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Tully__
02-18-2009, 03:32 AM
This is a continuation of Sim Pit Builder/Stick Modder Thread - Part 1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134)

Last post of Part 1 is at http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...9521041437#9521041437 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134?r=9521041437#9521041437)

Tully__
02-18-2009, 03:32 AM
This is a continuation of Sim Pit Builder/Stick Modder Thread - Part 1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134)

Last post of Part 1 is at http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...9521041437#9521041437 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134?r=9521041437#9521041437)

Buchon1974
02-22-2009, 02:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Hils,

Look very good. A "WWII" style. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

These wire in "V" are to adjust magnets position?

I see that you are master in use HALL sensors. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you Sokol1. You work is an inspiration to all modders http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
The wire in "V" is the lever that moves the magnets arround the hall sensor. I´ve got a 70% of the hall´s tour, enough.

GreyFox5
02-26-2009, 04:22 PM
For those trying to build throttles here are a couple of examples for ya.

http://kennair.com.au/throttles.html
http://kennair.com.au/throttles2.html

Also a lot of other cockpit ideas here: http://kennair.com.au/index.html

NuMcA_of_CS
03-18-2009, 04:54 AM
Previous Designs

I have been trying to create my own controls for some time. I started by modding an old PSU, adding levers and controlling them with Leo Bodnar's BU0836 (http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html). The outcome was this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/throttles_READY.jpg
It was very fun to play with and very immersive, but since i do not have space for a proper arm-rest i suffered from tendon-fatigue http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif . So i my next step was to build something as flat as possible, a bit less "cockpit oriented" and more "desktop oriented".


Flight Console v2

I started designing it in AUTOCAD in order to see in 3d how it would function. After investing about 30 hours in designing i felt that it should be done right and searched for a laser cutter to make the plans real. After a small search, i found LaserMark Ltd (http://www.lasermark.gr/eidikes%20kataskeyes_n.htm) in my town. It is a company that engraves guns, airplane and tank panels for the Greek Armed Force:
http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/JSC2000E10522_pr.jpg (http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/jet%20cockpit.jpg) http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-uspthump.JPG (http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-usp45c.jpg). Here is a video of engraving of jet airplanes on an aluminum plate: Lasermark@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5SojX0qGLk&feature=related).

I used plexiglas for the construction, because it was easy to find and easy to glue if needed. I used white plexi for the "face" of the console and black for the main body. I covered the white plexi with black self-adhesive vinyl film (http://www.allproducts.com/plastic/itemplast/23-adhesivevinyl.jpg) and then engraved the letters and cut the holes so as to be able to backlight the panel. I used 120 led-strip (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSC08425.jpg) for light For controls i used once again the much-appreciated BU0836. This is the outcome:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016-1.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1016.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1031.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1031.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1020.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1020.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1029.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1029.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1030.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1030.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1022.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1022.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1025.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1025.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0987.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0987.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0983.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0983.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_Picture097-1.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/Picture097-1.jpg)

Custom solution for head-tracking:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/th_DSCF0911.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/DSCF0911.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1019.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1019.jpg)

More photos in my photo-album: Console@Photobucket (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/?albumview=grid)

Videos in Youtube of console: <UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> Analog Mixture Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVbocQsNEY)
<LI> Demonstration flight (with real sound) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ4bmXHg69g)
[/list]

PS: The letters look a bit blurry, because i was supposed to peel off the remaining vinyl after the stencil-cut. But i didn't since i am too afraid that i will spoil it. See the detail on "C" of "pit-C-h":
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1028.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1028.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1027.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1027.jpg)

Vanderstok
03-18-2009, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GreyFox5:
For those trying to build throttles here are a couple of examples for ya.

http://kennair.com.au/throttles.html
http://kennair.com.au/throttles2.html

Also a lot of other cockpit ideas here: http://kennair.com.au/index.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent site, thanks! Just what I need to get started with my own throttle...

rnzoli
03-18-2009, 06:15 AM
Re. NuMcA_of_CS
10 x WOW! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Steven190
03-18-2009, 07:19 AM
Throttles are easy to build.

I used the BU0836 from Leo and fab the base and lever.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v157/Steven190/Throttle.jpg



I used a 270 degree turn pot. with a 5/8"knob against a 3" radius wheel, cut in half.

Uufflakke
03-18-2009, 09:20 AM
Looks very good NuMcA_of_CS. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Me as a technoob won't be able to make something like that. But I like to visit this thread once in a while to see all those simpit images.
But do I see something in your comment what doesn't seem to be allowed to mention or to link? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
03-18-2009, 09:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Uufflakke:
But do I see something in your comment what doesn't seem to be allowed to mention or to link? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Do you mean the comment about the controller and the engraving company?? I just wanted to present this information, to create a "How to" where people could find solutions on similar projects... If by any mean this is a foul play, i would be quick to change the post! Sorry if i crossed any line.

Uufflakke
03-18-2009, 09:54 AM
No, it is the alternative headtracking device and its link. This forum got sponsored or something like that by TrackIr so that seems to be the reason.

NuMcA_of_CS
03-18-2009, 10:10 AM
Conformed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/p-38firing.gif

venny1962
03-19-2009, 06:12 PM
Hey all... S!

Does anybody know if the information sent to a FFB stick from the game is different between diff aircraft? As in stick forces between a 190 vs 109 or are they all the same all he way across the board? I have an idea on how to build an electric over hydraulic floor mounted FFB stick.

Venny

ROXunreal
03-20-2009, 05:50 AM
I am so stealing that console Numca. You should make more of those and sell them for big money, I'm sure you would get at least a few buyers.

NuMcA_of_CS
03-20-2009, 01:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I am so stealing that console Numca. You should make more of those and sell them for big money, I'm sure you would get at least a few buyers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! It is a fully automated procedure now the first one is build and tested! The Laser-cutting cost was 90euros (materials included) so i guess it would be a bit pricey.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
ANy interest??

NuMcA_of_CS
03-29-2009, 05:01 AM
I am building rudder pedals at the moment. I am trying to build them with ForceFeedback/Vibration. I am using a cheap USB joypad with ForceFeedback to utilize its FFB. More information on the thread: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...9310655/m/3391098447 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3391098447)

I will post the results here.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/p-38firing.gif

DrHerb
04-01-2009, 07:39 PM
Id like to know What kind of pots are in an X-45 and if there is a wiring schematic out there, my friend want to attempt to rebuild my x45 and get it to run like new again, any ideas?

mmitch10
04-08-2009, 01:49 PM
My throttle quadrant has developed a problem. I use Vishay 10-turn pots for the three trim wheels. The rudder trim has suddenly stopped responding after over a year of trouble-free use.

I've checked all of the wiring and soldering and it's all ok. Which is more likely, a problem with the pot or a problem with the BU086 that it's connected to? I guess the best way to sort it out is to buy a new pot and a new BU086, but if anyone can give me a likely cause that might save me some expense, I'd be grateful.

rnzoli
04-08-2009, 02:51 PM
The best way to sort it out is to swap the fault-suspected pot input with a good one to the BU. If the pot gives good signal in new position, the BU is faulty. If the pot gives faulty input in its new axis as well, the pot is faulty.
Easy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mmitch10
04-08-2009, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
The best way to sort it out is to swap the fault-suspected pot input with a good one to the BU. If the pot gives good signal in new position, the BU is faulty. If the pot gives faulty input in its new axis as well, the pot is faulty.
Easy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Thanks rnzoli, sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees. That's a job for the Easter weekend (if I have time with all the beer, pizza and pr0n http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif)

rnzoli
04-13-2009, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
Flight Console v2

This is the outcome:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016-1.jpg
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, I have got to the stage to think about making something similar, as it can really help immersion. I have problems finding letters on the keyboard, especially when lights are out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Can you help me a bit by sharinge the types of buttons and switches that you use?

I am specially interested about the switches with safety covers. There are a couple of them I would like to protect that way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, but my quick search at Farnell didn't turn up anything useful, there are more than 2000 types http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

So if you could post or PM me your part number list for the buttons/switches, I would greatly appreciate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rnzoli
04-13-2009, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmitch10:
Thanks rnzoli, sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees. That's a job for the Easter weekend (if I have time with all the beer, pizza and pr0n http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
By the way, I had my fair share of troubleshooting over the Easter Holidays, no time for any of those! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bolox00
04-13-2009, 11:50 AM
switch safeties i get from maplins

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=37319

NuMcA_of_CS
04-14-2009, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
I am specially interested about the switches with safety covers. There are a couple of them I would like to protect that way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, but my quick search at Farnell didn't turn up anything useful, there are more than 2000 types http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

So if you could post or PM me your part number list for the buttons/switches, I would greatly appreciate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I bought everything from here: http://stores.ebay.com/PARTSPIPE

PARTSPIPE SHOPPING LIST:

1) 12pcs FOR AMPLIFIER,BASS RED CHICKEN HEAD KNOBS KNOB,R
Item number: 290266752673 (http://cgi.ebay.com/12pcs-FOR-AMPLIFIER-BASS-RED-CHICKEN-HEAD-KNOBS-KNOB-R_W0QQitemZ120347664022QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58163QQc mdZViewItem)
http://i10.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/71/33/ba_2.JPG

2) 6pcs,Latching+Momentary On-Off-(On) Toggle Switch,B213
Item number: 290265153148 (http://cgi.ebay.com/6pcs-Latching-Momentary-On-Off-On-Toggle-Switch-B213_W0QQitemZ290265153148QQihZ019QQcategoryZ47076 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262)
http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/90/72/37ed_2.JPG

3) 12pcs, GREY Momentary Push-Button OFF-(ON) Switch,GY507
Item number: 300282804903 (http://cgi.ebay.com/12pcs-GREY-Momentary-Push-Button-OFF-ON-Switch-GY507_W0QQitemZ300282804903QQihZ020QQcategoryZ5816 6QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
http://i8.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/8b/99/38_2.JPG

4) 12,RED Momentary Push-Button Off-(On) N/O Switch,R507
Item number: 120320395831 (http://cgi.ebay.com/12-RED-Momentary-Push-Button-Off-On-N-O-Switch-R507_W0QQitemZ120320395831QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58166 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262)
http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/79/bb/a7_2.JPG

5) 8,Push to Make Amber 3v Led Off/On 250v Switch,A503L
Item number: 300281024959 (http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Push-to-Make-Amber-3v-Led-Off-On-250v-Switch-A503L_W0QQitemZ300281024959QQihZ020QQcategoryZ5816 6QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262)
http://i13.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a6/ea/d12f_2.JPG

6) Emergency Stop Mushroon PushButton 660V N/C Switch,132
Item number: 290283803836 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Emergency-Stop-Mushroon-PushButton-660V-N-C-Switch-132_W0QQitemZ120379750055QQihZ002QQcategoryZ58166Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262)
http://i9.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/dc/fe/7d90_2.JPG

7) 4,Car Fog Light Red Switch Safety Cover/Guard,R01
Item number: 300267563970 (http://search.stores.ebay.com/PARTSPIPE_switch-guards_W0QQfcdZ2QQfciZQ2d1QQfclZ3QQfromZR10QQfsnZP ARTSPIPEQQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQfsubZ11007792QQsaselZ171 050829QQsofpZ0)
http://i7.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/97/d3/708f_2.JPG

8) 3,illuminated Fog Light Switch Car/Boat/Motorbike,R07D
Item Number: 300136063816 (http://cgi.ebay.com/3-illuminated-Fog-Light-Switch-Car-Boat-Motorbike-R07D_W0QQitemZ300136063816QQihZ020QQcategoryZ26211 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/79/72/ee_2.JPG
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some suggestions:
1). I would avoid buying again "5) 8,Push to Make Amber 3v Led Off/On 250v Switch,A503L" http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/3002810249598080_5.jpg because the lamps were burnt within 10 days, and cannot be replaced.

2). All buttons ( http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/pict/1203203958318080_6.jpg , http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/3002828049038080_4.jpg ) feel a little bit CHINESE (if you know what i mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif). But they have an extremely good VALUE/MONEY factor!!

3). The "Latching-Momentary switches" have proved to be amazingly good and useful in IL-2 since they can be used both as switches AND buttons.

