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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:33 PM
Just spent two and a half hours trying to fly a one on one QMB with various a/c, and I hated it! How the heck am I supposed to maneuver into a fighting position if the bloody AI opponent shoots me up before I can get by? I mean EVERY TIME. This cannot suck enough!

The flight charactoristics are inconsistant with the ones established in Il-2, and the fighter on fighter practice I expected to put in on QMB before entering a campaign is impossible. I can't develop any proficiency if the opposition is unbeatable.

Who cares if the video is beautiful if the game is unplayable? Fix this, and fix it soon, or give me my forty bucks back. I'll just go back to flying Il-2 campaigns. It's a more complete product.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:33 PM
Just spent two and a half hours trying to fly a one on one QMB with various a/c, and I hated it! How the heck am I supposed to maneuver into a fighting position if the bloody AI opponent shoots me up before I can get by? I mean EVERY TIME. This cannot suck enough!

The flight charactoristics are inconsistant with the ones established in Il-2, and the fighter on fighter practice I expected to put in on QMB before entering a campaign is impossible. I can't develop any proficiency if the opposition is unbeatable.

Who cares if the video is beautiful if the game is unplayable? Fix this, and fix it soon, or give me my forty bucks back. I'll just go back to flying Il-2 campaigns. It's a more complete product.

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" - LCOL Don Blakeslee, CO, 4th FG, March, 1944

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:37 PM
IBTL

wheres the do not feed the trolls sign?

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:39 PM
I coulod be guessing, but at least wait until wednesday. maybe, just maybe there'll be a patch then.

and no, I do not have any inside information about it.

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:40 PM
There's an easy solution to this problem. DON'T DO HEAD ON ATTACKS AGAINST THE AI. Just evade them. I can't believe this is a problem once you have learned just how accurate the AI is.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:45 PM
The Patch will be releaced on 22 June.

Get a grip persons/personettes. Its not that far away now.


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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:46 PM
lexx, you wouldn't happen to know if Oleg actually works on a sunday, do you?

I'm a crappy pilot, but one hell of a shot.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:48 PM
They should give you your money back, because you don't know how to avoid a headon? I've heard it all now.

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:49 PM
---lexx, you wouldn't happen to know if Oleg actually works
---on a sunday, do you?

I guess he does. We did give him that ulcer, after all.

XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:51 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
" The Patch will be releaced on 22 June."



Ummm and Lexx could you please tell us all the source of this information on the release date of said patch? Since the rest of us are in the dark ambey you could shed some light on the subject?

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 10:54 PM
horseback wrote:
- WHINE!

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XyZspineZyX
06-15-2003, 11:01 PM
In the QMB is a great tool. It alows you to learn the best ways to avoid and counter the AI.

The best way? Pass the one thousand metre mark and dive. I mean really dive so you are forcing him to to the same to keep you in sight. He will break off before you have even passed below him. Suddenly tables are turned and some nifty vertical manuvering, a wingover and you have him now under your guns from anything from a fleeting to a long moment.

How you use those windows of oportunity is up to you.

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Cpt.LoneRanger
06-16-2003, 12:00 AM
Avoiding HeadOn helps, but AI definately needs tuning. There were allready a lot of threads about this:

The AI flies with easy-settings. No stall, no blackout/redout, no overheat and no aircraft damage by speed, etc.

I encountered a funny problem in a campaign mission myself: With P40M the Autopilot dove at 780kph onto a fighter. As I deactivated the A/P, the P40 did, what it always does at this speed: It exploded. Repeated it several times to confirm, but it's a fact: AI doesn't stick to the rules.

Hope June 22nd will bring relief!!!


greets
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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:05 AM
partyanima wrote:
- IBTL
-
- wheres the do not feed the trolls sign?


Yer tiz.

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Leimboy
06-16-2003, 12:10 AM
LOL! Great sign Commie1, where did you find it?

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:13 AM
horseback wrote:
- How
- the heck am I supposed to maneuver into a fighting
- position if the bloody AI opponent shoots me up
- before I can get by? I mean EVERY TIME. This
- cannot suck enough!
-
-i should i put this,hmm..just wiggle a little bit,seems to confuse them ,do a bit of a climb /hammerhead/Immelmann thingy and apply a liberel sprinkling of lead(to taste) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 12:35 AM
Leimboy wrote:
- LOL! Great sign Commie1, where did you find it?


Sorry, I can't remember.

But it deserves an outing every now and then./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:12 AM
Try skidding. Move your rudder either left of right, and let your plane yaw. For some reason AI doesn't deal well with that move.



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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:24 AM
we all do badly, and june 22nd is just rumors, just like the end of april, end of may date rumors nothing official was said not even specifics of the patch.

The pauses and warps actually made me so pi$$ed more then the fms I wound up taking a break for about a month and in the meantime learning 3dsmax5 which is a very good thing while waiting for the patch. I really hope its not a dissapointment and expectations are extremely high since its such a long wait.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 01:25 AM
SHUTUP AND GO RIDE YOUR HORSE!!!! (sry, I had to.)

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 02:15 PM
horseback wrote:
- Just spent two and a half hours trying to fly a one
- on one QMB with various a/c, and I hated it! How
- the heck am I supposed to maneuver into a fighting
- position if the bloody AI opponent shoots me up
- before I can get by? I mean EVERY TIME. This
- cannot suck enough!



Well first of all, STOP trying to win the head on engagement all the time !!

All you have to do, is just before gun range, start a steep turn, so you can be ready to jump on the AI's six.
Time it right, and you will always wind up there.

If you must try the head on pass, than chose a fighter that
has centrally mounted armament, and then commence firing from long range, and use up your ammo. After a little
practice you should be the one winning all the time.

So I really dont see what your problem is.
Because it really isnt that hard. Unless ...you want
to do it your way, and refuse to adapt.
Dont blame the sim for your inflexibility

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:28 PM
To clarify: I was trying the Hurricane IIc on the Bf-109E-4, and I tried it in both aircraft, and when I was flying the Emil, the danged Hurri was opening up at over 500m. and blowing me away. I'm sorry, folks, but wing mounted guns, particularly rifle caliber wing mounted guns, could not hit at that range, much less result in a PK in an a/c with an armored glass windshield and an engine in front of the pilot, much less a separated wing. .303 caliber bullets at that range were essentially BBs in real life application. RAF pilots recorded that they had to get within 300 yards (280m) to get any effect out of the things. I got similar results flying the Hurri, only then I was eating wing mounted cannon rounds, which incidentally, were also harmonized at 60m on the one occasion I managed to get past the so-and-so.

Sharp turns at 600m, hard rolls in an ill-advised attempt to get past his nose, climbing turns, diving turns, it didn't matter what I did, there'd be a series of bangs, and if I was lucky, my engine was on fire. I tried the classic maneuvers for each aircraft when opposing the other, and they didn't work-the AI was using the same &^$%#^$#@(*&^)*&^ Davy Crockett program they used on the Pe-2&8 and the FW-189 gunners.

Hell, yes, I'm frustrated, but I did try much of what was suggested here already, and had to deal with bugs that were weeded out of the original product. Is it unreasonable to vent about something that should not be a problem ("...look Oleg, let's make the AI impossibly good shots to cut down on headon passes, and then let's make that the only choice you have in QMB!")? I thought that FB was supposed to be an advancement built on the original, eliminating its inaccuracies.

Hence my righteous indignation.

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:45 PM
Ummmm . . . . check your armament profiles.
The Hurricane IIc has 4 x 20mm Hispano Suisa CANNONS.

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 08:49 PM
horseback wrote:
- Hence my righteous indignation.



Uh, no.

The Hurricane IIc has 4 20mm cannons. That, plus the fact that you're a crappy pilot leads me to conclude that your indignation is indeed not righteous.




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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 09:05 PM
Hehe - here we go again!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 09:16 PM
horseback wrote:

I was flying the Emil, the danged Hurri was opening
- up at over 500m. and blowing me away.

That will be fixed in the patch yes, old news but very annoying yes. Oleg said from the start that it was wrong (how bullets travel in the sky) and will be fixed in the next patch.

And 4x 20 mm in the wings must have some drawback in how the plane turns, yet it turns like the best.





Message Edited on 06/16/0310:19PM by Slechtvalk

XyZspineZyX
06-16-2003, 09:20 PM
Ouch... Tough crowd/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-21-2004, 11:19 AM
LOL...bump.


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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-21-2004, 11:39 AM
i think we all know that

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Snow_Wolf_
04-21-2004, 11:44 AM
where is that guy with that SIG that say

"Look Noobie we Don't Have the Patch"

I am guessing the starter of this fourm must be use to the MS AI models lol.

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BaldieJr
04-21-2004, 12:46 PM
Ahhh, memories.

I don't miss that nun one bit.

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04-21-2004, 01:25 PM
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