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JoelEzioPinto
07-22-2009, 10:12 AM
BTW THIS IS MY FIRST REAL POST =P
Ok, So i have been doing some research into Assassins i have run into a couple of Articles, lol actually many i have read over 300+ pages so far and i have noticed a lot of them connect to AC1, i will post a portion of the article and then i'll point out the Obvious =P.

Article
It is a common myth that the word assassin comes from the Arabic word haschishin for hashish user.

The story is that al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah used hashish to enlist the aid of young men into his private army known as assassins (aschishin - or follower of Hassan). One of the primary sources for this information comes from the writings of Marco Polo who visited the area in 1273, almost 150 years after the reign of Al-Hassan.

There are many conflicting facts and sources for this information.

In the early 11th century, al-Hassan became the head of the Persian sect of the Ismailians, a rather obscure party of fanatics which gained local power under his guidance. In 1090, al-Hassan and his followers seized the castle of Alamut, in the province of Rudbar, which lies in the mountainous region south of the Caspian Sea. It was from this mountain home that he obtained evil celebrity among the Crusaders as "the old man of the mountains", and spread terror through the Mohammedan world.

In the account given by Marco Polo in "The Adventures [or Travels] of Marco Polo" it is told that "The Old Man kept at his court such boys of twelve years old as seemed to him destined to become courageous men. When the Old Man sent them into the garden in groups of four, ten or twenty, he gave them hashish to drink. They slept for three days, then they were carried sleeping into the garden where he had them awakened.

"When these young men woke, and found themselves in the garden with all these marvelous things, they truly believed themselves to be in paradise. And these damsels were always with them in songs and great entertainments; they; received everything they asked for, so that they would never have left that garden of their own will."

When the Old Man wished to kill someone, he would take a young man and tell him they could return to Paradise if they entered his service and followed his instructions or died in his service.

From this account it is farily clear that hashish was not the substance used. First, hashish is seldom prepared in a liquid form Hassan would drug young men with a substance which "cast them into a deep sleep" from which they could not be awakened. They were then carried to a beautiful secret garden which was impenetrable and unseen by any but those intended to be his haschishin. When they awoke in the garden, surrounded by beautiful naked women and boys, they were told that they were in Paradise. After a few hours of bliss, they were again made unconscious with the unknown substance. Awakening back in the presence of "The Old Man of the Mountain" they were told that he had given them this glimpse of Paradise and that they would go to Paradise if they entered his service and followed his instructions or died in his service. Thus, he recruited an army of assassins who were the first terrorist gang.

It is from this story that the connection between the words assassin and hashish is drawn. It is said that the word assassin comes from the Arabic word haschishin for hashish user. But Hassan and his followers didn't speak Arabic; they were Persians. Assassin comes from Hassassin -- a follower of Hassan.

Hassan, in fact, was a hashish prohibitionist. He argued that the Koran's ban on alcohol was a ban on all intoxicants, so his assassins were drug free terrorists. Except in the false Paradise where they were served wine as one of the joys of heaven. So, it is desire for alcohol not hashish that helped motivate the Assassins.

(My point-outs)

Of First of there is no clue of Altair, BUT there is al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah, which resembles Al Mualim, ok how do we know this represents Al Mualim? First of all it says that al-Hassan and his followers seized the castle of Alamut, in the province of Rudbar, which lies in the mountainous region south of the Caspian Sea. It was from this mountain home that he obtained evil celebrity among the Crusaders as "the old man of the mountains", and spread terror through the Mohammedan world, So now al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah is know as the old man of the mountain, now what would you call Al Mualim?, who was a old man and lived on higher grounds than the civilians, makes sense so far right? al-Hassan ibn-al-Sabbah aslo had an army of Assassins, Al Mualim also had Assassins. The article also speaks about a Paradise where they drug boys and bring them there believing making them believe that it's paradise, so it talks about paradise with damsels, if you noticed where you fight Al Mualim in the end of AC1 is Paradise and before you fight him you can find damsels there, but it wasnt really paradise becasue in the article the boys were high as a kite =P(Drugged)and in the end of AC1 you really learn that Nothing is real, and everything is permitted reffereing to the "Paradise" in the article.

Thats what i see, this was just a quick post hopefully in the future fill my self with more knowledge and post more Similarities and or Info.

Thanks For Reading, Hope it was worth my effort

EmperorxZurg
07-22-2009, 10:41 AM
um, they actually did take Maysaf as their capital and did speak arabic, they were originally from persia but moved to the holy land. And I remember reading somewhere that they were totally against drugs and they never even wanted to use them

Danvish
07-22-2009, 10:48 AM
Nice man, really nice. Made me thinking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JoelEzioPinto
07-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
um, they actually did take Maysaf as their capital and did speak arabic, they were originally from persia but moved to the holy land. And I remember reading somewhere that they were totally against drugs and they never even wanted to use them

Oh ok so they were against drugs? oh ok. Then can you please explain to me where the Root word from Assassins Came from?, Tell me where they came up with the name hashashin please?, and also the article doesnt say anything about Maysaf so im a bit confused to what your saying:S Sorry

EmperorxZurg
07-22-2009, 10:59 AM
dude u don't have to get so touchy, i just said i think i remember about the drugs, and the root word for the assassins came from hashashin or followers of hashish who was also considered to be a god, not in the drug fashion. but seriously dude, u don't have to get so worked up about it

JoelEzioPinto
07-22-2009, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
dude u don't have to get so touchy, i just said i think i remember about the drugs, and the root word for the assassins came from hashashin or followers of hashish who was also considered to be a god, not in the drug fashion. but seriously dude, u don't have to get so worked up about it

Lol bro it's the way i talk =P no worries, and at the top it says its a common myth, meaning it doesnt have to be true but i just took the article and pointed out some similarities between the Myth and Article. Im not saying your wrong lol and sorry i sounded like was getting worked up :P. plus i was ****ed that i had to write that thing twice because the first time i finished it i accidently cleared it all =P

Grandmaster_Z
07-22-2009, 11:08 AM
http://www.alamut.com/subj/ide...lamut/etymolAss.html (http://www.alamut.com/subj/ideologies/alamut/etymolAss.html)

EmperorxZurg
07-22-2009, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by JoelEzioPinto:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
dude u don't have to get so touchy, i just said i think i remember about the drugs, and the root word for the assassins came from hashashin or followers of hashish who was also considered to be a god, not in the drug fashion. but seriously dude, u don't have to get so worked up about it

Lol bro it's the way i talk =P no worries, and at the top it says its a common myth, meaning it doesnt have to be true but i just took the article and pointed out some similarities between the Myth and Article. Im not saying your wrong lol and sorry i sounded like was getting worked up :P. plus i was ****ed that i had to write that thing twice because the first time i finished it i accidently cleared it all =P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
oh ok man, was a great post though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

JoelEzioPinto
07-22-2009, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JoelEzioPinto:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
dude u don't have to get so touchy, i just said i think i remember about the drugs, and the root word for the assassins came from hashashin or followers of hashish who was also considered to be a god, not in the drug fashion. but seriously dude, u don't have to get so worked up about it

Lol bro it's the way i talk =P no worries, and at the top it says its a common myth, meaning it doesnt have to be true but i just took the article and pointed out some similarities between the Myth and Article. Im not saying your wrong lol and sorry i sounded like was getting worked up :P. plus i was ****ed that i had to write that thing twice because the first time i finished it i accidently cleared it all =P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
oh ok man, was a great post though! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks man, just wanted appreciation ^_^

Danvish
07-22-2009, 11:19 AM
You're done, ladies? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

JoelEzioPinto
07-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Danvish:
You're done, ladies? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
Yes Maam! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Xanatos2007
07-22-2009, 03:09 PM
On the drug thing...

(after Garnier's assassination)
Al Mualim: Leaders will always find ways to make others obey them, and that is what makes them leaders. When words fail they turn to coin. When that fails they turn to baser things; bribes, threats and other forms of trickery. There are plants Altair, herbs from distant lands that can cause a man to take leave of his senses. So great are the pleasures it brings that some men may even become enslaved by it.
Altair: You think they (Garnier's patients) were drugged then? Poisoned?
Al Mualim: Yes, if it truly was as you describe it.
Altair: Herbs... it seems a strange method of control.
Al Mualim: Our enemies have accused me of the same.
Altair: The promise of Paradise...
Al Mualim: They think there's a garden, overflowing with beautiful women. They think I drug you, as Garnier did his men, and temp you with its rewards.
Altair: They don't know the truth of it.
Al Mualim: Which is how it must be.
Altair: But if they knew the truth of it, that all we seek is peace!
Al Mualim: Then they would not fear us, and we would have no hold over them.