4). Beware that "4,Car Fog Light Red Switch Safety Cover/Guard,R01" http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/3002675639708080_6.jpg are keep the switch ALWAYS ON if the cover is down. This is something easily fixed while assigning keys in IL2.

That is all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

rnzoli
04-14-2009, 11:47 AM
Excellent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I gear up for shopping online!

jayhall0315
04-21-2009, 05:10 AM
Finally got around to getting my new desktop setup. My fiance is way too yuppie to ever allow me a 'pit' so I had to do the best I could with 21st century tasteful, LOL. At any rate, you can see my nice Revised Franken Potato and CH FS/PP. I will get the Track IR 4 thingy maybe for my birthday later this year (I got the hat clip though and I am fooling with setting up FreeTrack soon).
After much reading and checking I decided to go with the Sharp Aquos LC-46D85U, a 46 inch model that puts out 120 Hz (which allows use of Nvidia 3D Vision) on a 10 bit panel. I may also get some nice multi-function panels in the near future as well (fiance permitting). Its not as sweet as many of the custom one off jobs I have seen here in the forums, but then you guys dont know my fiance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks Ken, this Franken Potato is kicking butts

Specs are: i7 940 @ 4.0 GHz, ASUS P6T Deluxe Version 2, 6 GB Corsair Dominator @ 1866, 2 x 4870x2 (Quad Crossfire), Ageia PhysX PPU card, Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty, 4 x OCZ Vertex 120 GB SSDs connected to special Highpoint RAID card running in RAID 0, Seagate 1 TB, Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W modular, Samsung 22x DVD burner and LG GGW-H20L Blue Ray Burner, Custom Watercooling by Swiftech and EK on the CPU, GPUs and PP, Logitech G15, MX Revolution and G7 wireless, Creative Gigaworks 750, Sharp LC-46D85U, and CH FS/PP plus Revised Franken Potato

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1358&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1359&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum...thumb=1&d=1240188750 (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1360&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750)

Buchon1974
04-29-2009, 01:55 AM
Work in progres...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/Peroquepasa/Throttle%20MKII/IMG_0344.jpg?t=1240923997

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/Peroquepasa/Throttle%20MKII/IMG_0349.jpg


I found that ammunition box on ebay, it's perfect.

rnzoli
05-11-2009, 02:15 PM
Some random wiring exercise pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A lonely BU836:
http://web.t-online.hu/rnzoli/JoyBuild/joystick-bu836.JPG

A lonely Logitech FFB-capable board:
http://web.t-online.hu/rnzoli/JoyBuild/joystick-logi.JPG


And now they are in the same housing! http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif
http://web.t-online.hu/rnzoli/JoyBuild/joystick-two-in-one.JPG

With mechanics in view:
http://web.t-online.hu/rnzoli/JoyBuild/joystick-full.JPG

squareusr
05-11-2009, 04:16 PM
So the rnzoli stick is finally getting the Bodnar Unit it deserves!

I wonder how you will put them in parallel. twin IR sensors? shared sensor? IR sensors plus halls for the BU? crude pots for the Logi? FFB somehow decoupled from stick position?

rnzoli
05-12-2009, 02:51 AM
Well, it had it for a long time, about a year, but it was sitting alone in the aluminimum housing underneath the stick mechanism. The Logitech board was 1 m away in its old stick base and had to plug it/unplug it every time setting up the desk for flying. It was actually dangerous, as the FFB pins could be easily shorted during this, blowing the FFB circuit immediately. I had one Logitech board dying that way - now I use that in the throtte (no FFB needed). Moreover, the long cabling is always a risk for picking up interference, especially from the power cables driving the FFB motors - they carry a high-frequency, high-current signal. Not a good design choice from Logitech, but what to do - this is done by a standard circuit, basically manipulating the length of full power left/full power right cycles. When the FFB motor should produce no power, it gets 50%-50% share of this, and when it has to produce a medium left force, the time-slot for applying the full left power increases, e.g., to 70% to 30%. Due to the momentum of the motor and high frequency of the changeovers, it all averages out eventually, but this contaminates the electromagnetic fields quite badly, so everything had to be shielded to the maximum extent and even that way, the BU could pick up noise when the FFB was turned on.

So in order to remove the risk of shorting and also reduce the lenght of the wires going back and forth, I decided to move the Logitech board into the same housing. There is only one sensor per axis, no duplicated sensors. The BU6363 has got the upper hand, so to speak - the IR sensors are driven from it and the return signal goes straight in to the BU input, and also, in parallel, over a 330 kOhm resistor into the the Logitech board.

julian265
05-12-2009, 05:08 AM
Hey rnzoli, have you considered this kind of PCB stand-off?

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=HP0762

No drilling required, and of course no insulation either.

There are also ones which lock in place through case holes:
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=HP0776

rnzoli
05-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Interesting link, never seen them before http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
But I am a bit worried about their adhesive nature. In the violently shaking environment of an FFB stick, I am more trustful towards the good old screw and nut type of stand-off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif All fittings must be rock solid and tight.

The white rubber sheet you see in my pics is actually not needed, but I placed them there to avoid wire-cuts, soldering materials, loose screws etc. go underneath the PCB by any chance, during the construction. I could have removed them after all was finished, but I didn't bother http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
06-18-2009, 07:56 AM
At last i was able to shoot some photos of my pedals. I have just upgraded the braking mechanism from springs to spring-rods. It feel tight and firm now!
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals033.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals032.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals032.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals034.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals034.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals035.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals035.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals037.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals037.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals002.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals002.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals005.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals005.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals007.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals007.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals008.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals008.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals010.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals010.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals015.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals015.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals018.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals018.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals020.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals020.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals021.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals023.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals023.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_Pedals031.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals031.jpg)

Slideshow here: http://w202.photobucket.com/pb...imbanos/7c06978e.pbw (http://w202.photobucket.com/pbwidget.swf?pbwurl=http://w202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/7c06978e.pbw)

All pictures here: http://s202.photobucket.com/al...dals/?albumview=grid (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/?albumview=grid)

m_gansler
06-20-2009, 11:47 PM
How did you map the two sliders to left and right throttle? I haven't seen anything in IL2 to do that. I have seen the buttons to select enginers individually, but not a way to permanently assign engines to each slider.

Thanks,

Mike

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-21-2009, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by m_gansler:
How did you map the two sliders to left and right throttle? I haven't seen anything in IL2 to do that. I have seen the buttons to select enginers individually, but not a way to permanently assign engines to each slider.

Thanks,

Mike </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, il2 does not model separate throttles. There is an addon program to do this but it doesn't support all throttles, read more here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2741045185?r=2741045185#2741045185).

NuMcA_of_CS
06-21-2009, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by m_gansler:
How did you map the two sliders to left and right throttle? I haven't seen anything in IL2 to do that. I have seen the buttons to select enginers individually, but not a way to permanently assign engines to each slider.

Thanks,

Mike </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This can be done through many different ways.
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI> Through Shinjiro's way

<LI> Through a simple hack in settings.ini of your installation. You assign both axes to control "POWER", and then create a program/script that presses "select engine #1"/"select engine #2" when you move one of the throttles.
Read more here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...651074467#3651074467 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3651074467?r=3651074467#3651074467)

<LI> Through GLOVEPIE. You create a script in GLOVEPIE in which you assign POWER to both axes. Whenever you move one axis, the program presses "select engine #1"/"select engine #2". You can read very detailed instructions and find working scripts here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...921049526#2921049526 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/2921049526?r=2921049526#2921049526) [/list]

NuMcA_of_CS
07-27-2009, 04:28 AM
I am currently building a new console, this time named ICARUS ONE, for a member of the forum. I am using BU0836 (as soon as the site is back up) and the same arangement of plexiglass and backlight! The new version has some minor problems fixed, plus new and much brighter font!
Laser cut day yesterday:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709124.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709124.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709006.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709006.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709011.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709011.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709016.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709016.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709019.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709019.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709021.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709027.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709027.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709034.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709034.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709034.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709034.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709045.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709045.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709048.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709048.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709052.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709052.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709061.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709061.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709058.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709058.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709064.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709064.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709067.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709067.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709070.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709070.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709072.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709072.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709074.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709074.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709049.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709049.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709072.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709072.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709097.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709097.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709102.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709102.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709107.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709107.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709112.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709112.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709115.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709115.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709117.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709117.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709122.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709122.jpg)
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709134.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709134.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709128.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709128.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709072.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709072.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/th_SuperJew260709117.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709117.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/SuperJEW/SuperJew260709127-1.jpg

DD_crash
07-27-2009, 04:48 AM
That is a very neat job. Well done http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FoolTrottel
07-27-2009, 09:12 AM
Cool Stuff!

Hm, I got a BUO836 here, unused... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
07-27-2009, 12:00 PM
I myself have a spare one too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

THX TROTTEL!

Aviar
07-28-2009, 10:33 AM
All very cool stuff. In case anyone has not heard yet, there is planned OFFICIAL support for dual throttle control in future IL-2 add-ons:

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_420a.html

Aviar

NuMcA_of_CS
08-31-2009, 10:24 AM
This is my updated flight setup. Just added a Saitek X52 throttle and stick:

DAY
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/29082009016.jpg

and NIGHT
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/29082009019.jpg

with instrument panel
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1031.jpg

My current configuration is consisted of:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> Saitek X52 Throttle and stick,
<LI> Custom made backlighted console (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=8271062247#8271062247),
<LI> Custom made metal pedals (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=8551006467#8551006467),
<LI> Free-source head tracking,
<LI> EEE PC 900 as instrument panel through Devicelink (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/7201027043).
<LI> Logitech G5 gaming mouse. [/list]

na85
08-31-2009, 11:12 AM
Has anyone successfully used the Mjoy source code as a base for a DIY flight controller project?

Sokol, I seem to recall you talked about this but I can't find the thread (possibly it has been deleted).

NuMcA_of_CS
08-31-2009, 11:23 AM
Already building a programmer for AVR myself..It is a pity we lost BU0836..
TronicGR (http://ptyxiouxos.net/greekbotics/user_projects/Flight_Simulator/thanos_home_motion_flight_simulator.htm) built a very help full tutorial on MJOY: http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki...Joystick_by_TronicGr (http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki/Mjoy16_USB_AVR_Joystick_by_TronicGr)

FoolTrottel
08-31-2009, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
(...)..It is a pity we lost BU0836..
(...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you sure?
His site appears to be back up again: Leo's site (http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/)

NuMcA_of_CS
08-31-2009, 12:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

na85
08-31-2009, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
Already building a programmer for AVR myself..It is a pity we lost BU0836..
TronicGR (http://ptyxiouxos.net/greekbotics/user_projects/Flight_Simulator/thanos_home_motion_flight_simulator.htm) built a very help full tutorial on MJOY: http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki...Joystick_by_TronicGr (http://www.x-simulator.de/wiki/Mjoy16_USB_AVR_Joystick_by_TronicGr) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks numca.

Do you find that 10-bit resolution on the analog inputs is precise enough? i.e. for trim?

NuMcA_of_CS
08-31-2009, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thanks numca.

Do you find that 10-bit resolution on the analog inputs is precise enough? i.e. for trim? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Short version:
From my experience 1024 steps will do the trick perfectly.

Director's cut:
Leo's BU0836 is offering 10-bit resolution too. This means 1023 positions for the analog lever. From my own experience it is truly satisfactory. Even with multi-turn pots, you get 124 positions within one turn, which means roughly 2.9 degrees for every step. Even if you used a 125mm (5in) TRIM wheel, that would mean you will have to move you finger for only 6mm (0.25in) to change one step of trim. (Calculations for my console).

Sokol__1
08-31-2009, 05:57 PM
na85,

Mjoy16 is easy to assembly, if you know how make good soldering, you make one. I build some.

This linked article in X-Sim is useful but a bit confuse, say Mjoy16 but schema if for Mjoy, and firmware are old Mindaugas version.
For Mjoy the most recent is Mercury version.
http://mercury13.tut.su/?q=mjoy

Mjoy (ATMEGA 8-16Px)
6 axis (2x 10 bits, 4x 8 bits)
24 buttons (4x7 matrix)
HAT

Mjoy16 (ATMEGA 16-16Px)
8 axis (10 bits)
64 buttons (8x12 matrix)
16 toggle switch (32 buttons)
4 encoders, with two modes (16 buttons)
Total= 112 buttons
HAT

Components (capacitor, crystal, resistor, inductor) for each version are the same - minus ATMEGA - cost around ~15/20 U$.

