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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:52 AM
Ok, this has been asked several times before, but I think an expansion of the 190D family would be great! These later version differ both in performance and armament! I believe the D-11 could have the potential to become the favourite bird for many Fw190D drivers with it's wing armament!

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:52 AM
Ok, this has been asked several times before, but I think an expansion of the 190D family would be great! These later version differ both in performance and armament! I believe the D-11 could have the potential to become the favourite bird for many Fw190D drivers with it's wing armament!

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:01 AM
i would prefer an earlier version of the Fw 190:


the A-6!

there were 3000 A-6 produced and it was the first with the MG 151/20 instead of the MG FF in the wings.


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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:12 AM
yeah I m with u on this one

I would love to fly the d13 !

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 10:15 AM
I think D12 would be my fav. Actually a great idea.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 12:57 PM
- there were 3000 A-6 produced

Hmm...they were "just" 1192 A-6s, but my vote would also go for the A-6 and for the A-3 which was the first 190 at the eastern front. The JG5 even flew some A-3s in 1945 !

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 01:09 PM
As much as I would like all Fw A models to be avaliable in FB, I feel there's a bigger need for more longnosed variants, don't you think?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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06-24-2003, 02:24 PM
S!
D11 and its mk108 would rock!!! /i/smilies/16x16_man-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:26 PM
And the A-1 or the A-2, A-3 (?) for the year 1941!

Cheers,



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 02:43 PM
I'd prefer the A-6 too.. and A-3 for '41 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


"The Fw-190A-6 is the main production version of the "mid-range" Wurger; the Fw-190A-3 and A-4 being the main versions of the early-production range, and the A-8 being the main version of the late production range. The fighter was intended for use on the Eastern Front, and the A-6 shared in common with the earlier fighters the fuselage armament of 2 7.7mm machine guns, and was the first version to be rid of the MG-FF 20mm cannon in the outer wing position, replacing this weapon with two MG151s similar to those carried in the wing root. It also was the first version to use the new lighter-weight wing that would become standard for all Fw-190s that followed. Over 1,000 Fw-190A-6s were delivered to the Eastern Front during the winter of 1943-44.

Though the Fw-190A-8 was available, Rudorffer and his pilots preferred the Fw-190A-6, which had the same cannon armament as the A-8, but did not carry the fuselage-mounted 13mm cannon, rather being still equipped with the 7.7mm weapons of the early-production Wurgers. Thus, the A-6 was the last of the lightweight radial-engined Fw-190s, which allowed it to maintain its edge in maneuverability over the Soviet opposition in air combat.
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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 03:55 PM
Yep, bring on the A-6 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:47 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 06:51 PM
Given FB's altitude limitations, I would prefer a Ta152C over the Ta152H.

FW190D-12 with a Jumo213F would be nice.


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ZG77_Nagual
06-24-2003, 06:54 PM
Could be mistaking - but I don't think the 'C' variant every did much - possibly one engagement with tempests at war's end.
The variants - a5/a6 could probably be handled with armament packages - I'm looking forward to improved ammo modeling and being able to drop the outboard guns.

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:20 PM
So all votes go for the A-3 and A-6 and the D-11 and D-12 ?

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:30 PM
i really would like to see some early variants of the FW190... the A-3 would be cool /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

but im also interested in other longnose-variants..

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 07:42 PM
Don't forget the F-9, in fact a F-8 with a A-9 engine!

The most minimal work for the Maddox team to include this aircraft /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:02 PM
CHDT wrote:
- Don't forget the F-9, in fact a F-8 with a A-9
- engine!


*Panzerblitz II* /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 08:45 PM
Hurri-Khan wrote:
- Thus, the A-6 was the last
- of the lightweight radial-engined Fw-190s, which
- allowed it to maintain its edge in maneuverability
- over the Soviet opposition in air combat.



Yeah that's the ticket! Give me the 190 that's more maneuverable than their Soviet counterparts. All the ones I've been flying in FB have all the maneuverability of the average brick. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-24-2003, 09:56 PM
190a1 with 4 mg17 and 2 20mm was use 41 against spit5

a1 was test against 109f and was superior in low and middle altitude

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Message Edited on 06/25/0312:26AM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:18 AM
d13. Some d13's were fitted with the 30 firing through the spinner wahhhhhhhhh.
S!

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 07:14 AM
Some late Dora Facts!

The Fw 190D-11 was powered by the Jumo 213F with MW 50 boost. The fuselage-mounted guns were eliminated, and there were two MG 151s in the wing roots and two MK 108s in the outer wings

The Fw 190D-12 was a fighter-bomber variant, which differed from the D-9 by having a three-stage supercharged Jumo 213F-1 engine rated at 2060 hp for takeoff mounted in a new, more extensively armored cowling. Armanent was one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon and two 20-mm MG 151s in the wing roots. Although primarily a ground-attack plane, the D-12 also made an effective fighter and could attain 453 mph(729km/h) at 37,000 feet(12000m) when MW 50 boost was used. Production began in March 1945 at the Arado and Fieseler plants, but only a few were delivered.

The D-13 differed from the D-12 by having a Jumo 213EB engine and by having a 20-mm engine-mounted MG 151 cannon in place of the 30-mm MK 108 unit.

Hmm, 729km/h at 12000m, not bad!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 10:14 AM
hmm.. from the Doras I only would like to see an fighter-bomber. With TA-152 coming we already have 3 fighter variants.

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:39 AM
It is doubtful if any D-11s beside a couple of prototypes(V60, 61) were ever made.


Not all D-12s were to have 30mm - 1/2 were to use the MG151/20.

12,000m is a 'little high' for the use of MW50 is it not? It is also 11,000m for 725kph.

Theoretical speed was 760kph @ 12,500m ,with 730kph @ 9150m.



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:14 PM
D11 have flow in papagei staffel squad no ?or perhaps it is D12 don t remenber

the D12 production has start in january 1945 it had a jumo 213F-1 at Mw50 booster and had a MK108 in noise.

and it s D13 whose the same as D12 who have a Mg151 in noise remplacing the Mk108.

there is only two D10 whose been made it s not the D11 as you said milomorai.

anyone know i ve seen that there is for TA152 a speed gived with Mw50 booster and another with Gm1 one so Ta152 H1 have had the both booster ?

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:30 PM
There is no real need for a Fw 190 A-3 since the difference between our A-4 and the earlier A-3 is just a different radio equipment (resulting in a different antenna) and a few other minimal internal differences (e.g. changed Oxygen system).

But the idea of the A-6 for 1944 campaigns is quite nice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:35 PM
NN_EnigmuS wrote:
- D11 have flow in papagei staffel squad no ?or
- perhaps it is D12 don t remenber

You're right, it's a D-11. There werde several D-11s built but not much more than around 30. My sources point out a total number of 20 D-11s.

- and it s D13 whose the same as D12 who have a Mg151
- in noise remplacing the Mk108.

That's also right, but there were only few D-12s and D-13s produced. In fact, there's only one known D-13 which can be visited in the Champlin Fighter Museum in Arizona.
Ernst Schr├┬Âder of II./JG300 once mentoned to have flown a sortie in which the "Gruppenstab" flew a mixed formation of D-9s and one or two D-12s.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:38 PM
csThor wrote:
- There is no real need for a Fw 190 A-3 since the
- difference between our A-4 and the earlier A-3 is
- just a different radio equipment (resulting in a
- different antenna) and a few other minimal internal
- differences (e.g. changed Oxygen system).

ARR...that's right, but let's imply it for the sake of completeness /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:50 PM
190a1 is a difference,

she was 41 fly with has 2 20mm and 4 mg17

with lightly armament and perhaps less amor as a4 is she certain lightly and then better doghfighter

for 41 plane need you not 4 20mm



Message Edited on 06/25/0302:56PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:55 PM
Skalgrim wrote:
- 190a1 is a difference,
-
- she was 41 fly and has 2 20mm and 4 mg17
-
- when she has less weigh as a4 ,is she certain better
- doghfighter


Wrong. The A-1 had 4x 7,92mm MG 17 - the MG 151/20 appeared with the A-2. Additionally the A-1 still had the old BMW 801C engine with far less HP than the BMW 801D-2 ...

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 12:58 PM
thank csthor

oh 4 mg17 bit few fierpower,can then good maneuver but nothing shootdown

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what was the weigh from a1?


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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 01:03 PM
h├╝stel- hadnt the A-1 and the first A-2 not that armament :

2 MG17 upper fuselage
2 MG17 wingroots
2 MG-FF outer wings

??

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 01:12 PM
after 190a1 first combat with spit5,it seem the a1 get two 20mm MgFF before a2 came

the text is from il2center

csthor this was write from you

They had their first encounter with the RAF on September 6th 1941 near Gravelines on the Belgian coast as a swarm (4 planes) of Focke Wulfs of JG26 engaged a numerously superiour Spitfire V patrol. They scored three kills and didnÔ┬┤t suffer any losses. Due to the reported lacking of firepower the plane got two 20mm MgFF machine cannons in the outer wings and with the A-2 versions the new Mg 151/20 20mm cannons replaced the wing mounted Mg17







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06-25-2003, 01:48 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:02 PM
csThor wrote:
- There is no real need for a Fw 190 A-3 since the
- difference between our A-4 and the earlier A-3 is
- just a different radio equipment (resulting in a
- different antenna) and a few other minimal internal
- differences (e.g. changed Oxygen system).
-
- But the idea of the A-6 for 1944 campaigns is quite
- nice. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


exactly that was my idea behind it:
we dont need a A-3 because the difference to the A-4 is very small. but the step from A-5 to A-8 is very big. the A-6 would fill the gab.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:28 PM
Additionally the A-1 still
- had the old BMW 801C engine with far less HP than
- the BMW 801D-2 ...


The A-2 also had the C engine, but the A-1 had the C-1 and the A-2 the C-2. The A-3 was the first version with the D-2 engine /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
This ist the "only" difference between the A-2 and A-3 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:42 PM
from origin the A-2 havent had those cooling "gills" on the fuselage side behind the cowling.

they were later aded, also the BMW801D-2.

i dont think you can see and "feel" the difference between an late A-2 and an A-3.


therefore , for me the only worth Fw190 for ading would be the A-1:
4 MG17, 2 MG-FF, BMW801C (damn /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , lots of missions will be canceled because of engineoverheat /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ), no gills (worth doing some new skins /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif so far they are only on the texture, not 3D modeled), i think less armour ?!

and sure, the A-6 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 03:47 PM
The grills are only on the texture. Even the openable or closable grills from the A-5 on are not modelled.

BTW: A-4 innitially had "normal" grills (like the BMW Z3 has => all time opened) but was later retrofitted with the new openable or closeable grills.

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:37 PM
The cooling gills evidently were not a major modification and could be done in the field workshops.

And yes, a boosted A-6 would rock.


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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 05:40 PM
Those are would be great addition. But i am willing to give that up for making bomb rack on late FW - A`s optional. That darn thing is killing it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 06:13 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:

- Those are would be great addition. But i am willing
- to give that up for making bomb rack on late FW -
- A`s optional. That darn thing is killing it.


I believe Oleg has said he did not model the drag of the bombrack.

It would be nice to have the option to delete it though.

I'm also with CHDT, it would be great to be able to remove the outer cannons of FW190A-8 and A-9 to increase agility.

Also, the FW190F-9 would rock. An F-8 with the engine of the A-9/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 06:36 PM
i believe bombrack effect is model

test a5 with bombrack is has then almost same handling


Message Edited on 06/25/0309:00PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 06:53 PM
If the bombrack does in fact have an effect on handling and/or top speed, that's another great reason to have the option to delete it, along with the outer guns.

Would be more work for flight model though.

I bet it doesn't happen due to other priorities and time constraints.




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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 09:54 PM
A bump for the A-6 ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-25-2003, 11:21 PM
danke csthor,

dann ist es eine feldmodifikation, wie es auch bei den p39 gabs an ostfront,
da haben die mechaniker auch ├┬Ąnderungen nach den w├╝nschen der piloten gemacht



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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:19 AM
A little bump for my beloved A's and D's!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:43 PM
with remove bombrack and outcannon for 190

i will see performance a9 without bombrack and outercannon and less armor


then 2300ps with 4000kg,

similar maneuver as a5 with much better accelerate,climb and speed increase too 18km/h at sealevel

without outercannon + 10km/h
without bombrack + 8km/h

20mm will increase with patch,
many a8/a9 are fly without outercannon in real,
2 20mm and 2 13mm reach to downed a fighter

it will make fb more interesting to fly 190