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MB_Avro_UK
01-25-2007, 05:16 PM
hi all,

I had a couple of beers with my younger brother tonight...

He flies that MS Sim involving airliners on 9 hour flights zzzzzzzz.

He logs a flightplan online zzzzzzzz.

Could I convert him to IL2?

If so, how should I do it?

He lives the other side of London to me which amounts to a 2 hour drive if lucky, so showing him the sim first hand is not practical. I could send screenshots but they are eye-candy.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Haigotron
01-25-2007, 05:18 PM
You see the trick is to make him pretend he's flying an airliner...but he's under attack


sit him down and make him fly an he 111....tell him its a 1940 airliner bound to berlin...

have 2 yaks attack him...the sheer adrenaline will make him convert...

StellarRat
01-25-2007, 05:38 PM
Tell him that his airline is losing money and he's going to get laid off, but you have a job for him in the Air Corp.

MB_Avro_UK
01-25-2007, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by Haigotron:
You see the trick is to make him pretend he's flying an airliner...but he's under attack


sit him down and make him fly an he 111....tell him its a 1940 airliner bound to berlin...

have 2 yaks attack him...the sheer adrenaline will make him convert...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

You could be right...I have a Lufthansa skin for a He 111 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I think that its a question of getting him started...then he will be hooked.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

We should spread the word !!

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

NekoReaperman
01-25-2007, 05:55 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif i like MSFS

JRJacobs
01-25-2007, 06:29 PM
take him low and dirty, get him to DF, brushing off pursuers by weaving amongst the smokestacks. Show him how to fly UNDER the bridges. My biggest complaint about FS is how 2D the terrain is, even with meshes cities only have a few buildings that aren't flat photos. Got killed one diving into a valley that turned out to be a PICTURE of a valley

MarkSynthesis
01-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Hmm...I always thought that civilian flight simulators and combat flight simulators were two very different things.

I mean, I still play FS9, in addition to Forgotten Battles. Maybe he's just not that interested in shooting other planes or straffing little vehicles?

leitmotiv
01-25-2007, 09:08 PM
Put a dram of pure human adrenalin in his pint the next time you get together. Leave IL-2 46 on the table. Next time you see him he'll be bragging about his kills and complaining about "porked" P-51s.

Skycat_2
01-25-2007, 09:22 PM
Tell him that landing a perfectly good jet is for sissies. Challenge him to nurse home a fighter with a smoking engine, one missing aeleron, a stream of leaking fuel, and a quart of oil splashed on the windscreen.

Bearcat99
01-25-2007, 10:37 PM
I have found that many flightsimmers just are not able to appreciate the combat sim.. and vice versa. I suggest that you just get him a copy... and run a few IP to IP coops... Nothing too heavy.... just something to let he and you engage the enemy. You could even have him as a 1940s commercial pilot.. or cargo.. or bomber and you are his escort. Or create a recon mission.. wnere he has to find the enemy fleet while you are also looking so that you can attempt to bomb it. Get him into it. But don't try to :

A)Just hand him the sim and say check this out.... it might work... but there is a good chance it wont, and you know what they say about first impressions. This sim has turned off many folks who wound up wasting months until one day out of boredom they fire it up and go http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
The first time, when you set it up... make it a day affair. Grab some brews.... install it... install all the patches where applicable... bookmark all the important sites on his rig, you don't even have to make a big deal about it. Just create a bookmark file called 46... and in that file put UBI, AW.C, SHQ... and M4T. Then forget about it. Make sure the sim is set up correctly in his rig... make sure he has your IP addy... check his config file etc... make sure he has a stick profile for FB.... all that. Download some of the more important utilities... like MM, The UQMG, Mat, Sturmo, & Manager... and VAC..... Hardball's viewer, In Pursuit etc... You can even keep all the shortcuts to all that in one folder on his desktop and again.. no big deal... but if he bites then you can say, after he is really sucked in... "Look on your desktop and go to the 46 folder.. there you will find.... BUTTER!!"