The latest post's in this tread is about Mjoy16 PCB:

http://www.x-simulator.de/foru...oystick-t726-90.html (http://www.x-simulator.de/forum/mjoy16-usb-avr-joystick-t726-90.html)

These above is the most recent tread in English about Mjoy16 - others are in Russian.

Files for Mjoy16:
http://www.powernet.pl/~krzysi...ka/mjoy16/mjoy16.htm (http://www.powernet.pl/%7Ekrzysiek/elektronika/mjoy16/mjoy16.htm)
You can use one of revised PCB posted in X-Sim forum to assemble.

Sokol1

FlyingColander
09-02-2009, 11:14 AM
I was wondering if any one can help with my CH gameport pedals to Leo Bodnar USB board?

I have just finished wiring my pedals using this schema:

http://img167.imageshack.us/i/chpedalxbu0836jpg.jpg/

I have have XY movement from the main rudder pot but no response from the toe brakes. The standard Windows game controller calibrator gets no response in the Z axe.

I double checked my wiring pattern and checked continuity for any cold solder joints. Everything cleared.

Any ideas to recover my toe brakes?

Flying Colander

Sokol__1
09-02-2009, 01:08 PM
FlyingColander

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have have XY movement </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strange when you say that have X Y movement in main rudder.

The correctly for rudder is only one movement, in X or Y or Z...

Seems that you have two axis working.

The schema is correct, Blue is GND, RED is +5V,
go to external pins in pot's.
Violet is Axis X, Dark Green Axis Y, Brown Axis Z, each go to one pot center pin.

Try use another inputs - the center pins - in BU:

1-X axis
2-Y axis
3-Z axis
4-X rotation
5-Y rotation
6-Z rotation
7-Slider
8-Dial

Sokol1

FlyingColander
09-03-2009, 05:20 AM
Sokol, to the rescue, again. Thanks for your pointers. I fiddled with the pots and discovered that you cannot just slide on the five tooth gear onto the pot shaft and return it to the cradle inside the pedal.

The pot has a very narrow arc in which it reacts to turning. You have to experiment with the calibrator on to see when the input picks up the rotation.

Now I have three axes showing up in the graphical calibration tool but when I rotate the rudder pot one of the toe brakes moves up and down too.

Any ideas for this ghost in the machine?

Flying Colander

NuMcA_of_CS
09-03-2009, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Now I have three axes showing up in the graphical calibration tool but when I rotate the rudder pot one of the toe brakes moves up and down too.

Any ideas for this ghost in the machine? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It looks like you have connected some of these pots in-series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits#Series_circuits) . Be sure that the input of every pot is directly from the controller. Also check if there is any undesired connection between the input cables of the pots.

julian265
09-03-2009, 07:11 AM
^ The power to the pots is in parallel (which is fine), and the signals are separate (also fine).

NuMcA_of_CS
09-03-2009, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by julian265:
^ The power to the pots is in parallel (which is fine), and the signals are separate (also fine). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IT is DEFINITELY fine on the schematic, but is it so in his construction? Maybe a short-circuit in the soldering points of the connectors to the controller? I am just thinking out loud..

FlyingColander
09-03-2009, 10:24 AM
Hey guys. Thanks for the help. I guess the soldering fumes were getting to me. I had shrink wrapped a wire coming off the rudder output without soldering it. The connection passed the multimeter test but not the simple wiggle test. Got all sorts of ugly spiking on the calibration graph when I did that. Soldering it properly took care of everything.

Thanks for your patience everyone.

Flying Colander

(NUMCA, by the way, incredible work on your table top console you did for yourself and its big brother for Superjew. Hats off.)

NuMcA_of_CS
09-03-2009, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Flying Colander </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif Thank you!

ibeagle
09-04-2009, 06:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
Previous Designs

I have been trying to create my own controls for some time. I started by modding an old PSU, adding levers and controlling them with Leo Bodnar's BU0836 (http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html). The outcome was this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/throttles_READY.jpg
It was very fun to play with and very immersive, but since i do not have space for a proper arm-rest i suffered from tendon-fatigue http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif . So i my next step was to build something as flat as possible, a bit less "cockpit oriented" and more "desktop oriented".


Flight Console v2

I started designing it in AUTOCAD in order to see in 3d how it would function. After investing about 30 hours in designing i felt that it should be done right and searched for a laser cutter to make the plans real. After a small search, i found LaserMark Ltd (http://www.lasermark.gr/eidikes%20kataskeyes_n.htm) in my town. It is a company that engraves guns, airplane and tank panels for the Greek Armed Force:
http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/JSC2000E10522_pr.jpg (http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/jet%20cockpit.jpg) http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-uspthump.JPG (http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-usp45c.jpg). Here is a video of engraving of jet airplanes on an aluminum plate: Lasermark@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5SojX0qGLk&feature=related).

I used plexiglas for the construction, because it was easy to find and easy to glue if needed. I used white plexi for the "face" of the console and black for the main body. I covered the white plexi with black self-adhesive vinyl film (http://www.allproducts.com/plastic/itemplast/23-adhesivevinyl.jpg) and then engraved the letters and cut the holes so as to be able to backlight the panel. I used 120 led-strip (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSC08425.jpg) for light For controls i used once again the much-appreciated BU0836. This is the outcome:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016-1.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1016.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1031.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1031.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1020.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1020.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1029.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1029.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1030.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1030.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1022.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1022.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1025.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1025.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0987.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0987.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0983.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0983.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_Picture097-1.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/Picture097-1.jpg)

Custom solution for head-tracking:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/th_DSCF0911.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/DSCF0911.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1019.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1019.jpg)

More photos in my photo-album: Console@Photobucket (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/?albumview=grid)

Videos in Youtube of console: <UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> Analog Mixture Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVbocQsNEY)
<LI> Demonstration flight (with real sound) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ4bmXHg69g)
[/list]

PS: The letters look a bit blurry, because i was supposed to peel off the remaining vinyl after the stencil-cut. But i didn't since i am too afraid that i will spoil it. See the detail on "C" of "pit-C-h":
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1028.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1028.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1027.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1027.jpg) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice unit, I'm curious where you got the spherical red grey and black knobs from.

NuMcA_of_CS
09-04-2009, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Nice unit, I'm curious where you got the spherical red grey and black knobs from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FROM my closet's door! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif Look in hardware stores for them.. Maybe PRAKTIKER..? Cost in Greece ~4Euros..

FlyingColander
09-25-2009, 09:57 AM
Wanted to share a link with those thinking of building a simpit. This one is cabinet style. You can download the PDF here:

http://www.0-60mag.com/needforspeedshift/

Post your work. This thread needs some new blood.

Cheers,

Flying Colander

Sokol__1
09-25-2009, 05:14 PM
Answer to Bigglesnow:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I've opened up my old Usb joystick and the 3 axis seem to have similar components. the throttle obviously moves back and forth and the X and Y have a spring features. my question before i ruin a functional backup joystick is would i be able to have all three working as the basic back and forth Z axis if i get rid of the plastic spring setup. If anyone has any experience or idea that would be most helpfull. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, your stick is fine to make a throttle, when you remove springs, X and Y axis work like Z axis.

Unfortunately mixture in IL-2 can't assigned to axis.
But you can simulate a axis to this with momentary toggle switch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?g...&hl=es&v=qtb-MpTFWo8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=qtb-MpTFWo8)

http://nsm02.casimages.com/img...3416756564066543.jpg (http://nsm02.casimages.com/img/2009/07/14/090714023416756564066543.jpg)

Or buy one these rotary switch:
http://de.mouser.com/Search/Pr...ow%2fQJ%252b%2fmI%3d (http://de.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvNbjZ2WlReYnqYHrQf uERsWCow%2fQJ%252b%2fmI%3d)

Sokol1

DD_crash
09-26-2009, 09:43 AM
Has anyone grafted an X52 handle onto another joystick? Was it hard? I have a FFB Guillimot spare and was thinking of doing that instead of an X65.

FoolTrottel
09-26-2009, 09:54 AM
I've put a Guillemot's grip onto an MS FFB2 body.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/06GuillemotHandleReadyOpenView.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/05aGuillemotsBoardDisconnectedDiode.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/MSGuillemot.jpg

It's do-able, lots of fiddlin' and solderin' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

If you want to put the X52's handle on the Guillemot, you will have a big challenge: You'll need to put the complete electronics of the X52 somewhere inside the Guillemot's base. You have to keep all of the Guillemots electronics, otherwise you'd loose the FFB. In tthe end you will have two controllers in Control Panel, both the Guillemot and the X52.

As the X52's handle has way more switches than the Guillemot's, you cannot simply rewire the buttons like I did.

NuMcA_of_CS
09-26-2009, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">FoolTrottel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Canibalism at its best!! B I G respect! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

mmitch10
09-26-2009, 12:33 PM
Nice work, FoolTrottel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DD_crash
09-27-2009, 02:21 AM
What I planned to do was keep the X52 unit and extend the wires to link the new handle on the Guillimot to the X52 base unit, A German guy had a site called Left Field or something and he had fitted a CH handle to a Sidewinder and was going to sell kits to extend sticks and stuff. The site is now deadhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Big thinks are now in order.
Nice job FT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

FoolTrottel
09-27-2009, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">keep the X52 unit and extend the wires to link the new handle on the Guillimot to the X52 base unit </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sounds like a good plan to me.

jortiz8
09-28-2009, 01:42 PM
Hello IL2 community. Just recently joined and I was wondering if anybody can share their success in extending a CH Fighterstick,or any stick for that matter, for use in a IL2FB simpit? I recently put together a FW190 pit and I would like to imitate the KG13 stick. Thank you so much for taking valuable time to answer.

mmitch10
09-28-2009, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jortiz8:
Hello IL2 community. Just recently joined and I was wondering if anybody can share their success in extending a CH Fighterstick,or any stick for that matter, for use in a IL2FB simpit? I recently put together a FW190 pit and I would like to imitate the KG13 stick. Thank you so much for taking valuable time to answer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not something I've done myself, but it's something I'm thinking of doing to fill the dark winter nights coming up. This guide is pretty good http://www.flightsim.com/main/howto/joystick.htm

jortiz8
09-28-2009, 02:16 PM
Thanks so much for the link mmitch10.

julian265
09-28-2009, 05:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmitch10:
It's not something I've done myself, but it's something I'm thinking of doing to fill the dark winter nights coming up. This guide is pretty good http://www.flightsim.com/main/howto/joystick.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That cone looks like it'd have some pretty bad slack around center position.

Sokol__1
09-28-2009, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">http://www.flightsim.com/main/howto/joystick.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO - Bad approach in this link, maybe work for Flight Simulator, but to IL-2 combat, I doubt.
To do this to long, better made a new gimbal system like Julian U-Joint, or one describe in Mike Powel book BRFS sample:
http://www.mikesflightdeck.com/upcoming_book.htm

To extend commercial joystick, is better don't go below the chair level.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=97687&d=1250534376 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=97687&d=1250534376)

http://spread-wings.ru/phorum/...ch&type=post&id=8825 (http://spread-wings.ru/phorum/index.php?s=ccfc8b824d94b14bb127ab60bb79f8fd&act=attach&type=post&id=8825)

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/att...d=96954&d=1249190882 (http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=96954&d=1249190882)

Sample that work:
http://i799.photobucket.com/al...ver67/Picture026.jpg (http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/yy279/Jiver67/Picture026.jpg)

Sample of that don't work:
http://eecherrors.homestead.com/finish.jpg

From: http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthre...Pit.html#Post2863848 (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2863848/My_SimPit.html#Post2863848)

In the first part of this tread are another good examples. But seems that files are lost...

Sokol1

jortiz8
09-28-2009, 07:42 PM
Thanks Sokol for the great links. I have been wrestling with the idea of extending my CH Flightstick for quite some time. My concern is how much control will be lost by extending. From reading the forums it seems quite minimal if it's done properly. I wish the first part to this subject was still available. In any case the search for more knowledge continues. A lot of talented people on this site. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with others. It is what inspires greater things.

