloka (him in a yak) fighting two G-2s.

Actually I am still banned there after I was able to get in twice. As for the plane it is very good specially in the hards of someone who know how to E -fight. My only probem with it is the low ammo count. That should tell you that I am used to flying a 109 or FW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

danjama
09-03-2007, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
The I-185 M71 is included in -44-45 maps on DF servers...nuff said. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyone trying to have a discussion with any level of seriouseness regarding this ac is really streching it thin.

That being said, its not the only fantasyplane in the game, but thats all it is..fantasy.

ill go with this

185 is a joke plane, like la7 in patch 4.xx series

DuxCorvan
09-04-2007, 01:18 AM
Frankly, I've always found many Russian planes in the game to be a bit... optimal. I can't understand how most of them fared that bad in WW2, being so good and all. If Oleg models are right, then most WW2 VVS pilots had to be useless or fly drunk.

I know it's not PC to tell this, but given the loss ratio of VVS during WW2, it has to be one of these things or both:
1) VVS planes were defective.
2) VVS pilots were defective.

If -like the simulation suggests- both planes and men were up to the levels of Luftwaffe, then, what the h*ll happened in the Eastern skies up to 1944?

Xiolablu3
09-04-2007, 07:09 AM
Well, the Russian planes were quite good beloqw and around 3000m. Its as they went highger and higher that the German planes were dokminant.

DOnt be surprised that the Lachovins and Yaks Post '42 are so good around 3000m.

X32Wright
09-04-2007, 09:00 AM
This negative attitude towards the russians on the eastern Front is fairly typical even the luftwaffe considered the russians to be inferior in ability,training and equipment. All that even when the russians were using the yaks, airacobras and lavochkins vs 109s and specially the FW 190s using Lavochkins.

The I185 plane surely has 6 missions and did have some engine problems and yes was mostly did not get deployed because of political issues with Stalin by Polikarpov. Mind you all the aeronautical information gathred from the I185 was handed over to Mikoyan and was put into use with the Mig-3. Sadly Polikarpov didn't have Yakovlev or Mikoyan or Lavochkin's name but his plane's were pretty good.

ojcar1971
09-04-2007, 09:27 AM
Russian planes were good. Russian pilots were very poorly trained. Pilots were afraid to fly training missions, because if the plane got any damage, the pilot could be accused of being a saboteur.
Besides, the veterans were purged before the war.
Nearly all russian pilots were novice. It's training was in combat against the veterans of the Luftwaffe. And they hadn't the "Refly" button....

carguy_
09-04-2007, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I know it's not PC to tell this, but given the loss ratio of VVS during WW2, it has to be one of these things or both:
1) VVS planes were defective.
2) VVS pilots were defective.


30% of the first, 70% of the 2nd.

An average VVS pilot was badly trained.He could make all the standard maneuvers but none of the higher school tricks.In addition, Germans were pretty much an elite with Schwarmfuehrers that really had lots of experience and tactical brains.Further years of the war gave Russians a bigger knowledge on what their planes could do better than German machines.
Still, the Luftwaffe had self flying planes that needed little of the pilot`s care.Things like prop pitch, mixture and a whole bunch of other things we aint got modelled here made a big difference.Put a greenie into a Russian plane and you got a target.
There is a reason why technical things have such a little influence on the flight let alone combat in IL2.Try explaining to a Russian virtual pilot that ,if we were in for the real thing, his plane would overheat at 80% throttle and break down if careless engine management applied.

If things were close to realistic, even a 4:1 numerous advantage for the VVS wouldn`t change much.

SlickStick
09-04-2007, 11:12 AM
My favorite thing about some I-185-M71 pilots is that when you shoot them down in a Spitfire or La-7, they immediately type how you were flying a noob plane. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Tons more data available for the latter than the former, especially since they actually flew combat in WWII. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

ojcar1971
09-04-2007, 11:36 AM
Yes, Johnny Johnson and Ivan Kozhedub were noob pilots, be sure!
There aren't noob planes, nor veteran planes, only noob and veteran pilots. (And one bullet can kill equally noobs and aces)

mortoma
09-04-2007, 12:13 PM
Just because I read all this, I decided to take the Polipoptart I-185 and do a offline campaign in it. I decided not to use the hyper 71 model, selecting instead the more normal and sedate 82.
I was surprised!! It is better overall better than the plain LA-5 and LA-5F models because it handles better. Mostly because of it's better roll but it has a slightly inferior turn. Even though it should be slower between 1000 and 3000 meters, I am keeping up better with G2s than I ever did with the LAs. Those 3 nose cannons are supreme, better than the 2 on the LAs.

JG6_Oddball
09-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
If it was realistically moddelled,it would be a deathtrap like most of the Russian planes.
dont mince words uther say whats on your mind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

S!