If you make it a day long bonding thing... it won't seem so much that you are trying to convert him as just trying to hang out.

B)Get him online with other flyers too soon. You want to let him get the opportunity to feel the sim...... that means no pressure.. at least not right away. Have him read the brief.... print up the map and have him go over it before you fly..... show him the plane he will be flying etc.

C)Keep extolling the virtues of the sim. It may take time. Be patient. But if you have done it all right... once you go home, you can say "Hey let's run a private coop... you set it up... tell him how to go IP to IP.... and dont make it too challenging. But keep it interesting. Make sure that you can insure his survival between you and the AI..... but make it interesting. Leave externals on so he can get an eyefull of the beauty of the sim. Make sure his card is tweaked to the best balance between OGL & DX....

This sim is a great product. One would have to be either very narrow minded, or just downright against it or change in general to not see that, however as I said...the genre isn't for everyone it just isn't. He might say..."Yeah it is a great sim.... now I have a run from Heathrow to Munich to make.... excuse me... " I have found that most commercial simmers ten d to turen up thier noses at combat sims because they eroneously think that the combat sims are more game than sim. They tend to think of that idiot on the History Channel's DogFights commercial with his game pad in hand sitting in his chair even if they have never seen him, when they think of combat flight sims. I have converted many just by showing them some of the movies.... but if he is already simming I recommend what I stated above. Good luck.. let us know how it goes.

leitmotiv
01-25-2007, 10:50 PM
Actually, you can set up nightmare scenarios with the MSFS with failed systems, engines, etc. And, you can hunt other planes in MSFS. The only difference is that you can't blow them to tarnation. Frankly, I don't know why you would want to take a perfectly civilized person who has mastered some of the most complex systems in the world, who has the patience and concentration to carry out an entire virtual flight, and drag them into this rat cage! Positives: IL-2 may improve his reflexes and eyesight---other than that, his IQ will drop 25 points!

Waldo.Pepper
01-25-2007, 11:28 PM
rat cage

I like!

msalama
01-25-2007, 11:42 PM
Well I used to drive FS9 heavies around before getting into IL-2. The result is that I'm still more handy with bombers and ground attack AC than with fighters. No matter, though, because I _LIKE_ flying those heavies (well "heavies" comparatively speaking) much more anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

One thing I'd really, REALLY, like to see in this game flyable are the transports BTW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Esel1964
01-25-2007, 11:43 PM
RE: OP-Maybe "The Old Persuader" ?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/b8_1.jpg

Just joking. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

general_kalle
01-26-2007, 12:10 AM
You could be right...I have a Lufthansa skin for a He 111

could you send me that one??
ill PM you my Email.

please

leitmotiv
01-26-2007, 12:16 AM
I was exaggerating, his IQ won't drop, but he will stop cooking meat before eating it---I should know!

K_Freddie
01-26-2007, 04:08 AM
Yesss, get him to fly the HE111 on a 'sunday cruise'. Explain to him that he should turn the volume up on the headset to hear the finer noises. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So while he flying happily you come up behind him in a plane that has the biggest cannon, and aim for the cpit area. If he jumps out his seat... he's hooked http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Don't forget to have that 'Childish Naughty' grin on your face after doing that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bazzaah2
01-26-2007, 04:19 AM
Have you considered blackmail?

stathem
01-26-2007, 04:32 AM
I'd recommend Prangster's Mossie campaign, icons, minimap, speedbar off. Prangster includes nice detailed briefings with waypoints so you can work out your route.

Get him to stooge around at 0 feet doing Night intruders, then, when the AAA starts spitting tracer past his cockpit, see if he can remember the flight plan.

"We're flying bleedin' Bostons at 250 bleedin' feet,
We're doin' Night Intruders just to see who we might meet
And when the daylight comes again and we can take a peek
We find we've made our landfall up the Clacton bleedin' Creek"

rnzoli
01-26-2007, 06:19 AM
Coming from MSFS direction myself, I can assure you that a good dusk or nigh bombing mission in co-op mode will catch his interest. Fluorescent instrument panels glowing, engine drone in formation flying, reddish AAA explosions, colorful small caliber tracers, searchlights, fighter combat, fantic radio transmissions...

For the first time, keep him out of trouble, just let him watch the action from a safe distance (1-2 km). If he asks "what are we waiting for? why not going there as well?" - then he is hooked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And he'll blame you for life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T_O_A_D
01-26-2007, 06:40 AM
Buy him the 1946 disc, go visit, don't tell him and inistall it in his machine. Then redirect all his other flight sim icons to the IL2.exe hehehe

Philipscdrw
01-26-2007, 07:02 AM
I've come here from MSFS - the main legacy of my background is that I still fly with a CH Products yoke...

Haigotron
01-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Coming from MSFS direction myself, I can assure you that a good dusk or nigh bombing mission in co-op mode will catch his interest. Fluorescent instrument panels glowing, engine drone in formation flying, reddish AAA explosions, colorful small caliber tracers, searchlights, fighter combat, fantic radio transmissions...

cool! I do hope the AI navigation lights over the enemy will not turn him away though...

DIRTY-MAC
01-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Just let him try it out, thats all it takes...

SeaFireLIV
01-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:
If so, how should I do it?


MB_Avro.

Bend his arm behind his back untilhe gives in. Works every time!

MB_Avro_UK
01-26-2007, 12:16 PM
Thanks for the advice guys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat has made some good suggestions but I'm not sure about the poster advising a threatening piece of wood... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...maybe as a last resort??

My brother does look down on combat flight sims as being for 'arcade' fliers. If converted he would be a 'full difficulty' guy and probably as hooked as we are. And maybe bring a few converts with him?

I have one reservation... He is married with 2 young kids. Will his life ever be the same again?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

nickdanger3
01-26-2007, 12:56 PM
Send him links to some of the movies that people have made, especially the Dart's training videos, since that will appeal to his "full real" sensibilities.

And speaking as a married, two-kid, flier, blowing things up is a great stress reliever.

rnzoli
01-26-2007, 01:46 PM
I have one reservation... He is married with 2 young kids. Will his life ever be the same again? Calm down, I have 5 kids, 1 wife, 1 girlfriend, and they have absolutely no problem with IL-2 as my hobby. At least they haven't said anything about it since I started with it 2 years ago. In fact, they haven't said ANYTHING since I started. Come to think of it.... I haven't seen them since then.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

boxmike
01-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Ehh... Why? He has all the patience with that, hats off.
Sounds like trying to get an old strategy gamer to play Doom, it may work but very short time IMO.
To be precise, I would be happy to play a Bomber Command sim: Take a Whitley mission 1940-41 from take off to landing, and player has to handle everything from navigation to defensive and bombing. No waypoint jumps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
After all it was said eons ago: 'Hours and hours of boredom punctuated into moments of sheer terror'.

Rgds,
- box

BrotherVoodoo
01-26-2007, 02:24 PM
FS has some cool things if you are into civil aviation. Offer to fly with him in his sim if he flys with you in yours. Then you both can gain an appreciation of both sims while doing some good bonding with your brother.
If all else fails, I liked the blackmail suggestion. What brother does not have good dirt on his siblings, lol.

BaronUnderpants
01-26-2007, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by JRJacobs:
take him low and dirty, get him to DF, brushing off pursuers by weaving amongst the smokestacks. Show him how to fly UNDER the bridges. My biggest complaint about FS is how 2D the terrain is, even with meshes cities only have a few buildings that aren't flat photos. Got killed one diving into a valley that turned out to be a PICTURE of a valley


I can see it in IL2..a intire furball commiting involentary suecide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


A bit like getting real low in IL2 dodging trees hoping your persuer will crash into one......only to relize u can fly straight through them. Makes the "dodge" part kind of pointless. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif