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Trikshot
11-18-2003, 10:39 PM
I've been looking around everywhere for this, but haven't found anything difinitive. I'm trying to find out about how Exile fits into the Myst/Riven/Uru lore as defined by Cyan, or if it even does (well, other than Yeesha, who is now part of Cyan's lore, as of Uru).

I watched the Rand Miller video in which he talks about the past, present and future of Myst, and in that, he acknowledges Presto Studio's work on Exile and says they did a good job, but I don't know if that means it's "officially" part of Myst canonical lore.

Anyone have a difinitive word on this?

Trikshot
11-18-2003, 10:39 PM
I've been looking around everywhere for this, but haven't found anything difinitive. I'm trying to find out about how Exile fits into the Myst/Riven/Uru lore as defined by Cyan, or if it even does (well, other than Yeesha, who is now part of Cyan's lore, as of Uru).

I watched the Rand Miller video in which he talks about the past, present and future of Myst, and in that, he acknowledges Presto Studio's work on Exile and says they did a good job, but I don't know if that means it's "officially" part of Myst canonical lore.

Anyone have a difinitive word on this?

Dillenger69
11-19-2003, 02:13 PM
I think the hardcore Mystical (hey ... I like that word!) might not consider it canon ...
however, people who have only played the games are sure to consider it part of the timeline.

The official word from Cyan is that neither the games nor the books are exaclty what happened and only "retellings" of the story with deliberate errors strategically placed.

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Trikshot
11-19-2003, 07:42 PM
Hmm, I would have thought that at least the books and Cyan-produced games are canon, since they are written (at least in part) by the Miller brothers.

Heh, in any case, thanks for the information. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Alahmnat
11-19-2003, 08:39 PM
Most of the game-related inaccuracies are due to the restrictions involved with putting a linear story into the hands of a player who can progress through the tale not only in a non-linear fashion, but also happen to come across a wrong ending, not to mention the technological restraints and "closed loop" requirements for a game (think of how many red herrings Myst and Riven would have had if they had been the *actual* places and not stripped-down game versions...)

Most of the inaccuracies in the novels come from David Wingrove's imagination overlapping on top of Cyan's rough draft... personally I think Ryan Miller should write Book of Marrim, his work on Inkarri and the original first chapter of BoA was incredible.

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maztec
11-19-2003, 09:00 PM
Alahmnat, you owe me a new keyboard.

I just drooled with remembrance.

Alpha2010
11-19-2003, 10:15 PM
What was Ryan Miller's original draft for the Book of Atrus and where can I find it?

Alahmnat
11-20-2003, 12:50 AM
http://urulive.ubi.com/US/About/FirstDraftBookofAtrus.htm

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Trikshot
11-20-2003, 10:21 PM
Wait, I seem to have missed something somewhere. I know Rand and Robyn Miller, but who's Ryan? I've not heard that name before.

Tanernin
11-20-2003, 11:28 PM
Ryan is the younger Miller brother (as in younger than both Rand and Robyn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

J_ohn
11-21-2003, 02:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trikshot:
Wait, I seem to have missed something somewhere. I know Rand and Robyn Miller, but who's Ryan? I've not heard that name before.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If you watch the Riven credits carefully, you'll see that Ryan Miller acts as the Moiety Rebel in the game.

Apparently he is also a gifted writer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Fabadoom
11-21-2003, 07:47 AM
More Ryan info here :

http://www.uruobsession.com/index.php?page=Interview%20With%20Ryan%20Miller

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mszv
11-21-2003, 10:31 AM
As a player of the game, I consider Exile to be part of the world history and view. I also don't regard any of the games as more accurate that any other. I look at the work - what they did, not what they meant to do. I also go by the games mostly, since I think of it as a gameworld. Others have different views. I think the books are popular with devoted fans, and I hear they are good reads.

For some fans and for Cyan too (I think) there's a hierarchy on what games and books are the most true to the story. I don't look at it like that, but a number of people do. Just wanted to let you know there are two views on this. On the hierarchy thing (what's considered more true to the world) perhaps some folks could post some links on the history, so you have a choice. I'd rather you go by my view, but many devoted fans will tell you otherwise!