NuMcA_of_CS
09-29-2009, 02:17 AM
I wish that the lost of "Sim Pit Builder/Stick Modder Thread - Part 1" is just temporary! There was a handful of very helpful things in there! IT WAS A <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">TREASURE BOX</span>! Moderators, any news on this? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

bolox00
10-05-2009, 02:06 AM
well it's not totally lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://web.archive.org/web/200...655/m/3821084134/p/1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20070301114458/http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134/p/1)

but can we PLEASE have it restored- to loose this collective knowledge base would be almost criminal

NuMcA_of_CS
10-07-2009, 12:18 PM
I have just finished the 3rd upgrade to my pedals.
I modded my X52 throttle to use external trim pot for elevator trim, using a trim wheel. The trim wheel is glued on the X52, but connected on the pedals' controller.

Pedals:
I used pneumatic rods as centering mechanism, so it is much more power full.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107017.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107003.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107003.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107008.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107008.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107001.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107001.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107019.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107019.jpg)


Trim Wheel:
I used some LEGO gear and a large LEGO MOTOX wheel (81mm~4") to do it.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107034.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107009.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107009.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107011.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107011.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107013.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107013.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107021.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107032.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107032.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107034.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107034.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/th_2009107029.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/2009107029.jpg)

mmitch10
10-07-2009, 01:23 PM
Great work, NuMcA. I like the look of the trim wheel. Is that a 270° turn pot? You could replace it with a 10-turn pot and remove the gearing altogether, it should give you more control.

FoolTrottel
10-07-2009, 01:23 PM
That use of Lego is cool!

NuMcA_of_CS
10-07-2009, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You could replace it with a 10-turn pot and remove the gearing altogether, it should give you more control. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately there are not any 330K multiturn pots in the market.. Only custom-made which means BIIIIIG money.. That is why i used 270° turn. I need 330K because that is how have my controller programmed to work with. It is a 8-bit ADC controller. I get 1 position every 3.51°.

mmitch10
10-07-2009, 01:36 PM
330k? So is it hooked up to the throttle instead of the BU086?

Edit: I've just re-read your post and realise that it is connected to the X52. That's a great hack! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
10-07-2009, 01:46 PM
It is hooked on the pedals, which have a half-chinese, half-NuMcish controller (hacked USB to gameport controller)..

Edit: changed the previous post to clarify it, my bad.

Finnish_Mik
10-08-2009, 01:46 PM
Hello Jortiz,

have you got any pictures or plans how you built your simpit? I'm half-way through a simple build and would like to know more.

Kind Regards

FM

jortiz8
10-08-2009, 07:54 PM
Hi Numca. How are those new rudder pedals working out for you? Great design.Thank you for sharing.

jortiz8
10-08-2009, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Finnish_Mik:
Hello Jortiz,

have you got any pictures or plans how you built your simpit? I'm half-way through a simple build and would like to know more.

Kind Regards

FM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Finnish_Mik.

I will post pics shortly. I haven't yet because it's not painted. It is just the shell and I am trying to work my way with this prototype. I decided to get all my measurements from a Hasegawa 1/32nd scale model. I know it's not the most accurate way but for now the simpit looks the part. I used a 1/32nd scale steel ruler and with some magnifying lenses I measured the whole tub and drew it out to 3"=1' scale. The only drawback is the thickness of the plastic is 1/32 of an inch.Which means the the full scale equals one inch. NOT GOOD. Check this link out.


http://www.checksix-forums.com...54ac9aaa658&t=121928 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?s=5251d68499fd47ea4638054ac9aaa658&t=121928)

NuMcA_of_CS
10-09-2009, 02:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jortiz8:
Hi Numca. How are those new rudder pedals working out for you? Great design.Thank you for sharing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They work just fine! The brakes sensation is outstanding with the small pneumatic rods!! The rudder feeling is firm and solid, but i do not know how accurate it is with real life aircrafts, because i have never put my feet on the rudders while in a cockpit (too young to think of it!). But they feel rock steady, with very good centering characteristics. Fast and sturdy.
100N of force on each pneumatic rod on the rudder,
30N of force on each brake rod.

What is will change in the next upgrade:
<LI> Use of "Lazy Susan" bearings (http://www.americanwoodcrafterssupply.com/wood-crafts-accessories/images/LS3.jpg) instead of bearings (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Pedals/Pedals031.jpg) (the bearings "eat" the metal they sit on)
<LI> Use some kind of more real-aircraft-like rudder-trim wheel mounted on top of them.
<LI> Forcefeedback on them (probably only shake though)

DD_crash
10-09-2009, 03:45 AM
Due to Saiteks latest decision (X65) I am wondering about the FFB software for the Guillemot FFB stick. Will there be an issue using it with Windows 7, as I plan to use that on the next build (going 64 bit to use more RAM)

FoolTrottel
10-09-2009, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will there be an issue using it with Windows 7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you can load its driver, but Windows 7 will not add the Stick to its list of Game Controllers, and so it's completely unusable...

DD_crash
10-09-2009, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will there be an issue using it with Windows 7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, you can load its driver, but Windows 7 will not add the Stick to its list of Game Controllers, and so it's completely unusable... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Looks like I will have to buy the Logi then. Thanks for the info FT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I was sort of looking forward to the hack but if its not going to work with Win7 then thats it.

jortiz8
10-09-2009, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jortiz8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Finnish_Mik:
Hello Jortiz,

have you got any pictures or plans how you built your simpit? I'm half-way through a simple build and would like to know more.

Kind Regards

FM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


As promised here are some pics of my simpit.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0631.jpg






[img]http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0637.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0620.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0635.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0632.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/jortiz8_bucket/FW%20190%20Simpit/DSCN0634.jpg


Enjoy. Any feedback welcomed.

NuMcA_of_CS
10-10-2009, 02:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">jortiz8 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Great job mate! Nice craftsmanship! Are you going to paint it in any specific skin?

jortiz8
10-10-2009, 09:46 AM
Thank you Numca. Answer to your question is yes. I will be painting it typical Luftwaffe factory color scheme of RLM 66 in the tub, RLM 76, and RLM 74 on the sides. I will have Lowe's match my samples. I am not happy with the current configuration. In the nearby future I would like to tackle putting together Fw 190 rudder pedals and throtle. Interfacing will be my challenge. I hope this community of talented people will be to help me throught it. Thanks again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DVDF-Flashman
10-15-2009, 05:32 AM
Just thought Id add my 'simpit' here. I havent the space for a full pit and also use my computer for work so i needed something that could be moved. I decided to construct a left hand console system. It concentrates most controls to the left hand side so is a little larger than a real fighter pit (the throttle is further away from me than Id like).

It incorporates a Saitek Throttle Quadrant (which also clapms the desk bound switch box). Here is a photo....'scuse mess in background, im a slob! This is th Flashman Console Mk3!

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6931/picture103a.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/picture103a.jpg/)

Not shown is my chair. This is a small chair and fits right next to the console. This puts the elevator trim wheel just a little behind and below my left hip

I used Leo Bodnars BU0836X card for this. I would recommend the X version as you can simply connect your switches into it. On the BU0836 version you have to construct a matrix board to get all the switches to operate. I did this on an earlier system and found it to be a constant source of trouble! Out of shot are my Saitek pedals and MS FF2 stick.

This is designed also to be used for FSX. As anyone who has made a pit for both will tell you the switching system is different for each game..grr! IL2 uses purely toggle switches, i.e. each press turns something on then off. As I am using two position switches this doesnt work as you flick the switch up, system operate (i.e. nav lights on) flick switch down and nothing happens, to turn off nav lights you have to flick it up again! not very realistic (this is how my previous efforts worked). For this one what I have done is used a two pole switch and wired both poles together. This means that when thrown in eiother direction the switches operate the command. However this is not how FSX works... so to get around that I introduced a further switch into the mix, one that opens the connection accross the two poles. Then the switches operate normally, i.e. only operate in the up position. A few are hidden away but some of these switches are fixed to the front of the electrical switch box that sits to the rear of the throttle. The black knobs represent circuit breakers (this is loosely....I say loosely based on a P47 cockpit) but do the mode switching between FSX and IL2.

The pit is constructed of a Plywood frame (I would use MDF if I did this again) which was constructed for an earlier project and adapted for this. Attached to the plywood frame are a number of 'modules'. Each of these modules generally have a different function. These modules are constrcuted from Plastic project boxes available from electrical stores (I got mine from Maplin here in the UK, though Maplin is horribly expensive and I do NOT recommend buying switches from them. However as least I could stand in the shop and compare/ fondle the boxes to get a feel for them. Also my nearest Maplin is 5 misn walk away! I bought most of my switches from these guys http://www.rapidonline.com/)

The Plastic project boxes have a number of advantages. The system can be built in stages and you can play about with the setup and positioning. Also being plastic there where easy to drill with my limited tools. I was originally going to fitt the switches directly to the plywood box, but think this works a lot better.

The systems are as follows: Lower rear: Trim, 3 trim wheels using axes. In front of trim on lower edge is a basic systems box. YThis has controls such as chocks, drop tanks, tailwheel lock and dive brakes. On the sloping vertical part (to the left of where my left knee would be) there are three control boxes.

The largest is the undercarraige control. You will see this has a large lever (with white knobs on, Up-neutral-down, shown in neutral position) ) and a number of switches. This actually incorporates 4 of the BU0836X buttons. Now IL2 only needs one for undercarraige up/down however I decided to make this so that the undercarraige lever can also be used as a pump for the manual undercarraige for some planes. To do this i did a bit of cunning wiring inside the box so that when you flick the switch at the bottom to the right, you are in manual mode. Now select gear up or down with the switch to top left and then pump the gear lever up and down and it operates the hand pump undercarraige. (the other switch is an IL2/FSX mode switch). Flick the switch at the bottom to the left and then the lever just operates the undercarriage as you would expect.

The box to the right of the undecart system is used fuel selection in FSX, but in IL2 I have an engine selector (selects engines 1-4 individually) and a big red bail out switch! The big red switch is a heavy duty isolator switch, I just though it would go nice in the pit!

The box above the previous two and to the right of the throttle is the weapons control panel. This uses 4 of the BU0836Xs buttons and is used to control the external ordinance. The rotary switch selects gunpods-rockets-bombs and then these are fired (or for gunpods turned off and on) by pressing the round black pushbutton to top right of box (the red push button is a mode switch again). Under the red cover is the bomb bay doors control. With this system you can only fire bombs OR rockets at a time and if you forget to switch mode nothing will fire! Took a little getting used to! Note: The weapons control panel does not operate in FSX mode.

On the upper level of the plywood box is the electrical switch panel. This has controls such as lights, prop control, canopy and seat position etc. Again this was more designed with FSX in mind(most of the labels on this box dont correspond to IL2 controls!). Some of the switches dont operate in IL2 mode as their share of the BU0836Xs controls is taken by the weapons panel in IL2 mode.

To the left of the throttle is a small box with a lever. This operates the supercharger control. It runs on a potentiameter as an axis for FSX but for IL2 there is simply a microswitch at the top and bottom travel to select supercharger mode. On the throttle itself I have installed the large lever than comes with the saitek throttle on the throttle postion, this has a small switch embedded in to so i can operate the WEP with my hand on the throttle. I also use the switches on the throttle to operate the cowl flaps in IL2. Note you can use the saitek programming software to make one of the axis (with red knob on) operate the mixture control.

The final box is mounted on the desk. This is fixe to a board which is clamped to the desk by the saitek throttle quadrant. This has engine start (under red cover), fire extinguisher and engine select rotary switch (this one does engine left-all engines-engines right). Also it has two extra switches with guards. This is the mode switch to arm the rockets and bombs. In reality when switches are up, the weapons panel switches work, when these switches are down extra switches on the electrical panel work (FSX mode basically)

I used all 36 sontrols available on the BU0836X card along with 4 axes. All thats missing is a flaps lever...I somehow forgot it when making this!

