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apachence
01-04-2007, 12:10 PM
Hey all,

Quite new here and to IL-2 and finally got 1946 up and running. I?m looking to accelerate the learning curve on this thing.

1) I?m trying to figure out what settings I should fly. Right now, ?Expert? may be a little too much. (How is it possible to fly with Cockpit always on in some planes? You can?t see anything - I had the misfortune of trying this is in a Fiat biplane.) I realize online most people play very close to ?real?. What are those settings?

2) Is there a particular plane or plane(s) that are better for beginners to get the hang of ?the system?. I?ve heard the FW is not a good choice.

3) I got through one training track/demo and almost fell asleep. Are there any training missions available to download that clue you in to some of the ?tricks? with viewing, location, etc.? I don?t want to fly for 20 minutes just to get to the place where I?m supposed to bomb something.

4) My current level of experience is taking down friendly bombers! The ?mission? I flew last night, I was to defend an airfield from attacking p-40s. I was in a Bf-109. My wingmen killed all the enemies before I could close to any of them to 1km. I finally got in a head-on situation with one and managed to shear his wing off...with my wing! COUNT IT! Yeah?I need help! I could swear there are downloadable training packs from some of the squads out there. Does anyone know any good ones?

Thanks. I'm really psyched about the game, but I'm starting to feel a bit turned-off due to the super-difficulty/learning curve. Any help is appreciated.
_AP

dieg777
01-04-2007, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by apachence:
Hey all,

Quite new here and to IL-2 and finally got 1946 up and running. I?m looking to accelerate the learning curve on this thing.

1) I?m trying to figure out what settings I should fly. Right now, ?Expert? may be a little too much. (How is it possible to fly with Cockpit always on in some planes? You can?t see anything - I had the misfortune of trying this is in a Fiat biplane.) I realize online most people play very close to ?real?. What are those settings?

you can chose to fly as you wish offline, however online the server will dictate wether the pit is locked or not.some allow padlock and icons and speedbar and others dont- you have to try them to find what suits you. some pits give better visability than others. I would recommend sticking with the cockpit on as I think it is more immersive.

2) Is there a particular plane or plane(s) that are better for beginners to get the hang of ?the system?. I?ve heard the FW is not a good choice.

I would recommend the hurricane as a good place to start- nice handling and flight caracteristics

3) I got through one training track/demo and almost fell asleep. Are there any training missions available to download that clue you in to some of the ?tricks? with viewing, location, etc.? I don?t want to fly for 20 minutes just to get to the place where I?m supposed to bomb something.

there are many single missions and some training ones over at airwarfare, 20 mins isnt very long to get height and reach target but offline you can accelerate time using the ] key

4) My current level of experience is taking down friendly bombers! The ?mission? I flew last night, I was to defend an airfield from attacking p-40s. I was in a Bf-109. My wingmen killed all the enemies before I could close to any of them to 1km. I finally got in a head-on situation with one and managed to shear his wing off...with my wing! COUNT IT! Yeah?I need help! I could swear there are downloadable training packs from some of the squads out there. Does anyone know any good ones?

try raf campaign from here http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten%5FBattles%5Fa...FFighters/Campaigns/ (http://www.netwings.org/library/Forgotten%5FBattles%5Fand%5FPacific%5FFighters/Campaigns/)

this was for an older version but should work with 4.07

or look at www.airwarfare.com (http://www.airwarfare.com) for more

Thanks. I'm really psyched about the game, but I'm starting to feel a bit turned-off due to the super-difficulty/learning curve. Any help is appreciated.

http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/il2_fb.htm

read the faq, user manual and guides for loads of info
_AP


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BSS_AIJO
01-04-2007, 01:06 PM
Hey

I started with the winter war biplane campaign.
First I flew it with the settings as easy as possible then again with then cranked up. For a while I was even letting autopilot do the take off and landing. Till I got a handle on it myself. It took time though. I doubt there is a way around that. Make traks and rewatch them, you the quicker you can spot bad habits the faster you can train yourself out of them.

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Xiolablu3
01-04-2007, 01:15 PM
YOu can look around with your mouse.

Get used to things in the easy settings, cockpit off, speedbar on.

Keep icons on. F6 padlocks close enemies.