This shows that the Assassins, like the Templars, intentionally produced misleading information to help them realise their goals. Of course there's no way to tell for certain without an Animus, but you get the point.

Zackebacke
07-22-2009, 04:45 PM
I must say this game really respects history, and it's cool to see how everything actually fits.

What I don't really understand is why is Lucy an assassin if she knows that the leader was a lying scumbag? lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Xanatos2007
07-22-2009, 06:48 PM
She's a sleeper agent, a dormant assassin/double agent. Hopefully we'll get to see her do something cool in AC2.

Danvish
07-22-2009, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
She's a sleeper agent, a dormant assassin/double agent. Hopefully we'll get to see her do something cool in AC2.

Mmm... doing Desmond? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xanatos2007
07-23-2009, 12:16 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif
Probably like stabbing Vidic or something, something unexpected. If they add romance between characters it would be too cliche and, well, dull. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

NoxieDC
07-23-2009, 01:44 AM
Really good thread. Good to see how Ubisoft put the details. Really good! : )

Hmmm, I wonder if they're still enlisting? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xanatos2007
07-23-2009, 02:31 AM
Speaking of details, I couldn't help but notice they didn't carry the cool hidden blade assassination sound effect from AC1. I missed the sweet metallic song of Altair's hidden blade piercing the corrupt flesh of an equally corrupt being, then enjoying the quick echo of the blade banishing their black souls from this realm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

...and something else I was going to mention but forgot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Danvish
07-23-2009, 02:37 AM
Speaking of details, have you noticed the blood effect in the E3 demo and in the Dev Diary is different?
In the E3 demo, the blood flows out quite the same as it did in the first AC, however in the Dev Diary, the parts they show, the blood looks much thicker.

Xanatos2007
07-23-2009, 03:37 AM
Yeah, I noticed that too. Not sure if it's better or worse though, overall ACII looks more colourful. Not sure I agree with that...

I remember now, I think it would make more sense to have Ezio wear his glove on his left hand to protect his skin from the muzzle blast of his pistol. Just a thought.

A general off-topic question Danvish: do the Israeli military wear shemaghs? I know they issue them to SAS and US Marines, just wondering if they got the idea from you guys first.

Zackebacke
07-23-2009, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I remember now, I think it would make more sense to have Ezio wear his glove on his left hand to protect his skin from the muzzle blast of his pistol. Just a thought.
Wow, Ezio is a *****. xD

Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Speaking of details, I couldn't help but notice they didn't carry the cool hidden blade assassination sound effect from AC1. I missed the sweet metallic song of Altair's hidden blade piercing the corrupt flesh of an equally corrupt being, then enjoying the quick echo of the blade banishing their black souls from this realm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif
I like the new metallic sound. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Sounds more raw and EVUUUL.

Xanatos2007
07-23-2009, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Zackebacke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I remember now, I think it would make more sense to have Ezio wear his glove on his left hand to protect his skin from the muzzle blast of his pistol. Just a thought.
Wow, Ezio is a *****. xD
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good thing my Ezio FACTS thread is closed, or he'd come and assassinate your ***. The virtual padlock is the only thing containing his raging fury! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Speaking of details, I couldn't help but notice they didn't carry the cool hidden blade assassination sound effect from AC1. I missed the sweet metallic song of Altair's hidden blade piercing the corrupt flesh of an equally corrupt being, then enjoying the quick echo of the blade banishing their black souls from this realm... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif
I like the new metallic sound. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Sounds more raw and EVUUUL. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Na, the new sound effect sounds more like a pocket knife than a badass hidden blade.

Danvish
07-23-2009, 04:47 AM
shemaghs?
Maybe some units, I'm not sure. In fact, it's a religious item that muslims wear, so the SAS and Marines use them when operating in Urban Muslim Terrain. (I've just invented the term UMT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)
Maybe our army has some special units like that, don't catch me on the word thought.