Anyhoo I d thought Id share my effort with you.

julian265
10-15-2009, 06:51 AM
Nice work Flashman! I like the modular design. My throttle/arm rest hasn't grown any levers yet, it's just 5 knobs and two hats, and 10 switches from a volvo's electric mirror/window control. Levers are my next step... Proper support for multiple throttles will definitely be an incentive.

Re the button matrix, on my 0836 I ran one wire from each row and column, and at the end of each of these wires, inside each device, soldered on more wires to go to each relevant button (ie, forked).

How recently did you buy from Leo?

AK_Mongo
10-15-2009, 12:02 PM
Great work Flashman!

mmitch10
10-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Flashman, that's great work, a fantastic half-way house between a desktop controller (like mine) and a full simpit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

jortiz8
10-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Flashman, very nice setup. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sokol__1
10-15-2009, 05:44 PM
Jortiz8,

Take a look: http://www.checksix-forums.com...php?t=154744&page=13 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=154744&page=13)

Sokol1

jortiz8
10-16-2009, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Jortiz8,

Take a look: http://www.checksix-forums.com...php?t=154744&page=13 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=154744&page=13)

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Sokol. Yes I wish I had seen this website before I started my simpit. I found it shortly after the build. But I knew from the beginning that taking dimensions from a model would likely yield inaccurate dimensions. So, with that said I have acquired a cd with 190 blueprints from ebay. I will also consult with the wonderful talent at Check-six forum and between the two I should be pretty close to my goal.
I will use my knowledge from this build and use it to build another one with more accurate dimensions. My goal was to have an accurate replica of an Fw190 and have instruments and gauges working with the sim. Thank you so much for pointing the link to me. I appreciate all the input from this forum.

Finnish_Mik
10-18-2009, 02:07 PM
Wow,

it's perfect! I feel very humble.

My build is just a box to sit in at the moment, nothing like yours.

Do you have any drawings? I have sent you a pm.

Kind Regards

FM

NuMcA_of_CS
10-18-2009, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Flashman </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
NICE!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

jortiz8
10-18-2009, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Finnish_Mik:
Wow,

it's perfect! I feel very humble.

My build is just a box to sit in at the moment, nothing like yours.

Do you have any drawings? I have sent you a pm.

Kind Regards

FM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thank you Finnish_Mik for your kind words. I am originally from Puerto Rico but living in Florida. I guess you could say that my ancestors are from Spain. Have you taken a look at the link above in the last post? Pierre has taken the time to post measurements of the Fw190 he was working on. You could take these measurements and have someone fabricate for you the panels because it is very thorough. Take a look at the two links below. The other gentleman has posted his contruction sequence. Let me know if that will work for you. If not I can send you the measurements I got. It will take me some time to put it together.


http://www.checksix-forums.com...54ac9aaa658&t=121928 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?s=5251d68499fd47ea4638054ac9aaa658&t=121928)


http://www.checksix-forums.com...php?t=154744&page=13 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=154744&page=13)

jortiz8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Finnish_Mik
10-19-2009, 12:24 PM
Thank you Jortiz,

I have seen the check-six forums and was very impressed with the build there. I am afraid I won't be able to build anything that complex myself, I don't have the know-how. I was hoping your design would be simpler to fabricate and assemble.

I am now thinking of taking the check-six drawings to a professional joinery shop and have them cut all the wood parts for me - the only work I would do would be assembly, sanding, filling, sanding, finishing, more sanding, painting and integration of electronics.

It's a big project, not a quick project - it's worth doing well and spending some money on quality work and parts, I suppose. I do intend to spend a lot of time in it when it's finished. No quick way to happiness.

Thanks for your offer of help - you are very kind and talented.

There are some super builds on these forums!

FM

na85
10-26-2009, 12:16 AM
Hi guys.

I'm modding my Logitech X3D pro. Basically I took a 10k linear potentiometer, mounted it on the stick base, and then connected that to the input that normally handles the twisty function (since I have pedals I have no need for the twist axis).

The problem is that in the XP Game Controllers window the axis response doesn't seem to be linear. Parts of the rotation seem to give greater changes on the axis display than others.

The other problem is that if I don't center the pot when plugging the stick in, I can't use the full range. I.e. if the pot is all the way in one direction when I plug it in, then the computer thinks that that position is the "middle" of the axis. Hope that makes sense.

Is there a way to fix either of these problems?

M_Gunz
10-26-2009, 05:01 AM
I'm modding my Logitech X3D pro. Basically I took a 10k linear potentiometer, mounted it on the stick base, and then connected that to the input that normally handles the twisty function (since I have pedals I have no need for the twist axis).

The problem is that in the XP Game Controllers window the axis response doesn't seem to be linear. Parts of the rotation seem to give greater changes on the axis display than others.

Might be due to what you hooked the pot to correcting for something in the original stick?

Things to look at would be hook a meter to your pot and check for linear resistance and then if the original
sensor is still in the stick see how that varies with twist.

If you have a soundcard with gameport then you can run 4 axes and 4 buttons through that with 8-bit resolution.

geneb
10-26-2009, 07:50 AM
Another thing you might want to check is the "taper" of the pot. It sounds like you've got an Audio Taper pot on your hands instead of a Linear Taper pot.

Here's how to identify which kind you've got:
"The way to identify an audio taper pot is to set it to half rotation and measure from center to each end with an ohmmeter. If the resistances are approximately equal you have a linear pot. If the resistance from the counter clockwise end to center is about 10% of the total and the resistance from the clockwise end to the center is about 90% then you are holding an audio taper pot." - from http://www.angelfire.com/elect...ubes/Amp-Volume.html (http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Amp-Volume.html)

An audio taper pot won't work out really well when used in a linear control situation as you've seen (if in fact that's what you've got)

g.

na85
10-26-2009, 11:13 AM
No it's definitely a linear pot

M_Gunz
10-26-2009, 12:34 PM
Then what does Logitech use for their twist sensor that you've replaced?

na85
10-26-2009, 02:19 PM
Unsure, I couldn't find a serial number on it that I could look up.

It's a small pot that only gives a resistance for a very short range of motion. Outside of that range it just gives an open circuit.

http://il2.na85.ca/img/twistpot.jpg

A grab from my digital camera

squareusr
10-26-2009, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by na85:
I.e. if the pot is all the way in one direction when I plug it in, then the computer thinks that that position is the "middle" of the axis. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get used to it or add a switch to comfortably "unplug" the device whenever you forgot to center. Personally, i went the way of option one with my logi-box, before i could be bothered to try option two. Now i rarely forget to set prop pitch to neutral when virtually stepping out of the plane.

M_Gunz
10-26-2009, 04:17 PM
na85, if it's for trim then set up a key to neutralize that trim axis, center the pot and hit the key.

na85
10-26-2009, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
na85, if it's for trim then set up a key to neutralize that trim axis, center the pot and hit the key. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice. I'll do that, thanks.

squareusr
10-26-2009, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
na85, if it's for trim then set up a key to neutralize that trim axis, center the pot and hit the key. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That won't help, the joystick controller itself will think that "physically 100%" is 50% (if the pot is at maximum when plugging in) and keep to this delusion until physically reset.

I recently made a few tests (*) with the "trim neutralize" key btw. and i had to conclude that it works different than you describe: it sets the trim to center, but when the next joystick input comes on the trim axis it will simply jump back to joystick position, completely ignoring any information about "desired center position" it might have retrieved from the neutralize keypress. So it really only makes sense for people who use increment/decrement for trim instead of an axis. Or are there two different "neutralize" keys per axis?

(* test goes like this: move trim axis far off center, press neutralize, watch the control surface glide back to neutral, then move trim axis a little closer to the actual center, watch the control surface return to roughly where it was before "neutralize". If IL2 would internally recalibrate the trim axis to consider the current position as the new center then the movement of the control surface would be in the opposite direction)

NuMcA_of_CS
11-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Original post here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...091036108#4091036108 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/4091036108?r=4091036108#4091036108)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
I am creating a PCB board for my Flight Console "ICARUS ONE" (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=8271062247#8271062247) and i have been a whole week without it! I could not take no more without IL2, so i started using my old MiniStick (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/6401062866?r=3101025937#3101025937).. But shown i felt it was not good enough.. So, i did a brand new PCB (it's PCB-age for me now) and hooked up a BU0836 to it, directly on board. I also added 2 new high precision joystick-potentiometers and some more buttons.
Now it features 8 axis:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI> Aileron
<LI> Elevator
<LI> Rudder
<LI> Right Engine throttle
<LI> Left Engine throttle
<LI> Prop.pitch
<LI> Flaps
<LI> Brakes
[/list]
..and 12 buttons, with integrated software-controlled trim on all axis.

Here are some pictures:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick056.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick031.jpg

Click on the thumbnails to see larger pictures

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick036.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick036.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick034.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick034.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick032.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick032.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick025.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick025.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick040.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick040.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick024.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick024.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick052.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick052.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick052.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick052.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick054.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick054.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick022.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick022.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick008.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick008.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick013.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick013.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick015.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick015.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick018.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick018.jpg) http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/th_Ministick027.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick027.jpg)


more pictures here:
http://s202.photobucket.com/al...MiniSTICK/?start=all (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/?start=all)

And much more in my blog: http://miskatonic-tech.blogspot.com/
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

mmitch10
11-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Talk about compact! Great job, you've just invented the "travel" HOTAS!
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
11-04-2009, 01:25 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!
THX, i have started flying with this and i figured out this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick053-1.jpg
I CAN EVEN USE IT ON MY LAPS!! great when traveling long distances by bus! (My hometown is 7hours away). First test-drive in Xmas holidays! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

mmitch10
11-04-2009, 03:28 PM
Is that a second mini stick on the front of the box? At first I thought it was jsut a large switch, but now I guess it must be a mini stick if you're using all 8 of the BU086 axes. What is it used for? Rudder (L-R) and brakes (Up-down)?

Seven hours of solid flying? I almost envy you that bus trip!

NuMcA_of_CS
11-04-2009, 04:03 PM
Yes it is Rudder and Brakes!

Explanation photo is comming first thing tomorrow morning!

M_Gunz
11-04-2009, 04:12 PM
I see one pedal down by the floor, the red stick is your pitch and roll axes, the one you fly with?

NuMcA_of_CS
11-04-2009, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I see one pedal down by the floor, the red stick is your pitch and roll axes, the one you fly with? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, the floor pedal is part of my "home"-simpit:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/29082009016.jpg

More on pedals here: Pedals v1.3 (http://miskatonic-tech.blogspot.com/2009/10/pedals-upgrade-v13.html)

The MiniStick is my "mobile-simpit"..I use it when i am on travel, on my EEE PC laptop.. HOW NERDY IS THAT???

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/Ministick025.jpg

squareusr
11-05-2009, 01:18 PM
IL2 running on a EEE?

Talk about testing out the extremes of the performance band!

(i've used it on an old laptop too, but that was on an acutal pentium-M which would still be twice as fast as an atom if it was clocked that low)

NuMcA_of_CS
11-05-2009, 01:28 PM
ATOM??? No way mate! I am on CELERON! Overclocked at ~1033MHz, but normally using it at 900MHz..

All hail to Celeron generation! 5years and the saga continues!

UgoRipley
11-06-2009, 05:18 AM
NuMcA_of_CS = GENIUS !!

NuMcA_of_CS
11-06-2009, 05:51 AM
Thank you UgoRipley http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif ,
but i would be a genius if i could just find the money to get a Private Pilot's License!
Thank you for your kind words!

NuMcA_of_CS
11-06-2009, 07:58 AM
Here is the explanation photo! This is how the MiniStick works...
<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> 8 axis
<LI> 12 buttons
[/list]
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/MiniSTICK/expl.jpg

UgoRipley
11-07-2009, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
...if i could just find the money to get a Private Pilot's License... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you should regularly start building your beautiful consoles for other fellow simpilots missing your skills...(hint)

NuMcA_of_CS
11-07-2009, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">(hint) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Point taken! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Already building a printed circuit board and custom backlight to save almost 50 hours of work.. thus cutting down the cost..

julian265
12-08-2009, 07:26 PM
For anyone wondering about Leo Bodnar's BU0836 (whilst he doesn't answer emails or visit his forum much) I ordered two BU0836A on 25/11/2009, and received them (including UK-&gt;AU postage) on 09/12/2009. All good!