W key is War Emergency power (speed boost)

Just fly like that for a bit in the missions until you get the hang of things.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Skycat_2
01-04-2007, 01:52 PM
I don't think the Fw190 is a good 'learner' plane either, especially if you are trying to keep the cockpit 'on.' The view is too limited, and there is no trim for aelerons or rudder so you'll be fighting the planes natural tendency to roll to the right.

The Hurricane is a smooth flying plane with a good view and lots of guns, but it is slow compared to most planes built after 1940. It used to be the recommended 'noob' plane when FB first came out because it was a stable firing platform and its 12x .303 MG spread a lot of bullets in a small area. I'd warn you, however, that, that popping the nose down too quickly will choke out the engine and cause your engine to die; you have to invert and dive to change to a lower altitude quickly. Also, because there is no 'combat' flap setting, using the flaps can be tricky and abusing them will cause your flaps to jam in the downward position. I don't recall offhand if the Hurricane has adjustable trim other than elevators.

I'd sooner recommend a Bf109 than a Hurricane, especially a version with a nose cannon and with an engine that is suited to the weight of the airframe. The 109 is relatively easy to fly, has a good view from the cockpit, especially over-the-nose, and has a fuel-injected engine. You won't be able to trim all axis, however. Remember to use Shift+F1 to access the 'centered' view on the gunsight.

Another good plane to learn with (at least in the game) is the P-51D -- especially for just flying around. In combat, it is easy to abuse and fly badly unless you learn how to use its speed, but for general aviation it is a good plane to learn in because it has excellent view from the cockpit; all axis are trimmable (and the trim wheels in the cockpit are even animated); and six .50s is a good armanent loadout as you're learning gunnery. The drawbacks are that the P-51D has a fragile engine; the rear fuel tank is always the first filled and the last to be drained (causing center-of-gravity problems); the Mustang isn't at it's best at low altitude; and it is not a superior 'dogfighter.'

One of the trickiest skills is learning how to shoot down bombers that have rear gunners. The rear gunners are very accurate, so lingering on a bomber's 'six o'clock' is dangerous to your health. As you learn how to best tackle bombers in the Quick Mission Builder, consider a plane with a big radial engine so you can absorb some of the enemy's fire ... the Thunderbolt P-47D or P-47D-27 is good for this. The Thunderbolt is fully trimmable, and is fairly steady once trimmed. If you can line up a target, a burst from 8x .50 MGs will do a lot of damage, especially if you have your gun convergence set closer than the default 500 meters. (Convergence is where the bullets fired from separate guns meet, like the center of an 'X'). The Thunderbolt is sluggish to throw around, however, and is not a good 'dogfighter' ... like the Fw190, you should have a height and speed advantage over your enemy, and avoid getting suckered into a scissoring or turning fight.

In general, there is no one 'perfect' plane for all situations. Read over the planes guide to familiarize yourself with each's advantages and disadvantages, and consider your opponents when choosing your plane. Hardball's Aircraft Viewer is an excellent resource for this, although it now needs to be updated for the new planes in 1946.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Sordid_Sinister
01-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by apachence:
I don?t want to fly for 20 minutes just to get to the place where I?m supposed to bomb something.
Il2 is a simulation, that's exactly what it's about. If you want actions, you might want to consider playing something like Air Conflicts.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Orheim
01-04-2007, 02:23 PM
The Brewster B239 is also a very good airplane to start with. It has gotten a bit tricky to trim with later patches, but it is a stable gunplatform, excellent visability and not extreme in any way

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p-11.cAce
01-04-2007, 02:34 PM
When I first started with IL2 I never thought I would fly full switch - now I can't imagine flying any other way. The best advice I was given was to just dive in full switch and claw up the learning curve. My two cents would be:
Invest in HOTAS and TIR (and pedals if possible)
1. Switch everything on -then
2. Switch off ONLY - complex engine management, no external views, no minimap path, and no icons.
3. Many people will say leave the speedbar on - but I think its best to toss it and learn to read the gauges.
4. Once you can get up and down in one piece and read the gauges switch on complex engine mangement.
5. Learn to navigate by comparing the map to your surroundings.
6. Switch off minimap path
7. Learn to scan the sky around you, hold formation, and identify friend from foe.
8. Switch off icons.

Ok now if you are STILL bored flying to target, holding formation, not cooking your engine, not killing your squad mates, and finding your way back home if you end up out there damaged and alone - well this may not be the sim for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

apachence
01-04-2007, 02:40 PM
Hi...thanks so far for the responses.

I'll try the Hurricane and/or 109. The realism settings I'm at right now is basically everying "real", except Complex engine. And Nav/viewing stuff is on like external, icon, etc. I'm hoping that should help out.

Yeah...ya know, this is running on my new laptop and the investment for a new HOTAS stick and Track IR is waaaay overkill for me right now. So, I'm not that hardcore, but that shouldn't exclude me from the fun, no?!?!?


As for the "20-minute" comment - as I am catching some flak - PUN INTENDED, I don't mind the simulation aspect of this game - this is the reason I bought it. I was just looking for a quicker training where I could practice a bombing run, for example, with out taking off first. Or a head on / on my 6 dogfight start, without having to accidently get into it to practice.
---To that end... and aside from what Dieg777 mentioned, any trainer missions out there?

Regards,AP

PFflyer
01-04-2007, 03:03 PM
Apachence,

You can easily fly any plane in the sim under full difficulty settings with a little practice once someone shows you how!

Here is a track you can download and drop into the "records" folder of your IL246' installation:

http://rapidshare.com/files/10245858/190A5_vs._4_ace_spits.ntrk.html

it shows how easy it is to track and shoot down four "ace" spitfires with a 190A5 in your Quick Mission Builder using just the hat-switch on your joystick to track them!
No fancy hardware like track IR is necessary, and is really a waste of money for someone just getting started and seeing if they like the sim or not.

Simply go into the "controls" setup, and set the hat switch "0 degrees" to "look forward", and then set a button on the base of your stick to "look up", and soon with a little practice you will be looking around and tracking objects as simply as turning your head.

Watch the track and notice how most of the time you do not track opponents through the front windscreen anyway, and it all becomes clear.

You lucky bastard!

PFflyer

oFZo
01-04-2007, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by apachence:
I don?t want to fly for 20 minutes just to get to the place where I?m supposed to bomb something.


Then you'd better not start a campaign http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ViktorViktor
01-05-2007, 01:00 AM
The russian planes as a group are generally quite easy to fly (there are some exceptions like the Mig-3, but the lagg5,lagg7,yak9,yak3,p40,p39 are pilot-friendly). When you feel ready for a next step, then try the other nationalities.

The suggestion about the Brewster b239 is a very good one, I must say. Great field of vision, great handling, friendly handling.

madmonkrevenge
01-05-2007, 01:21 AM
Also,

If you want really quick action, learn to use the mission builder. I love to just play for a few minutes sometimes so I'll build a little dog-fight in the mission builder with me facing off against an enemy plane or planes at only three kilometers or so.

After awhile, you'll find yourself making some pretty cool missions. Another cool aspect of this game, in my opinion, is doing tricks. Try landing the Lerche on a moving carrier or opening and closing a seafire's wings in mid-air. That's the great thing about this sim, it can be whatever you want it to be if you can use the mission builder. Personally, I get bored sometimes with only the cockpit on and I like to look at my plane, so I usually only play on servers that allow external.

leadbaloon
01-05-2007, 03:43 AM
If you just want to practise bombing, etc, without the need to take off and land. Try the Quick Mission Builder, you start in the air at an altitude of your choosing, and can select what kind of target you want to attack, whether there will be AAA, and whether or not you will meet any resistance in the form of enemy planes.

You'll start a minute or so away from your target.

Lehnert
01-05-2007, 04:57 AM
Hallo pilots,
some time ago I have created for me some trainingsmissions for me to learn how to start, landing, fight, intercept bombers groundattack, target ships and tanks and to land at a carrier
and so on. All based at the Pearl Habour map with a lot of different planes to fly myself.
All for 1946 and some only for FB-Pacific merged
version.
Take a look and download the file from

http://rapidshare.com/files/10316482/Training_FB_plus_1946.zip.html

It is only round about less 100kB I think.

Have fun !!

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Xiolablu3
01-05-2007, 08:10 AM
you can speed time up to get too the target, also there is a timeskip/skip to next actiuon key.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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