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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:34 AM
is a mix of bothhttp://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/ME209-1.jpg




the radiator and tail landing wheels is a bf an fw mix

LOL

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:34 AM
is a mix of bothhttp://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/ME209-1.jpg




the radiator and tail landing wheels is a bf an fw mix

LOL

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fluke39
07-04-2003, 02:39 AM
interesting

i'm sure one of the more knowledgable members of our commmunity will soon show up and tell us what it is and why it is /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:52 AM
I'm not sure but at first glance it looks like a 109 with a Jumo 213 in it, I know this was tested. And the wings look like they are extended meaning it would be a high altitude test plane. Maybe the 109H. The Germans were into high altitude stuff. Maybe I am wrong about the pic though, just my initial impression.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:02 AM
yes help any one,tell as,

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:08 AM
Perhaps a Me-209 prototype.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:09 AM
test

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:11 AM
again

edit..thank you.

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Message Edited on 07/03/0307:11PM by BuzzU

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:22 AM
ya me 209,any one got more

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:30 AM
I did some research and this appears to be a Bf-109L. The Bf-109L was fitted with a Jumo 213 engine which is also used in the Fw-190D.


Message Edited on 07/04/0302:41AM by Timber_Wolf_99

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:57 AM
Could that thing fly staight with that vertical stabilizer???

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:35 AM
the me309 would be a nice edition to fb

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Me309-1.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:40 AM
209 variants

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/Me209-2.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/me209v1-001.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/me209v4-002.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me209-V1-4.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me209-5s.jpg


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me209-6s.jpg


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:44 AM
That is Me-209 V5 for sure. I wish have it. also see that small size Me-209 are special build for ONLY to break speed record. If you see snake on it are just for show off like they did with He-100 to boast off how powerful they are.

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 06:33 AM
The designation for the short aircraft is the Bf-109R. The only real Me-209 there is on the bottom photo.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 09:22 AM
Oh leadspitter, you shouldn't have posted that one.

The Me-309 is such a beauty *sniff* /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:20 AM
My guess is that is the Me109G series high altitude scout equipped with Jumo213, speed turned out to be 740kmh



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:22 AM
Its a 209,

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:33 AM
"In 1943 Messerschmitt went about designing an updated version of and replacement for the venerable Bf 109, which had by that time been relegated to secondary performer against superior allied aircraft such as the late mark Spitfires and Mustangs. The Me 209 emerged and competed against the likes of the Fw 190D and later the Focke Wulf Ta 152H as an aircraft that shared some 65% of the Bf-109G aircraft. Unfortunately the preferred DB 603 powerplant was in short supply so an alternative Jumo 213E engine had to be utilised resulting in a slight lesser performance than the preferred option. The Me 209V-5 prototype took the air in late 1944 but was some 50 km/h slower than the Fw 190D, its direct competitor, and comparable in all other performance characteristics. Further development had to be scrapped as it was late in the war and various German aviation production materials were destroyed."


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 11:35 AM
How about a 109Z http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:35 PM
Timber_Wolf_99 wrote:
- The designation for the short aircraft is the
- Bf-109R. The only real Me-209 there is on the bottom
- photo.
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No, it is Me 209 Verchuss number 5
Messerschmit delibertly convinced the RLM to assign it the RLM/GL-C number of 209.


V 1 through V 4 were the speed record origional Me 209's,
when Messerschmit went for the new fighter design, they
just continued the V number series

The A/C was to be powered by a DB 605G, which were in short supply, and as the other poster mentioned, the A/C was found wanting compared to the Fw 190 D9, and Ta 152 series.

V 5 first flew in Nov. 3 1943 with Fritz Wendel at the controls, Origionally powered by a DB 605A driving a VDM 3 blade propellor, but was reingined with a slightly more powerfull DB 603G, driving a Pe8 propellor.
The A/C went through several tail configurations finally ending up as shown in the picture. The configuration shown was known as tailplane design II a, approved in August 1943
The initial tailplane design was almost the exact same, except for a squared off top to a shorter rudder.
It started out as a Bf 109 G 5, W.Nr 16289 SP + LJ which was the first prototype V 5 (again the A/C in pic)
Armament was to be a engine mounted Mk 108, plus two Mg 151 in the wing roots. Was initally planned to have two
Mg 131's, or 151's on the engine cowling, but cowl weapons were dropped for weight, and center of gravity considerations.
Though not a bad A/C, it was far easier to go with full 190 D9, and Ta 152 production. The whole program was scrapped Jan 13 1944


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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:40 PM
ALso...

Just a quick one

Anyone know how the origional Me 209's handeled engine cooling ??

(I'm talking the origional V 1 through V 4 A/C here)

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:48 PM
Juego wrote:
- is a mix of both
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/ME209-1.jpg

Yes it is!
After the succes with Blohm und Voss BV 141 the german air ministry decided that this was an exelent effort in confusing the enemy. Even more confusing for the enemy ( and many others )was that they combined the worst characteristics from the 109 and FW.
The main reason for this was to surprise the enemy in combat with a series of severe flat spinns and escape.
It cant be seen in this picture, but in the final version the pilot actually is sitting backwards, enabling him to handle a single small calibre machinegun and at the same time with the aid of mirrors see in the forward direction.

Allthough it was grounded because of the lack of the ignition switch. "It had to go", they said, in favor of the compartment for the party manual.

This was also the plane wich they considered to have a heavy flak turret... who knows how this might have changed the war?...........

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:55 PM
This is the a/c that used the Jumo 211 motor, the Avia S.199.

http://www.papermodels.co.il/S199_10.jpg


http://www.papermodels.co.il/S199_06.jpg



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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:59 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
- This is the a/c that used the Jumo 211 motor, the
- Avia S.199.
-
http://www.papermodels.co.il/S199_10.jpg
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http://www.papermodels.co.il/S199_06.jpg



Nice model, GOOD JOB !!

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 03:15 PM
TokarevSVT wrote:

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- Nice model, GOOD JOB !!
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Thanks but, I wish I was that good./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Here is are photos of an IAF S.199.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7934/mezek3c.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7934/mezek4c.jpg



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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 09:20 PM
I heard the short racing aircraft was named Bf-109R but the allies gave is the wrong designation of Me-209. Years later the actual Me-209 was developed to replace the Bf-109.