I thought I'd get ready for win7, go 12bit, and add a few throttle/pitch levers to my arm rest.

NuMcA_of_CS
12-08-2009, 11:56 PM
Yes, Leo's supply has been constant, unlike his email's response!

Looking forward for pictures of your updated armrest!

m_gansler
12-09-2009, 06:24 AM
Does anyone know of a good tool to calibrate analog axes on the BU0386? Using the control panel that comes up under windows only allows calibration of the center point and does not do the conventional "move the axes to the upper and lower limits" to learn the "scale" or "gain". Using the additional tool on Leo's site only does a "Normal" or "Zoom" which isn't hepling much either.

Sokol__1
12-09-2009, 06:52 AM
DView = http://leobodnar.com/products/BU0836/DIView.zip

DXTweak2
32 bits = http://www.wingmanteam.com/fil...ak2/x86/DXTweak2.exe (http://www.wingmanteam.com/files/Tools/DXTweak2/x86/DXTweak2.exe)

64 bits = http://www.wingmanteam.com/fil...ak2/x64/DXTweak2.exe (http://www.wingmanteam.com/files/Tools/DXTweak2/x64/DXTweak2.exe)

Sokol1

NuMcA_of_CS
12-09-2009, 07:14 AM
Sokol FOR THE WIN!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

m_gansler
12-09-2009, 12:12 PM
Awesome. That tool is exactly what I needed. Works great. Thanks!

julian265
12-14-2009, 04:15 AM
No new levers yet, but I now have two BU0836A's in a box... this time I wanted all components to be easily removable.
As with my last box, all digital and analog inputs are duplicated on two sockets per board. The electronics shop didn't have enough sockets when I was there though... So only one board is connected for now, but the other one will be easy enough to connect when the time comes to add eight levers!

http://www.jpfiles.com/hardware/bu0836_box2.jpg

Sokol__1
12-19-2009, 09:04 AM
This "propeller HOTAS" seem mode adequate for IL-2 than these F-somenthig throttles in joystick HOTAS:

http://www.infinityaerospace.c...mbnails/FrameSet.htm (http://www.infinityaerospace.com/HOT_Thumbnails/FrameSet.htm)
http://www.infinityaerospace.c...mbnails/FrameSet.htm (http://www.infinityaerospace.com/HOT_Installed_Thumbnails/FrameSet.htm)
http://www.infinityaerospace.com/GRIP-ORTHOS.pdf
http://www.infinityaerospace.com/3-ISOS.pdf

Sokol1

Sokol__1
12-20-2009, 06:02 AM
This 1:1 kit is for display and don't have functional buttons...
But resin is strong to "heavy use"?

http://hyperscale.com/images/controlstickbg_1.jpg
http://hyperscale.com/2009/rev...ombf109stickbg_1.htm (http://hyperscale.com/2009/reviews/kits/tailboombf109stickbg_1.htm)

65 Euros.

The maker send me email with picture of this kits - to assembly and for display.

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...3-1.jpg?t=1257970663 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5303-1.jpg?t=1257970663)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...300.jpg?t=1257970398 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5300.jpg?t=1257970398)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...4-1.jpg?t=1257970548 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5294-1.jpg?t=1257970548)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...2-2.jpg?t=1257970195 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5372-2.jpg?t=1257970195)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...0-1.jpg?t=1257970257 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5370-1.jpg?t=1257970257)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...a-1.jpg?t=1257970147 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5369copia-1.jpg?t=1257970147)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...377.jpg?t=1257970314 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5377.jpg?t=1257970314)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...8-1.jpg?t=1261156268 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5488-1.jpg?t=1261156268)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...1-1.jpg?t=1261156128 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_5471-1.jpg?t=1261156128)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...801.jpg?t=1261156331 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_2801.jpg?t=1261156331)

http://img.photobucket.com/alb...803.jpg?t=1261156378 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/mausab28/DSC_2803.jpg?t=1261156378)

Copy of original manual for KG 12:
http://www.cockpitinstrumente....lgriff%20KG%2012.pdf (http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/k/Knueppelgriffe/Knueppelgriff%20KG%2012.pdf)

Sokol1

DD_crash
01-02-2010, 06:00 AM
This guy has got talent! (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2930867/D_I_Y_HOTAS.html#Post2930867) Shows what it is possible to achieve http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

redhornet07
01-05-2010, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
This "propeller HOTAS" seem mode adequate for IL-2 than these F-somenthig throttles in joystick HOTAS:

http://www.infinityaerospace.c...mbnails/FrameSet.htm (http://www.infinityaerospace.com/HOT_Thumbnails/FrameSet.htm)
http://www.infinityaerospace.c...mbnails/FrameSet.htm (http://www.infinityaerospace.com/HOT_Installed_Thumbnails/FrameSet.htm)
http://www.infinityaerospace.com/GRIP-ORTHOS.pdf
http://www.infinityaerospace.com/3-ISOS.pdf

Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats cool stuff, but my GAWD is that website awful! Worst navigation I've seen on a website since about 1998, you have to spend hours trying to find stuff.

FI.Spitsfire
01-19-2010, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bolox00:
well it's not totally lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://web.archive.org/web/200...655/m/3821084134/p/1 (http://web.archive.org/web/20070301114458/http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134/p/1)

but can we PLEASE have it restored- to loose this collective knowledge base would be almost criminal </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I'm about to destroy an x45 stick... and turn it into some pedals, any tips? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
01-19-2010, 03:36 AM
No hints from me, but if anything comes up, post here.. I will keep an eye http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GOOD LUCK!!

Sokol__1
01-19-2010, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm about to destroy an x45 stick... and turn it into some pedals, any tips? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


X45 HOTAS (Stick + throttle) use the same USB circuit put inside stick.

To rudder pedal you need 3 axis, use one axis of the roker in throttle for rudder, and X and Y axis of stick to right/left brakes.

Sokol1

FI.Spitsfire
01-19-2010, 08:15 AM
Good idea, I wasn't sure what I was going to do about toe brakes.
Once my replacement joy has arrived I will feel better about ripping apart the x45, but as it is my only means of flying atm I might wait http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FI.Spitsfire
01-29-2010, 11:38 AM
Ok, decided that I would just go for a cheap joystick and use that. I managed to get a brand new 4 axis, 16 button + hat switch for £6, got the wood for free so pedals were about £15 in total.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Spitsfire/IL2/100_0440.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Spitsfire/IL2/100_0439.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Spitsfire/IL2/100_0442.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v487/Spitsfire/IL2/100_0441.jpg

Pedals were built for about £15... Then I spent double that on bloody buttons for the button box !


BTW, am I the only one with 'force vibration' pedals? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FI.Spitsfire
01-29-2010, 11:40 AM
Should mention the switches are 2 way non locking, so 2 'buttons' on each http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stiletto-
01-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Nice craftsmanship I must say, but you seriously don't fly on that monitor do you? That would certainly be a waste!

FI.Spitsfire
01-29-2010, 03:06 PM
Thanks - I fly on the laptop moniter. 17", 1200x800, it's a very good screen for a laptop, I did have a 21" CRT a while ago which trumped it but it was at least 2' deep http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stiletto-
01-29-2010, 05:21 PM
ah I guess it looks smaller than 17" in that pic, not as tiny as your setup in front of it makes it look, but that nice instrument spread would look great with a matching screen! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
01-30-2010, 02:00 AM
Yes man, you are the only one with force vibrating pedals! GREAT ADD ON!!

Sokol__1
06-10-2010, 05:19 PM
P-47 throttle, with "guts" of X-52, by C6 Pat in CheckSix forum:

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7983/006jk.jpg

Button bay, with mode selector:

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3575/095af.jpg

http://www.checksix-forums.com...wthread.php?t=161652 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=161652)
http://www.checksix-forums.com...php?t=156962&page=10 (http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=156962&page=10)


Sokol1

mmitch10
06-16-2010, 06:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Button bay, with mode selector:
Sokol1 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great looking button bay. Why the mode selector? It looks from the cover that you have one mode for FS and one for IL2. Can you use the mode selector to make a button perform different functions in IL2 (like pressing a shift key)?

And as for the throttle quadrant, I'm lost for words... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Bearcat99
06-20-2010, 04:33 PM
I just stripped down an X-52 stick.. They certainly made the process easier in the X-52 than it was in the 45. In the 45 I had to literally rewire a lot of it.. and the solder points on the boards were so close it was hard to resolder anything without messing up something else. The X-52 is made differently.

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/x-52_details_ref.jpg

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/x-52_details_0.jpg

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/X-52_X-Y_sensor_details_0.jpg

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Sensor_2_0.jpg

Taking the stick apart was easy enough..

NuMcA_of_CS
06-21-2010, 12:05 AM
Great infos here Bearcat, THX A LOT! I own a X52, which will probably be rewired with some toggle switches and a longer neck to use "between knees", like a WWII joystick..
Thank you!

DD_crash
07-13-2010, 04:13 AM
Due to the G940 FFB dying, I wondered if I could get the X52 to shake as stall is approached. So I borrowed my sons Saitek rumble pad and attached it to the handle of the X52 stick to see if it worked
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick1-1.jpg
It did work
so I stripped the pad down
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick2-1.jpg
and removed the rumble unit
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick3.jpg
I then cut up the Saitek rudder pedal extension feet as I couldnt find a small container to house the rumble unit
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick4.jpg
I cut the rumble pad housing that held the unit
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick5.jpg
and extended the thin wires using some old speaker cable This was tricky and I didnt get the joypad board to feed the rumble unit at first attempt
I then had to find a housing for the joypad. Luckily it fitted an electrical double socked mounting after elongating a couple of holes in the circuit board of the joypad
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick6.jpg
After a couple of attempts I managed to drill holes in the right place on the blanking plate to allow the use of the 2 mini sticks and 10 buttons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick7.jpg
After securing the wire to the joystick handle I tested it and it worked fine.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/stick8.jpg
Total cost was £8 and now I have18 more buttons (using the SST software) and the stick judders if I leave the u/c down or approach a stall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

p-11.cAce
07-13-2010, 06:18 AM
Love the button bay! I'm in the process of building a simpit with plans from Roger Dodger. I've got the framework done - will post some pics soon.
This is what the finished product will look like:
http://www.rogerdodger.net/images/PACSpromo01.jpg

rfxcasey
07-13-2010, 07:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
Previous Designs

I have been trying to create my own controls for some time. I started by modding an old PSU, adding levers and controlling them with Leo Bodnar's BU0836 (http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/index.html). The outcome was this:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/throttles_READY.jpg
It was very fun to play with and very immersive, but since i do not have space for a proper arm-rest i suffered from tendon-fatigue http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif . So i my next step was to build something as flat as possible, a bit less "cockpit oriented" and more "desktop oriented".


Flight Console v2

I started designing it in AUTOCAD in order to see in 3d how it would function. After investing about 30 hours in designing i felt that it should be done right and searched for a laser cutter to make the plans real. After a small search, i found LaserMark Ltd (http://www.lasermark.gr/eidikes%20kataskeyes_n.htm) in my town. It is a company that engraves guns, airplane and tank panels for the Greek Armed Force:
http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/JSC2000E10522_pr.jpg (http://www.lasermark.gr/hitech/jet%20cockpit.jpg) http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-uspthump.JPG (http://www.lasermark.gr/pics/laser/hk-usp45c.jpg). Here is a video of engraving of jet airplanes on an aluminum plate: Lasermark@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5SojX0qGLk&feature=related).

I used plexiglas for the construction, because it was easy to find and easy to glue if needed. I used white plexi for the "face" of the console and black for the main body. I covered the white plexi with black self-adhesive vinyl film (http://www.allproducts.com/plastic/itemplast/23-adhesivevinyl.jpg) and then engraved the letters and cut the holes so as to be able to backlight the panel. I used 120 led-strip (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSC08425.jpg) for light For controls i used once again the much-appreciated BU0836. This is the outcome:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016-1.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1016.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1016.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1031.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1031.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1020.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1020.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1029.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1029.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1030.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1030.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1021.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1021.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1022.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1022.jpg)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1025.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1025.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0987.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0987.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF0983.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF0983.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_Picture097-1.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/Picture097-1.jpg)

Custom solution for head-tracking:

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/th_DSCF0911.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/DSCF0911.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1019.jpg (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1019.jpg)

More photos in my photo-album: Console@Photobucket (http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/?albumview=grid)

Videos in Youtube of console: <UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI> Analog Mixture Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOVbocQsNEY)
<LI> Demonstration flight (with real sound) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ4bmXHg69g)
[/list]

PS: The letters look a bit blurry, because i was supposed to peel off the remaining vinyl after the stencil-cut. But i didn't since i am too afraid that i will spoil it. See the detail on "C" of "pit-C-h":
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1028.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1028.jpg)<span class="ev_code_GREY"> __ </span>http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/th_DSCF1027.jpg (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa220/klapatsimbanos/Konsola/DSCF1027.jpg) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent, excellent job my friend. This is truly an awesome design.

I am surprised with all the effort you put into this you don't have a wide screen monitor or a better flight stick with possibly force feedback.

As far as the burry lettering I think you could get good results by just turning down the LED intensity with either a larger current limiting resistor or a potentiometer. The LEDs seem very bright, almost Vegas bright and give the panel a bit of a cheesy slot machine heir to it. I'm not putting down the panel just trying to convey the effect the overdriven backlight is having. I saw in one of your later post you spoke of the amber push to make button leds burning out. If that is the case you were most likely applying too much voltage to them as leds are very reliable when proper driven and is would be nearly unthinkable for all of them to burn out in the same short time period. There are online calculators for LED current limiting resistors if you didn't already know.

My 3 questions for you are...
1. what kind of switches are you using and how. If they are toggle switches how do you avoid key repeats when thrown?

2.What was the overall build cost including laser etching?

3.How is the "free headtracking alternative" system working out with that wemote? I have been thinking about updating mine with a wemote camera.

Bye the way, don't know how it is for you, but the 3 point hat I just made is working out way better then the 3 point clip I had as the offset doesn't become as much of a factor. You may wanna try a hat or visor just for the heck of it.

Once again bravo, very nice controller indeed as are all the fine controller I see on this thread.

P.S.

There has needed to be a thread like this for a long time. The whole controller modding community seems a little disjointed. Someone, perhaps I, need to start a comprehensive sight. Looking up info on these kinds of mods shouldn't be as painful as it seems to be. I know there is a show and tell thread but it lacks detailed descriptions of methods and build processes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jayhall0315:
Finally got around to getting my new desktop setup. My fiance is way too yuppie to ever allow me a 'pit' so I had to do the best I could with 21st century tasteful, LOL. At any rate, you can see my nice Revised Franken Potato and CH FS/PP. I will get the Track IR 4 thingy maybe for my birthday later this year (I got the hat clip though and I am fooling with setting up FreeTrack soon).
After much reading and checking I decided to go with the Sharp Aquos LC-46D85U, a 46 inch model that puts out 120 Hz (which allows use of Nvidia 3D Vision) on a 10 bit panel. I may also get some nice multi-function panels in the near future as well (fiance permitting). Its not as sweet as many of the custom one off jobs I have seen here in the forums, but then you guys dont know my fiance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks Ken, this Franken Potato is kicking butts

Specs are: i7 940 @ 4.0 GHz, ASUS P6T Deluxe Version 2, 6 GB Corsair Dominator @ 1866, 2 x 4870x2 (Quad Crossfire), Ageia PhysX PPU card, Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty, 4 x OCZ Vertex 120 GB SSDs connected to special Highpoint RAID card running in RAID 0, Seagate 1 TB, Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W modular, Samsung 22x DVD burner and LG GGW-H20L Blue Ray Burner, Custom Watercooling by Swiftech and EK on the CPU, GPUs and PP, Logitech G15, MX Revolution and G7 wireless, Creative Gigaworks 750, Sharp LC-46D85U, and CH FS/PP plus Revised Franken Potato

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1358&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1359&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum...thumb=1&d=1240188750 (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1360&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1240188750) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey if you REALLY wanna impress your fiance, get some black zip ties and try some cable management. That will knock her socks off. That's rat's nest you have under your desk in so tre blah! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
07-13-2010, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rfxcasey:
Excellent, excellent job my friend. This is truly an awesome design.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you very much for your kind words! I really enjoy working on this project, i am afraid i have come to invest more time on building than flying...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I am surprised with all the effort you put into this you don't have a wide screen monitor or a better flight stick with possibly force feedback.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unfortunately me, i do not have any more space for a wider screen, plus IL2 has a "bug", which makes planes very difficult to spot in large resolutions, almost INVISIBLE.. As for the Force-Feedback joystick, i am flying with a X52 PRO from Saitek, with no FFB, but cannot afford the of a $$$ G940.. Possibly in the future http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
As far as the burry lettering I think you could get good results by just turning down the LED intensity with either a larger current limiting resistor or a potentiometer. The LEDs seem very bright, almost Vegas bright and give the panel a bit of a cheesy slot machine heir to it. I'm not putting down the panel just trying to convey the effect the overdriven backlight is having.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The letters are not blurry because of the backlight, they are because the were designed to be 1mm thick using stencil cutting method, but it turned out to be beautiful, and I never went all the way to removing the "inside" of the letters.. BUT dimming the LEDS are no problem at all, there is a pot inside the power-adaptor..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I saw in one of your later post you spoke of the amber push to make button leds burning out. If that is the case you were most likely applying too much voltage to them as leds are very reliable when proper driven and is would be nearly unthinkable for all of them to burn out in the same short time period. There are online calculators for LED current limiting resistors if you didn't already know.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You seem to have misunderstand.. The MICROCONTROLLER (ATMEGA16) i am using inside the Icarus One, (or the PIC18F2550 of the BU08360) cannot output the desired amount of current to drive the RED indicator leds. The connection of these rocket-switches demands current which comes from the SAME microcontroller pins that read the Input of the switch. IT IS WISE NOT TO DRAW these current, that is why i disconnected them.. They CAN work, but it is not the correct way to handle a PIC/ATMEL mC's input.. Hope i explained it..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
My 3 questions for you are...
1. what kind of switches are you using and how. If they are toggle switches how do you avoid key repeats when thrown?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I use normal switches, with no special specifications, and i perform firmware "DEBOUNCING" in the program the microcontroller is running..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
2.What was the overall build cost including laser etching?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The overall build cost is around 350 Euros because of the quality material.. The sliding potentiometers alone cost around 64 Euros, the eject button ~12 Euros, while the BU0836 another 32 Euros and do not forget laser cutting..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
3.How is the "free headtracking alternative" system working out with that wemote? I have been thinking about updating mine with a wemote camera.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wiimote outputs constant 140 FPS with minimal CPU usage (since it has integrated controller which handles position calculations and report positional data, freeing the CPU from all this load), for around 33 Euros.. ;-)


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Bye the way, don't know how it is for you, but the 3 point hat I just made is working out way better then the 3 point clip I had as the offset doesn't become as much of a factor. You may wanna try a hat or visor just for the heck of it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The 3-points clip works perfect after calibrating it correctly (twisting sideways and calibrating until no "ghost" movement is detected, then repeating the process up/downward and rolling).. Moreover, it is always connected to my 5.1 headphones, which i would use anyway, so i do not &lt;&lt;"complicate"&gt;&gt; ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ) things any further..

p-11.cAce
07-13-2010, 06:20 PM
Construction photos of my new simpit using Roger Dodger plans.

Nose section - switch panel will mount above the horizontal spreader and saitek pedals on the square of tubing at the bottom.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/001.jpg

Rear 3/4 - bottom of rear section will house computer(s) and serve as a wire bay.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/006.jpg

Dog is my co-pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/004.jpg

Front and rear sections to be covered in Luan. Flat screen mount will rest on two lengthwise bars on nose section until I can get a projector.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/003.jpg

NuMcA_of_CS
07-14-2010, 01:06 AM
Beautiful project cAce!
Well done, looking forward to seeing more pictures!

rfxcasey
07-14-2010, 07:13 AM
NuMcA_of_CS thanks for all the info. It's always great to see someone take the time to share there knowledge and/or experience. You were however not joking when you spoke in an earlier post about the project being pricey. Good lord, that's more then I would have expected. I am sure this could be done much cheaper with good results although the quality of your components really shows.

binky9
07-14-2010, 07:56 AM
NuMca_of_CS,

Why aren't you selling these control panels? With a little bit of redesign, to get the price and the build time down, you could sell a lot of them.

No keyboard combinations to memorize. What a product.

Do a market analysis. I'm sure there are people waiting in line right now. Me, for instance.

binky9

p-11.cAce
07-14-2010, 08:29 AM
I'd buy one - would look great in my pit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
07-14-2010, 03:31 PM
Guys, i am finishing my Master Thesis for my Diploma at this moment, that is why the Flight Console project has slipped down a bit on my priority list. But not all the way down. For my Thesis i have set up my own "homebrew" electronics lab, capable of creating PCBs (UV chamber, chemical etching) and thus lowering the workhours needed.

From the 1rst of August i will be contacting an electronics factory in ShenZen, China, to quote for aircraft switches and buttons and i hope to get a better price than the one the EU dealers are offering..

In September i am planning to offer a revised, more economical solution to "Icarus ONE" (my current design). I am hoping to coincide the launch of the new design with the launch of my website. (For now, i am using my blog (Miskatonic Tech (http://miskatonic-tech.blogspot.com/)) as my portal).. I am hoping to offer 8-axis, 16-buttons, backlight and custom engraving at about 250 Euros.. Any suggestions (technical specs, price) would be very welcomed!

Thank you all for the interest! Unfortunately the cost of quality electronics (potentiometers, aircraft grade switches) and Laser is making the cost a bit pricey.. I am looking ways around it, without compromising quality..

binky9
07-14-2010, 04:32 PM
Congratulations on almost having the Masters Degree. Please keep us informed as to how things are going with getting your assembly line up and running.

Good work,

binky9

binky9
07-14-2010, 04:40 PM
By the way, I love Arkham. It's such a nice, quite little town. Planing a vacation there next summer.

binky9

p-11.cAce
07-14-2010, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Thank you all for the interest! Unfortunately the cost of quality electronics (potentiometers, aircraft grade switches) and Laser is making the cost a bit pricey.. I am looking ways around it, without compromising quality.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think the price is bad if the quality is there. I would LOVE to have a panel that would fit in the trapezoidal space in the simpit I am building - I'll measure it off and post the size asap. The space above the horizontal crosspiece is meant to have a keyboard attached with velcro but a switchpanel like yours would look amazing in that space instead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/002.jpg

You can see the keyboard mounted in this pic of a finished pit-
http://www.rogerdodger.net/images/PACSpromo01.jpg

WTE_Galway
07-14-2010, 08:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:

I don't think the price is bad if the quality is there. I would LOVE to have a panel that would fit in the trapezoidal space in the simpit I am building - I'll measure it off and post the size asap. T
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about some full sized replica instruments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.inzpan.com/articles.asp?id=139

NuMcA_of_CS
07-15-2010, 12:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
I'll measure it off and post the size asap. The space above the horizontal crosspiece is meant to have a keyboard attached with velcro but a switchpanel like yours would look amazing in that space instead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please DO send the dimensions, and a draft sketch of what you would like to have there and I will give you a cost estimation. I would love to be involved with new challenges http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
07-15-2010, 12:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by binky9:
Congratulations on almost having the Masters Degree. Please keep us informed as to how things are going with getting your assembly line up and running.

Good work,

binky9 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fingers crossed on my examination next Friday (23/7)!
Thank you binky9!

NuMcA_of_CS
07-15-2010, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
How about some full sized replica instruments
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ARE THESE FUNCTIONAL? Can you seat inside a 1/4 scale cockpit???? If so, http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/images/smilies/vbmodern/drool.gif

WTE_Galway
07-15-2010, 01:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
How about some full sized replica instruments
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ARE THESE FUNCTIONAL? Can you seat inside a 1/4 scale cockpit???? If so, http://www.hlektronika.gr/forum/images/smilies/vbmodern/drool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well i meant the full size replicas they offer and no I don't think they actually function - my impression is you would need to combine the historical "look alike" with the mechanism from a more modern sim gauge. It would still easier than trying to create your own historical gauge.


--&gt; On a side note. I am currently use my mouse wheel for trim and am considering building a trim wheel using the mechanism and electronics from a broken or cheap USB mouse. Has anyone tried this ? How does windows react to having two mice ?

NuMcA_of_CS
07-15-2010, 01:31 AM
On the mouse-wheel trim:
Windows output the AVERAGE VALUE for each Axis of 2 or more mice connected to the same computer. Which means that when you move the two mice smutaniously the pointer moves the MEAN VALUE of X and Y transaction. When you move ONE mouse, the pointer moves as expected, since "not moving" the other mouse, sends NO REPORT to windows.

As you must have noticed, the mouse wheel is not an analog axis, but a digital one. Which means that you can only use it for UP and DOWN, without being able to set TRIM TO 50%, so practically you never know how much trim you have. If you accept this limitation, it is a working way to TRIM your aircraft. (Though, why not go for a cheap or broken USB gamepad/joystick?)

WTE_Galway
07-15-2010, 01:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
On the mouse-wheel trim:
Windows output the AVERAGE VALUE for each Axis of 2 or more mice connected to the same computer. Which means that when you move the two mice smutaniously the pointer moves the MEAN VALUE of X and Y transaction. When you move ONE mouse, the pointer moves as expected, since "not moving" the other mouse, sends NO REPORT to windows.

As you must have noticed, the mouse wheel is not an analog axis, but a digital one. Which means that you can only use it for UP and DOWN, without being able to set TRIM TO 50%, so practically you never know how much trim you have. If you accept this limitation, it is a working way to TRIM your aircraft. (Though, why not go for a cheap or broken USB gamepad/joystick?) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am used to a trim wheel from back years ago when I still did some real time flying so it just makes sense to me to use a wheel I suppose http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I presume you could still have a key to set the trim to neutral at the start of a mission and then adjust your takeoff trim from there so the "up down only" is not a huge limitation for me.

rfxcasey
07-15-2010, 10:59 AM
I think making your OWN control panel is much more in the spirit of flight and innovation, especially when talking about the era IL-2 encompasses.

I like those PVC cockpits but that keyboard has to go. Take the keyboard, open it up, follow the 2 traces for each key to the pins on the PCB then wire a button or switch to the PCB pins instead.

You might say, "well you CAN'T use a switch cause when it's on you'll get repeat keystroke." But, if you use SPST OFF (ON) momentary rocker switches they are just like push buttons that return to there starting position after being pressed. You can also use (ON) OFF (ON) momentary rockers and assign gear up to one position and gear down to the other, it works great and if you use the right lighted ones it looks awesome too. You can also get these same switch configurations in all metal toggle switch form. Using the metal toggles and square backlit pushbuttons will give you a very time period correct feel. The best thing is to get yellow and white lit buttons or old faded ones you can find and salvage to really get a cool effect. The momentary rock and toggles are a bit harder to find then standard ones but there are plenty online you just have to look. They really give a great feel to the cockpit.

For your PVC cockpit, go get a 10 doller usb numeric keypad and place it right behind your throttle or on the inside of it where it might hang over you left leg a little. You can mod it with LED backlight so the space in between the keys glows, or better yet add some custom printed clear keys you can order online cheap that say things like WPN 1 or HOOK or whatever, or you can assign radio commands to it if you like. That setup is especially awesome for jets sims like Falcon 4.0 or FSX. You can even strap the numbad to your left upper thigh. Or even better just buy one of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...?ie=UTF8&me=&seller= (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BU0F5Y/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=)

Just make sure if you hack a keyboard for your main instrument panel you don't use any of the numpad functions as the USB numpad will probably share these with the fullsize keyboard.

Hope you like some of those ideas. By the way I think someone asked about those switches with the safety covers. They're called combat switches to my knowledge.

Oh an if anyone cares, I overclocked my AMD black edition last night to 300Mhz over to 3Ghz by simply doing nothing more then changing the CPU multiplier. Memory is still running at the same frequency and I played TF2 for 3 hours with no temp change from stock settings. The processor never got over 112 deg. That IS FREAKING AWESOME!

nonder1
11-28-2010, 05:03 AM
Hi guys. I have one question about using ON-ON switches (with BU0836). If i am turn switch to ON (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) its alway on ? I think its not good for comuputer cpu. I need only second pulse (for IL2 functios - lights ...) What i must do/use ?

bolox00
11-28-2010, 06:40 AM
welcome to the forums

if using more than 3 ON-OFF or ON-OFF-ON switches with bu0836 the use of diodes is recommended
http://www.leobodnar.com/products/BU0836/

this is a result of it using a matrix to input into the device- if 3 switches are ON there MAY be unexpected inputs generated.
you can wire upto 12 ON-OFF switches in DIRECT mode without problems

don't worry about your comps cpu being affected by a switch being left on- the bu (and other controllers) 'interpret' the switch positions and 'compute' the usb output in a manner that doesn't concern your cpu.

using 1 ON-OFF switch to control lights and with the control assigned DIRECTLY in il2-( ie flip switch to register control in ingame controls section) would mean the light would come on when the switch is first flipped on but would not change when switched off. a further flip would be required to switch the lights off ingame.

to get a positional switch - one that if is in on position the relevant ingame function is on and vice versa, the normal way is to used a keyboard emulator program such as svmapper(there are several other choices http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif)
http://thommos.com/modules.php...ads&d_op=MostPopular (http://thommos.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=MostPopular)
these programs allow you to 'program' a keyboard 'event' to occur on both the press(on) and release (off) flips of the switch.

more complicated programming involving repeats/macros.

if you already have your bu i would recommend attaching 1 or 2 switches-( 1 ON-OFF and one momentary??) and experiment with how they affect various game commands.
then try using a keyboard emulator and see how that can change things

good luck

nonder1
11-28-2010, 07:15 AM
Thx for fast reply. Ok if i will use only off-on switches i have only 12 buttons (?)... SV Mapper works perfectly.

Can i use 12 switches on-off (without diods) + SV mapper without problems ?

Are 12 buttons max if i want have 5 off-on switches (always ON) ...

OR

Can i use 32 buttons + diodes + SV mapper witch 5 or more on-off switches (always ON)...

... btw...

Numca have ARM switches. Its rocket launch or "rocket enable/disable" ... how doest it work ?
Its connected to joystick buttons ? or what ?

____
Sorry... i havent good english ... 8-)

bolox00
11-28-2010, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nonder1:
Thx for fast reply. Ok if i will use only off-on switches i have only 12 buttons (?)... SV Mapper works perfectly.

Can i use 12 switches on-off (without diods) + SV mapper without problems ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are 12 buttons max if i want have 5 off-on switches (always ON) ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes- unless you use diodes in which case 32 buttons/switches is possible for each bu device

nonder1
11-28-2010, 07:40 AM
Thx very much. I will use diodes - 32 buttons/switches. Its best way.

DD_crash
11-28-2010, 10:05 AM
Has anyone converted an X52 into a button bay?? If so got pix? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sokol__1
11-28-2010, 10:47 AM
nonder1

A "hardware" for use toggle-switchs (without software like SVMapper, JoyToKey...) with BU0836 (or similar board):

http://www.circuitosimpresos.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1394289538_8c310265f2.jpg
From X-plane boards.

And here a easy way to make diode matrix board for Bu0836;

http://www.737ng.co.uk/matrix.pdf

Sokol1

nonder1
11-28-2010, 12:52 PM
thx ... it looks nice ... but this way is little expensive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ... i think SV map is better ... if SV map will not work good i will use this way ...

Ok guys ... thats all ... very thx ... now i need response from Numca ...

PhantomKira
11-28-2010, 09:13 PM
A good place for some ideas (http://www.rogerdodger.net/diyflightsims.html).

Saw a youtube that suggested what's been suggested above. Basically a dedicated keyboard alteration with embossed metal plates over keyboard combinations for various inputs. It looks a little more like a panel and a little less like a keyboard, on the cheap.

nonder1
11-29-2010, 08:55 AM
yes but building own panel is fun.

btw.

Can i use these pots ?

-Mono 10k/N Linear-

http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm...pg=det&article=24026 (http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=919&pg=det&article=24026)

AND

-1W TP195-32E - 22K-

D=19,5mm
d=6mm
M10x0,75
1,0W
Max.U=600Vss

http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm...pg=det&article=41712 (http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=1116&pg=det&article=41712)

bolox00
11-29-2010, 09:57 AM
both should work fine- anything with a linear taper and between 10k ohm-100k ohm should work

i know you are trying to keep costs down but i would again suggest multi turn pots for trim (elevator trim if nothing else)
this is a very good one
http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm...pg=det&article=33165 (http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=971&pg=det&article=33165)

otherwise with 270 degree pots you will probably need to alter the sensitivity using a utility like joy control
http://www.mission4today.com/i...file=details&id=1021 (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&file=details&id=1021)

have fun with your project

nonder1
11-29-2010, 10:04 AM
ok thx very much...

this is my sketch ...

http://i54.tinypic.com/e1cfpc.jpg

PhantomKira
11-29-2010, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nonder1:
yes but building own panel is fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why I said "ideas". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

mmitch10
11-29-2010, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bolox00:
i know you are trying to keep costs down but i would again suggest multi turn pots for trim (elevator trim if nothing else)
this is a very good one
http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm...pg=det&article=33165 (http://avelmak.sk/index.php?lm=971&pg=det&article=33165)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1...Can't emphasize this enough. I had great fun building my panel, and started off with 270° pots but quickly realised that they don't have anywhere near enough sensitivity. Within a couple of weeks I'd swapped them for 10 turn pots.

Skunk_438RCAF
01-03-2011, 03:59 PM
Just built this:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f239/Skunk24/kbcons.jpg

Not much "building" really, and my layout is a little clumsy for a first attempt, but it works.

Inspired by Roger Dodger of course.

DD_crash
01-28-2011, 08:13 AM
Modded my X52 joystick into a button bay and converted the X&Y axis to pots for trim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/IMG_3039.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/IMG_3040.jpg

biggs222
01-28-2011, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DD_crash:
Modded my X52 joystick into a button bay and converted the X&Y axis to pots for trim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/IMG_3039.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b191/notmuppet/IMG_3040.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

.....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Biggs222/mother_of_god.jpg

bolox00
03-24-2011, 10:51 AM
well with CLoD due shortly (and lots of switch options http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif ) so it's time to upgrade my pit too.

my aim is to go for more realistic controls that will hopefully fit into a full pit one day.
(when devicelink is incorporated?)

the first part of the project is the 'fusebox' on rhs side of a 109(basing it on F model for more switches)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/pit/100_1717.jpg


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/pit/100_1707.jpg

wiring is done thru 3 DIN connectors and the 2 kobs are 3 way rotary switches wired to use 2 ways with off in middle for those next/previous commands like radio frequency

am also working on using the U/C indicator as 4 buttons

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/bolox00/pit/100_1711.jpg

made from one of those carpet protector cups (25p http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )- should be ok with a coat of paint

so, who else is on a CLoD build?

FlyingR
04-02-2011, 08:22 PM
I'm just going to say lads that all of your work is bloody excellent! Very well done, and I envy your talent!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Cheers!

P.S. Numa, good luck with your diploma thesis thingy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DD_crash
04-05-2011, 04:34 AM
Really neat Siderwinder/X52 mod on the 1C forum
FFB X52 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=18562&page=8) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NuMcA_of_CS
04-07-2011, 03:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlyingR:
I'm just going to say lads that all of your work is bloody excellent! Very well done, and I envy your talent!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Cheers!

P.S. Numa, good luck with your diploma thesis thingy! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you for your wishes FlyingR!
My Thesis went really well, and then came all the "adult" obligations of life; I am now serving my mandatory military service in the Army, for 9 months. That's why I have been "away" from the community. I will be back after the summer though.. Keep on the good job guys, nice mods!

binky9
04-07-2011, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">NuMcA_of_CS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Glad to see they let you out into the world once in awhile.

Drop me a line when you get a chance.

binky9

NuMcA_of_CS
04-07-2011, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">binky9 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You've got mail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif