PDA

View Full Version : What makes a 'great' online combat pilot?



ImpStarDuece
01-11-2005, 09:11 PM
Well, what do you think is the key to seperating the good from the great?

In my opinion it is gunnery. For me, the ability to hit a moving target from your own moving gun platform accuratly and reliably is what makes a superior pilot online. Without it you may as well be playing a game of aerial tip.

I dont care how well you can fly, how many tricks and feints and moves you have or how well you manage your E. If you can't hit a target you have no business being in a dog fight. The scariest flyers I find online are those that I know, once they have me in their sights, are going to get a kill. It doesnt matter if they fly the J8A or the Ta-152, they will put you down.

Anyone else got any ideas?

WUAF_Badsight
01-11-2005, 09:16 PM
there is only one real skill in a DF

all the rest is instinct/experience

LeadSpitter_
01-11-2005, 09:21 PM
Teamplay, situational awareness, clring your wingmans tail as fast as he can clr yours.

Not tieing up comms with your life story or *****ing about fms, not calling for help without alt grid and direction your heading.

And most important uber computer and connection

BBB_Hyperion
01-11-2005, 10:17 PM
oppurtunity and luck and lot of free time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ColoradoBBQ
01-11-2005, 11:07 PM
The ability to gun down an opponent is insufficient to the power of a well-flown stall tactic.

ImpStarDuece
01-11-2005, 11:14 PM
Your pathetic devotion to that old stall tactic hasn't helped you shoot down any planes, nor counjoured up the stolen data tapes. Erm, um, I mean won any co-ops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

LittleJohn-1337
01-11-2005, 11:23 PM
As an online ace, I would have to say:
The will to win, unmatched and master marksmanship, cockeyness, and raw innate talent.
Also some good macros and control setup.
Flying the k4 also helps.

WTE_Galway
01-11-2005, 11:51 PM
ability to handle long periods on a PC without toilet breaks

FatBoyHK
01-12-2005, 12:00 AM
an excellent internet connection, I would say.... You can't do anything if your enemies are UFO-ing all round...

WOLFMondo
01-12-2005, 12:49 AM
Working with others on comms. You can be a terribe pilot and do well if you work well with others.

civildog
01-12-2005, 02:29 AM
I always check my mirror often to make sure my hat is at just the right rakish angle and my scarf is flapping in the breeze.

If I can't be the part I may as well try to look it.

No76_Dutch
01-12-2005, 03:01 AM
Being a good sport when you lose.

Theres nothing worse than shooting someone down and then being called all manner of names or having your opponent quit the server in a huff.

JG5_UnKle
01-12-2005, 04:18 AM
Politeness, being a good sport and teamplay.

Gunnery

JG5_UnKle
01-12-2005, 04:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
ability to handle long periods on a PC without toilet breaks <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO - You need a pilot relief tube! As for the other, a good meal of Steak and Eggs before flight will keep a pilot firm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

JG54_Arnie
01-12-2005, 04:33 AM
Beer. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Seriously though, it helps to relax and chill while flying, then you are able to fly without actually thinking and flying on the intuition, makes for the best dogfighting moments, for me anyways. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MEGILE
01-12-2005, 04:37 AM
A good pint of Milk helps me through!

PBNA-Boosher
01-12-2005, 05:15 AM
A "great" online combat pilot's top 10 list of important things to remember:....

Well, of course the given would be that you can show some skill in at least one or more plane-types, but the way I figure, that is less important than these:

1. Keep to a sportsman-like code of conduct, always Salute after a fight, and keep shots fair and true. Keep to your own kills unless asked for aid, and show mercy when you know your opponent is finished, move onto the next target.

2. Be ruthless against the AI, but again, do not steal another's target unless you are asked for help.

3. Follow the server rules.

4. Remember that a reason we all play this game is because we want to have fun. Respect your opponent's fun by letting them get off the ground in a dogfight. Vulching, while it did happen in air combat during the 2nd World War, does not let your opponent have fun, which severely impacts their view of you, but of all pilots in general.

5. Be a good shot with your guns. Not for your sake, but for other's. If you decide to take a 1 km shot to hit a bandit, you may be lucky enough to hit it, but also remember that you might be unlucky enough to hit the friendly fighter trailing it. Conserve your ammunition and use it like you would water in the desert.

6. On comms, or in chat, show others respect, and they will do the same to you.

7. Keep your flying methodology to yourself. If you're in an external view server and prefer full real flying, it's not the server's fault you joined one that does not have your preferences. Everyone flies a different way, and they should not be criticized based on how they have fun. (unless, of course, they're endangering people in real life.)

8. Bear in mind we all come from different countries, and different backgrounds. Some are more affluent than others, and some may be more mature than others, but it doesn't mean we have to shove it in people's faces.

9. Do not pick on the noobish ones, for some day they may become aces. Instead teach them what they did wrong in their combats, gently, and soon they will be competing against aces and finding themselves the victors.

10. Love thy wingie, and treasure him/her. When the time arrives that calls in the use of a wingie, make sure that not only he/she has your back, but you have his. Such bonds of trust build high relationships in a squad and mean more success for your teams in combat.

ImpStarDuece
01-12-2005, 05:41 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Thanks Boosher. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Someone should put that post of yours in the "Museum of Uncommon Sense"

FRAGAL
01-12-2005, 06:51 AM
Going out getting 3 or 4 kills then RTBing with ammo still in your guns, also situational awareness helps loads

SithSpeeder
01-12-2005, 07:26 AM
What Boosher said. (like that post).

* _54th_Speeder *

VF-29_Sandman
01-12-2005, 07:34 AM
boosher hit the nail on the head. to 'lone-wolf' in a sky full of hostiles is the quickest way to suicide in any plane.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-12-2005, 07:50 AM
What makes a 'great' online combat pilot?

A really good wingman...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt._Tenneal
01-12-2005, 07:51 AM
Humility. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-12-2005, 08:23 AM
time ,practice and a good dose of dicepline

StellarRat
01-12-2005, 10:22 AM
Track IR

gates123
01-12-2005, 10:57 AM
I really respect flyers who can dominate in any plane they fly not just the ones with MK-108's attached to them.

fherathras
01-12-2005, 11:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gates123:
I really respect flyers who can dominate in any plane they fly not just the ones with MK-108's attached to them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



And hispanos...

falco_cz
01-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Mk 108 without shooting skills is worthless

StellarRat
01-12-2005, 01:20 PM
Actually, good shooting skills and good teamwork are hard to beat. Even the fastest most manueverable planes can be brought down by pilots that can work together and can hit the target when the opportunity arises.

WUAF_Badsight
01-12-2005, 09:05 PM
a Wingman doesnt improve your own skill

there is only one real skill in a DF

ImpStarDuece
01-12-2005, 09:11 PM
Care to enlighten us at to what that 'one skill' is Badsight?

WUAF_Badsight
01-12-2005, 09:13 PM
. . no . . .

but everything else besides is just instinct/experience

ImpStarDuece
01-12-2005, 09:25 PM
Fine, i'll just call you 'Curly' from now on....

BaldieJr
01-12-2005, 09:33 PM
Define 'great online pilot'.

If you volunteer at the local homeless shelter and fly online, I'd say you're a great online pilot.

On the other hand, if you are 36 and live in your parents basement while easily scoring 1,000,000 points per sortie, I wouldn't call you a 'great online pilot'.

Of course, some might see you as a 'great online pilot', but in reality, you're really just a loser who lives in his moms basement and plays video games all day.

WUAF_Badsight
01-12-2005, 09:33 PM
your like "totally" on the right track tho . . . .
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by ImpStarDuce :
Fine, i'll just call you 'Curly' from now on.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WUAF_Badsight
01-12-2005, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Of course, some might see you as a 'great online pilot', but in reality, you're really just a loser who lives in his moms basement and plays video games all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
from a man who flys a . . . " Hit Box " ! . . . :P http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jus joking dude

Heavy_Weather
01-13-2005, 07:07 AM
patience

Jumoschwanz
01-13-2005, 02:26 PM
An online pilot who can remain a gentleman when things do not go his way is certainly a good online pilot in that sense.

In another sense, the kill to death ratio is my measure. Look at the stats kept on a server that has the FB daemon thing going. You will not see anyone with five kills that has not been killed themselves, no aces at all! Most of the virtual pilots will have a kill to death ratio between 1 to 1 and 3 to 1. Theer air to air gunnery is between 1 to 4%. This is how the stats look for 99.9% of the online pilots, go see for yourself. They suck!

When greatergreen recently wiped and restarted thier stats for online pilots, for a while I made an effort to see how far I could go without getting killed. As a lone wolf pilot, against good average opposition, I made it up to seven kills before I collided with a bomber I was doing a 90 degree deflection shot on, a stupid unsafe move and I paid the ultimate price, my virtual life.

Up until that point with seven kills and no deaths I think I was the only "living" ace on greatergreen out of over one thousand virtual pilots. Check the stats, they have all been killed many times over and over again.

As far as needing a wingman, it is not necessary for me. I never had one or joined a squad. After three years of flying full real style servers I know how to stay alive on my own. The tought part is getting caught up in the excitement and taking uneccesary risks as I did with my bad shot at the bomber. You can bet if I had my real life on the line I would have been more careful and would still be alive.

A real dead ace,

Jumoschwanz

TheGozr
01-14-2005, 01:31 AM
Prove it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=6571028162&p=1

DuxCorvan
01-14-2005, 07:24 AM
"What makes a 'great' online combat pilot?"

A lot of n00bs around... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Of course, some might see you as a 'great online pilot', but in reality, you're really just a loser who lives in his moms basement and plays video games all day. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Self-confession, Baldie? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-14-2005, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Self-confession, Baldie? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah...he just got married and moved out...remember? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Lukki
01-14-2005, 10:04 AM
Superior equipment of course. Depends on the difficulty settings a bit though. Fast computer, huge monitor, trackIR, precise controls, good connection, 3D audio...Tolerance for flying the best plane available, always. For example, between A6M and Ki-84 I tend to pick the A6M.

civildog
01-14-2005, 10:21 AM
Large ****** and not being afraid to use them.

Lucius_Esox
01-14-2005, 01:22 PM
**** somone said it first, Patience.

WUAF_Badsight
01-14-2005, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumoschwanz:
Up until that point with seven kills and no deaths I think I was the only "living" ace on greatergreen out of over one thousand virtual pilots. Check the stats, they have all been killed many times over and over again. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
the only problem with that is that your comparing DF room players

if you were to look at online war players , the suvival rates sky-rocket , as they are playing to survive more , the survival mindset is greater amongst players competing in an online war , not so much in players just having fun in a DF room

also , lots of people have gunnery averages of 10 - 20 %

some i have noticed get up to 25 - 30% , & thats after multiple sorties , maintaining that kind ofaverage is very hard tho

Fehler
01-15-2005, 03:34 AM
Bah, this is the easiest question ever. Just three words will unlock the secret to on-line ace flying.

Pabst Blue Ribbon!

p1ngu666
01-15-2005, 04:07 AM
in df's your going against really good pilots all the time, mostly

imo someone who will try there best to help out the others hes flying with, even staying in combat area with no ammo to try and scare ppl off his friends 6. also have more respect of a persons flying ability if they can fly many types of planes, and do multiple things like ground attack and dogfight, often at the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif