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XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:36 AM
Another stupid OT thread like
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yyygb
Yadayada!

The recomendation to buyers is as allways; Wait!
http://overclockers.com/tips00460/
Or! Buy one today that will run your games of today as well as they can and be happy. Tomorrow is another day with unknown possibilities!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/fx5900-r9800_23.html

Master

PS! Im happy/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif w it!

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:36 AM
Another stupid OT thread like
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=yyygb
Yadayada!

The recomendation to buyers is as allways; Wait!
http://overclockers.com/tips00460/
Or! Buy one today that will run your games of today as well as they can and be happy. Tomorrow is another day with unknown possibilities!
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/fx5900-r9800_23.html

Master

PS! Im happy/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif w it!

XyZspineZyX
09-15-2003, 11:45 AM
"I have a GfFX 5900"

i feel sorry for you



:-)

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 12:25 AM
Well the only reason to wait if you want a card this year is waiting for the 9800xt to arrive so it lower the prices on the 9800 or even 9700:s. There is no new generation coming out this year from nVidia or ATI just overclocked versions of the same chips.

So either you get a 9700 PRO which could be held for quite little I would think or you wait for the R420 or NV40. The NV40 can´t hide it´s ugly head like they could with the NV3X so it better perform good in dx 9 from the start if people are supposed to buy it.

Like me. I always hope nVidia will perform a winner with their next generation since they have official support for stereo3d glasses which ATI refuses to have but buying nVidia these days is really quite a downgrade really... They do just about everything wrong these days.

That is one big reason I am so pi$$ed off at nVidia even if I am running ATI hardware...

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:23 AM
I could care less about games coming out. NR2003 is the last Papy Nascar game from them. They put all kinds of physics for other kinds of race cars in the code. A ton of mods are coming out for it, and will keep the game fresh for years to come.

Grand Prix Legends is the same way. Tons of mods coming out for it.

For flight sims we have FB and Lock-On which don't need a Directx9.

All these games run perfect on a 5900 Ultra card.

Pfffffft to future FPS games.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:28 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:35 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:36 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 02:33 AM
Of course if you only play ancient games you don´t even need a 5900 ULTRA. Then you should opt for a Geforce 3 for 30$.

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:04 AM
Not a bad card but in my opinion not worth the money /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 03:10 AM
Well it certainly is a crappy dx 9 and open gl 2.0 card that´s for sure...

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:09 AM
Well I'm a proud owner of a Radeon 9700Pro but I'd say not to discount the FX5900 just yet. While the other FX cards were a serious flop from the start the FX5900 has proven to be of decent design and a good recoup for nVidia after their initial faltering.

While apparently the cards architecture isn't as good as the ATI one for DX9 stuff, the drivers should help with that problem. Apparently the card also has a few functions unsupported by current DX9 standards that should be activated in a future DX9 release (some kind of 2x4 rather than 1x8 on ATI - I didn't understand but I knew it had something to do with performance).

I wouldn't count it out. I'm also a little suspicious of Valve at the moment...its good buisness for them however and I am very pleased with the recent ATI hardware. I hope nVidia's current state doesn't discourage them into making substandard hardware the next time out.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:18 AM
oeqvist

NR2003, FB, and Lock-On are ancient games?

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 04:27 AM
but they use ancient technology.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:35 AM
You should find a dictionary, and look up the word ancient.

If you have no interest in FPS games(me). Name one game that's out now, or is coming out in the near future that the 5900 doesn't run just fine?

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:37 AM
Tomb raider, AOD, its out like 1 or 2 months ago.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 05:40 AM
I like sims, not kiddie games.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 01:15 PM
IL 2 NR 2003 and all the games you mentioned are dx 8. And dx 8 is being more and more ancient history by now. But if you are a flight sim junky I yet don´t know of any flight sims which utilize dx 9 so if you only play il 2 or lomac for the upcoming 1 or even 2 years you buying the 5900 ULTRA won´t be a disaster.

Games that will suck on the 5900 ULTRA is all dx 9 games utilizing PS 2.0 like DOOM 3, Half Life 2, HALO. there is a lot more dx 9 coming early 2004 especially.

The 5900 ULTRA has finally got the same fate as the NV30. Looking at the spec it seems awesome but then people saw what it really was. The NV35 seemed to be a big improvememt (I thought so to) but then the ugly truth comes out.

Yes the 5900 ULTRA will run the future games but not fine and not in dx 9 mode generally. Dx 8.1 mode to get decent performance out of it. Thus you loose all the IQ advancements with DX 9.

Both NV30 and NV35 is supposed to be dx 9 cards and if you pay 400$ for a video card you would expect to get top performance even in future games wouldn´t you think?

Just check in other forums what people think about this. www.hardforums.com, (http://www.hardforums.com,) www.nvnews.net, (http://www.nvnews.net,) www.beyond3d.net (http://www.beyond3d.net) etc etc.

This isn´t a joke. It´s fact by now.

Zayets
09-16-2003, 03:10 PM
Any advice what should I do with my S3 Virge 2MB full 2D card? Ok , ok , I will stick it up my! I'm planning to build a low end PC to install vector linux on it. i have this card , a P4 1.4 Ghz and a bad 512 MB ram stick. Looking for a motherboard now. I don't need a case.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 06:21 PM
Zayets wrote:
- Any advice what should I do with my S3 Virge
- 2MB full 2D card? Ok , ok , I will stick it
- up my! I'm planning to build a low end PC to
- install vector linux on it. i have this card , a P4
- 1.4 Ghz and a bad 512 MB ram stick. Looking for a
- motherboard now. I don't need a case.
-
-
- Zayets out

You are a brave soul. You got my respect holding on to it.

And is it anxient times??

Zayets
09-16-2003, 06:31 PM
oeqvist,
I was trying to lure one of my cousins with this card 2 years ago but he was not impressed by the multicoloured box the card was wrapped in. Since then , no bids for my beautiful single chip onboard card. So , few months ago I was doing some cleanup and found her. I know that I could get 50 cents on it but I'm sure postal taxes are higher , hence my idea about a low end system to keep it as router.
Oh my good , what memories! FU1 , FU2 , Doom1 , Doom2 , Duke Nukem , Panzer General , geez I miss those times!

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 06:47 PM
oeqvist

I know all about your future FPS games. We'll see how it turns out.

My point is if your into sims. Whether they be race sims, or flight sims. Your fine with the 5900 for a long time.

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XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:35 PM
Rocrawler wrote:
- oeqvist
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- I know all about your future FPS games. We'll see
- how it turns out.
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- My point is if your into sims. Whether they be
- race sims, or flight sims. Your fine with the 5900
- for a long time.

We have already seen how it turned out...

Depends on two things wether you are fine or not. What kind of gamer you are and wether they will be dx 9 or dx 8. If you are the genre type of gamer that sticks to one game for several years you will be fine with NR 2003 and IL 2 FB. And also if you don´t need the latest and greatest and are not looking for bang for the buck.

But sims generally trails the fps/rts market so I don´t think it will take long where most new flight sim or rally sim releases are dx 9 so I do think that these applies to most game genres except for turn based games, the sims and chess games...

XyZspineZyX
09-16-2003, 09:43 PM
I suck at FPS games. So I won't change cards for just that kind of game. I may try HL2 for laughs, but not serious enough to change cards if it doesn't look 100%. With my crappy eyesight. I don't see the fine detail difference anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 01:50 PM
Quote from Anandtech...

Ouch, looks like NVIDIA doesn't like its cards being shown in a poor light in DX9 tests. Thanks to GTaudiophile from our forums for originally posting the link to Gamers Depot.

EIDOS Interactive, the publisher for Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness issued a patch a couple of weeks ago for the game which happened to include a way to use the game as a DX9 benchmark. Since it shows NVIDIA hardware performing slower than ATI, EIDOS has pulled it down. Remember, this is a "Way it's meant to be played" game, which means NVIDIA has paid EIDOS marketing money.

Here's is a blurb from the press release:

It has come to the attention of Eidos that an unreleased patch for Tomb Raider: AOD has unfortunately been used as the basis for videocard benchmarking. While Eidos and Core appreciate the need for modern benchmarking software that utilizes the advanced shading capabilities of modern graphics hardware, Tomb Raider: AOD Patch 49 was never intended for public release and is not a basis for valid benchmarking comparisons. Core and Eidos believe that Tomb Raider: AOD performs exceptionally well on NVIDIA hardware.

** UPDATE 9/17**

Thanks to Adul for these quotes from Dave Baumann of Beyond3D:

That type of thing has already happened. Have you heard of the problem with the water shader in Tiger Woods 2003? It works on NVIDIA's boards, but not any others. Evidently there is a device ID detect in there - if you change another shader enabled board to an NVIDIA device id it runs the NVIDIA shader, not only that but it runs it fine - change the device ID of an NVIDIA board to a non-NVIDIA board and it breaks. Ask EA who wrote that shader code.

And the Reverend:

I am just totally amazed by the lengths NVIDIA are going through to try and limit the defiency between their hardware and ATI's. I understand it but I am amazed they are actually doing it. This TRAOD/Eidos incidence is just very probably the last straw for me when it comes to any remaining respect I may have for a company that I once admired

/quote

how did nVidia so quickly become the bad boy in the PC industry? Their reputation is even lower than Microsoft these days and they are pulling more dirty tricks every day...

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:19 PM
Look at the pool @ Hard[OCP] http://www.hardocp.com in the right side of the main page 5300 people already voted that if they had to buy today a vodeocard it will be ATI and belive me one thing , these guys understand hardware .
90 % are for ATI purchase and 9 % for Nvidia .
Nvidia was once great , now is ATI , future will tell who will be the next .



Message Edited on 09/17/0301:21PM by R.D.D

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 02:33 PM
Well, they've got the Dr Frankesnstein boys who worked on the Voodo 5000 at 3DFx to make the new GeforceFx line!. Personally, I think Vave is playing fair and isn't selling Nvidia out because they've a deal with ATI simply because hardware drives software, not vice-verse. A few HL2 enthusiasts may build new PCs or upgrade their graphics cards to play HL2.0, but the majority will play the game on existing hardware. Since Nvidia has the largest market share, Valve would be cutting into their own profits if they sent out a messege to people with Nvidia GeforceFX class cards saying that HL2 won't run well on their machines. The reason why Valve made such a strong announcement is probably because they had to make lots of special optimisations specifically for GeForceFX hardware. Not only does doing this sort of thing eat up compay resources, but it negates the idea of an API. All hardware certified for an API should be ablre to run code written using that API without any optimisation at all. Having to rewrite code for Nvidia hardware is as ridiculous as having to write seperate Java code for Macs and PCs. Java's supposed o run on any machine! You shouldn't have to recompile it! Anyway, I'm glad I've a Radeon9700 Pro!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:25 AM
Of course they aren´t going to leave nVidia users in the dark. If that was the case HL 2 was going to be released the 30 september as scheduled that I am sure of. As Gabe Newell said they had spend 5 times more optimizing for the NV3X-series than for the Radeons.

It isn´t in Valves interest to neglect over 50 % of the market...

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:28 AM
I have a GfFX5800, I runs 45fps in average with Perfect Setting. For only $269 made by Asus, I never find a better deal in this day with others.

But the 9700 and 9800 are great cards too, and tell you a secret the 9500Pro would get about the same frame rate. System memory and CPU does much more differences in fps after the 1.11 graphic fixed.

My oldie Althon1400 system with Gefore 3 now runs Perfect Setting in about 25fps with S3TC enabled under 1.11. Very smooth and no more artifact in the far away landscape.

It's like a dead man walk out from grave, 7fps with crazy artifact as I can recall my old G3 before 1.11

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:46 AM
HL2

http://files.worthplaying.com/files/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=150

We've been rather busy, in your, absence, Mr. Freeman.

I'd recommend downloading the G-Man trailer first, as it is the smallest one that gives you an idea of just how much they have done in Half Life 2.

It you find that one interesting, hl2-barricade should give you an interesting view of what *else* they have done. According to the dev team, that is *not* a scripted sequence, that is full AI reacting to player actions. If that is indicative of how the AI in HL2 will operate...

If you want to get the whole mess, then download the E3 trailer, and get everything, abit in poorer quality, with comments from the dev team, and at the end, you get a good view of what Direct X 9.0 can do, that 8 cannot, as Gordon Freeman goes up against an alien AFU and loses, badly.

Well well. Isn't this just like, oldtimes?"

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