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samgdni
11-23-2003, 01:02 AM
personally, i'm one of those "hardcore MYSTophiles'' and I say NO. i sure hope the official word, if it ever comes down the pike, says the same. I did notice in the miller's introduction they conspicuously left out exile. I loved myst. Loved Riven. ....slept through exile. sorry to the exile fans out there, it just wasn't for me.

maztec
11-23-2003, 01:32 AM
I liked Exile, but for completely different reason than I liked the rest of the myst series... It just wasn't the same game.

Alahmnat
11-23-2003, 01:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by samgdni:
I did notice in the miller's introduction they conspicuously left out exile.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Might have something to do with the fact that Cyan wasn't involved in making Exile, and Rand was referring to the past Cyan products in the introduction http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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xuzme
11-23-2003, 09:52 AM
but on the exile disk in the dvd edition, cyan is clearly marked on it. any reason for this? or is it just because of the re-release as a collectors edition?

mszv
11-23-2003, 06:36 PM
Hi,
Exile was made by Presto Studios, but they licensed the rights from Cyan. It was made with Cyan's permission. I assume that Cyan reviewed the game content, but I don't know for sure. It is considered to be a game in the Myst series, and you'll see it's in the Myst anniversary collection.

I don't think you can say that the stories in Exile "don't count". I do think, though I don't agree, that some publications (games, books), somehow count more than others with regards to the story.

Regards, mszv
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Reeleshan
11-24-2003, 09:35 AM
I would say that Exile is the best of the first three games. Ts not like in Riven, where you explore the same dusty rock-age, but its much more expanded. I think the Exile story is very important; It ends the tale of Atrus sons. It ends Atrus and Catherines history. I liked it, i think as much as Uru. But it has some magic.......

CuzinJohn
11-24-2003, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alahmnat:
... personally I think Ryan Miller should write Book of Marrim... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah!! Right on!! I'm all for another book! I'd like to read more of the pre-pre history to MYST. Since the BoA introduced us to Terahnee, and now the Uru history, and the end of BoA referrenced Garternay... WOW!! I'd LOVE to read about how those who went to Terahnee seperated from those who went to D'Ni, what pre-D'Ni society was like, how the 'seperatists' were viewed... there's a whole new story there WAITING to be written.

OK.. I'm now more excited about the premise of a new book than I am about getting invited to the Prolouge...

Well... maybe not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Alahmnat
11-24-2003, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CuzinJohn:
OK.. I'm now more excited about the premise of a new book than I am about getting invited to the Prolouge...

Well... maybe not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Curses! It almost worked!

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rsd34r21
11-25-2003, 10:59 PM
Exile (Myst III)

I think this might help in the understanding of J'nanin, the first island you start on when you play Myst III: Exile

J'nanin (whose name is based on the Sanskrit word for "knowledge") was written by Atrus as a hub Age for the education of his sons in the Art of Writing Ages. From this Age, Sirrus and Achenar would be able to access the Ages of Amateria, Edanna, Voltaic, and, following the completion of their lessons, Narayan. Each Age would teach them some element of Writing Ages, and when they returned, they would be greeted by a recording of Atrus giving them further instruction and education in the concept covered in the Age they had just visited.

J'nanin probably became the base of operations for Sirrus and Achenar during their initial plotting to take over the Ages of Myst. Once they had plundered Narayan, however, the boys abandoned the Age, leaving one of the Narayani natives, Saavedro, stranded on the Age after he tried to confront them about what they had done.

I believe that Myst III: Exile is part of the myst epilog do the the history behind the writing of the age to teach Atrus' suns to learn to write ages and it tells a good story\continues the story from Myst\Riven do to the fact that it ties in with all of the D'ni\Atrus' history. If you search the web\plaied the games\read the books you would see that it all makes sence.

Plz for give me if this was already posted i only scanned through some of the posts for this thread.

Manitu777
11-27-2003, 12:44 AM
Reeleshan Writes:


I would say that Exile is the best of the first three games. Ts not like in Riven, where you explore the same dusty rock-age, but its much more expanded. I think the Exile story is very important; It ends the tale of Atrus sons. It ends Atrus and Catherines history. I liked it, i think as much as Uru. But it has some magic.......

I couldn't agree more..i also LOVED Exile

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DambSikoe
12-08-2003, 12:00 AM
holy crap that first chapter is amazing.. thanks for the link..

anyway, im going to have too add, in reply to reeleshan and manitu, that exile was probably the least expansive of all 3 first games. i dunno, it just seemed that there was so much more to myst and riven. still enjoyed exile though.. was neat.

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