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Choctaw111
12-26-2005, 08:05 PM
I have just been flying against bomber formations in an Me163 and Bf110 and was wondering if you could kill AI bomber gunners. It seems that no matter how many bullets I put into those bombers and as long as they are still flying and the guys havn't bailed out yet they still keep firing away at me. Can they be killed or not? I would just like to silence some of the gunners so that I can attack the bombers in relative safety. One toher thing. Those gunners never seem to miss!!!! After one pass getting no closer than 300 meters my AC is either damaged so severely that it is barely flyable or I just get killed altogether.

FritzGryphon
12-26-2005, 09:28 PM
Yes. Though the AI gunners might sometimes survive being shot multiuple times, they do die.

You can test this by setting Arcade=1 in the conf.ini. When a gunner is killed, the message will appear 'gunner down'.

And anyone who thinks AI gunners are good in this game, ought to fly a bomber. The AI gunner effectiveness is virtually nil, even on Ace, compared to human controlled gunners. Mainly because they rarely fire their guns, and when they do, usually in the wrong direction altogether.

neural_dream
12-26-2005, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
I have just been flying against bomber formations in an Me163 and Bf110 and was wondering if you could kill AI bomber gunners. It seems that no matter how many bullets I put into those bombers and as long as they are still flying and the guys havn't bailed out yet they still keep firing away at me. Can they be killed or not? I would just like to silence some of the gunners so that I can attack the bombers in relative safety. One toher thing. Those gunners never seem to miss!!!! After one pass getting no closer than 300 meters my AC is either damaged so severely that it is barely flyable or I just get killed altogether.
Then why don't you attack from an angle that the bomber doesn't have a gunner?
If you get damaged and killed so often I suspect you park on the bomber's six. The best way is usually head on from above. Experienced online gamers usually attack from the sides in very high-speed passes.

LEBillfish
12-26-2005, 11:16 PM
In New Guinea, Ki-43 pilots were notorious for flanking a bomber, then suddenly banking in to be shielded by the bombers props.....The accounts of how the Japanese flew was really stunning (when they wern't just a big cluster_-_-)......good thing they never had par planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p1ngu666
12-27-2005, 12:11 AM
theres a big big difference between ai gunners on a AI plane, and those that are AI on a HUMAN plane, the latter, are dire, if they where in bomber command, the crew wouldnt be sad to see them kicked out for LMF.

a typical ai/human gunner will fire way beyond effective range, often at a target he cant see, let alone hit. they often dont fire at things they should, and could hit within range, dont inform u of anything useful.

while they do sometimes hit the enemy, im inclinded to think they do it by acciedent, or more likely they was firing at another target.

Markku38
12-27-2005, 12:49 AM
AI gunners is sharpshooters http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
If I don't have oil leak I got black screen - is it final blackout? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Sometimes they even don't jump.. continued shooting until they crash http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sometimes I have luckyshot and gunner is out... maybe headshot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BTW I play offline so I don't know about online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

msalama
12-27-2005, 01:46 AM
Well, I honestly don't know what to think of the bleeders. I often practice off-line with a QMB scenario where I'm flying the Sturmo series 3 against 4 ace-level He-111s, and hanging about their sixes always gets me shot down or worse. So they do shoot pretty accurately when on ace, mandating the use of boom-zoom (as far as that's applicable to a Sturmovik) and/or angled approaches.

On-line it's all different. I usually fly the Sturmovik, and man the pilot's position & let the AI gunner alone. Now if a n00b approaches my six, he's usually as good as dead because he approaches straight on. But oh laws, if the attacker is an experienced guy... THEN it gets hairy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyhoo, I've noticed that no-one usually gets me on the 1st go, n00b or not, because I'm paranoid enough to spot them in advance http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But are the buggers any good? You tell me. They SHOULD learn to deflection-shoot, that's for sure, but completely useless they ain't IMO...

Kuna15
12-27-2005, 02:32 AM
Aircraft with one defensive gun are usually easy prey (Ju-87, IL-2, SBD...) but bombers are usually nightmare.
One must have a lot of discipline to be succesfull against bomber formation, as there is only one succesfull (read: possible) way to attack them and that is almost vertical high speed dive on them. Every other technique does not work against ace AI bomber formation. They will even shred you to bits in high speed side attack http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif.

Gunners can be killed quite easily from my experience (.50s are gunner nightmare you can PK/GK bomber very often). Set convergence on very short values (around 180m or less). Wait 'till almost in perfect convergence and start to shoot correct deflection in needed.

neural_dream
12-27-2005, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by msalama:
On-line it's all different. I usually fly the Sturmovik, and man the pilot's position & let the AI gunner alone. Now if a n00b approaches my six, he's usually as good as dead because he approaches straight on.
That's true. My Stuka's gunner gets more air kills than the number of ground objects I destroy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.