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actionhank1786
12-12-2005, 05:09 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6635752499311348219&q=wwii
haha, i found the answer to the long fought battle over whether or not .50's can take out tiger tanks.
The answer is seemingly...yes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=695254669995864...n%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952546699958648253&q=%22Bomber+shootdown%22+playable%3Atrue)

Ok, had to add this one. It's a navy plane(?) attacking a flight of Betty bombers. That on it's own, while cool would be nothing spectacular, however...when i looked closely (please, tell me if i'm wrong) it looks like these betty's are carrying those Okha's under their bellies. I could swear i saw a 2nd set of wings under those things.
Also, where's the sniper AI!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I had to add these other links i found.
Like this one of P-47s doing their dirty work.
And i thought the V-1 explosion on the ground was overmodelled, ha!
Look at the explosion about 2/3 of the way through when he strafes a "field" that on 2nd viewing is a V-1 site.
HUGE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=752779055479512...e%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue)

nakamura_kenji
12-12-2005, 05:15 AM
see p-47 firing on tank but no dead tank ???0_0???

actionhank1786
12-12-2005, 05:20 AM
It looked like it caught fire towards the end

fighter_966
12-12-2005, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by actionhank1786:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6635752499311348219&q=wwii
haha, i found the answer to the long fought battle over whether or not .50's can take out tiger tanks.
The answer is seemingly...yes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=695254669995864...n%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952546699958648253&q=%22Bomber+shootdown%22+playable%3Atrue)

Ok, had to add this one. It's a navy plane(?) attacking a flight of Betty bombers. That on it's own, while cool would be nothing spectacular, however...when i looked closely (please, tell me if i'm wrong) it looks like these betty's are carrying those Okha's under their bellies. I could swear i saw a 2nd set of wings under those things.
Also, where's the sniper AI!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I had to add these other links i found.
Like this one of P-47s doing their dirty work.
And i thought the V-1 explosion on the ground was overmodelled, ha!
Look at the explosion about 2/3 of the way through when he strafes a "field" that on 2nd viewing is a V-1 site.
HUGE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=752779055479512...e%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue)
If iam not wrong the Tank was Jagdpanther??

actionhank1786
12-12-2005, 05:24 AM
very well could have been.
The description for the video seemed a little unclear itself.
But did you see that V-1 site!?
Or those Betty's!
Great stuff!

nakamura_kenji
12-12-2005, 05:26 AM
that was no tank think seem be something else think also seem already be fire before p-47 fire no seem be any explosion or anything else seem be.

fighter_966
12-12-2005, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by fighter_966:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by actionhank1786:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6635752499311348219&q=wwii
haha, i found the answer to the long fought battle over whether or not .50's can take out tiger tanks.
The answer is seemingly...yes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=695254669995864...n%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952546699958648253&q=%22Bomber+shootdown%22+playable%3Atrue)

Ok, had to add this one. It's a navy plane(?) attacking a flight of Betty bombers. That on it's own, while cool would be nothing spectacular, however...when i looked closely (please, tell me if i'm wrong) it looks like these betty's are carrying those Okha's under their bellies. I could swear i saw a 2nd set of wings under those things.
Also, where's the sniper AI!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I had to add these other links i found.
Like this one of P-47s doing their dirty work.
And i thought the V-1 explosion on the ground was overmodelled, ha!
Look at the explosion about 2/3 of the way through when he strafes a "field" that on 2nd viewing is a V-1 site.
HUGE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=752779055479512...e%22+playable%3A true (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75277905547951258&q=%22P-47+Guncamera+footage%22+playable%3Atrue)
If iam not wrong the Tank was Jagdpanther?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Where is AAA??

Brain32
12-12-2005, 05:34 AM
Yes, something was set on fire, BUT I would say a black "squerish" thing, the picture is not clear enough, I did'n even see the barell of that "tank". Keep trying, although it's impossible, have anybody of you guys ever seen 12,7mm??? Obviously not, because you wouldn't even suggest such things are possible...

nakamura_kenji
12-12-2005, 05:43 AM
anti tank rifle were remove from use for reson if 14.5mm no go penetrate 12.7mm no. maybe be very very lucky strike but no like happen much often at all. they would no have carry rocket/bomb for tank if 12.7mm be good tank killer against japanese/italian tank yes but chance against german tank much no chance be much much small.

bounce bullet of road theory is much dumb as bullet would deform/shatter lose large amount engery so chance penetrate little. only possible think maybe 12.7mm maybe damage track/road wheel but this would take concentrate fire which hard go 400mph as see video bullet no exact hit one spot go all over shotgun be like ^_^

fighter_966
12-12-2005, 05:47 AM
But anyway GOOD CLIPS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

F0_Dark_P
12-12-2005, 05:55 AM
looks like the first one is a Jagdpanther or a Jagdtiger, and the last one that is on fire, my friend thinks is a Sfw251 but it is really hard to se http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

actionhank1786
12-12-2005, 06:01 AM
haha, you guys mistake my post for an overly serious one.
the titles more or less a joke.
A while back (i'm sure a few of you remember) there was a huge argument between everyone and their mother over whether or not .50cal rounds could penetrate Tiger tanks.
It led to name calling, bans, and all kinds of good stuff.
Anyone see those Ohka's though?
Or did i make that up?

LEBillfish
12-12-2005, 06:04 AM
Yes, on a number of the pics of Betty's there where Okha's under them. Nice find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

fighter_966
12-12-2005, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Yes, something was set on fire, BUT I would say a black "squerish" thing, the picture is not clear enough, I did'n even see the barell of that "tank". Keep trying, although it's impossible, have anybody of you guys ever seen 12,7mm??? Obviously not, because you wouldn't even suggest such things are possible...
Iknow its impossible

fighter_966
12-12-2005, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by fighter_966:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
Yes, something was set on fire, BUT I would say a black "squerish" thing, the picture is not clear enough, I did'n even see the barell of that "tank". Keep trying, although it's impossible, have anybody of you guys ever seen 12,7mm??? Obviously not, because you wouldn't even suggest such things are possible...
Iknow its impossible </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I checked the hitting rate of that plane and actually that pilot is as bad shooter as me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Dunkelgrun
12-12-2005, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by actionhank1786:
haha, you guys mistake my post for an overly serious one.
the titles more or less a joke.
A while back (i'm sure a few of you remember) there was a huge argument between everyone and their mother over whether or not .50cal rounds could penetrate Tiger tanks.
It led to name calling, bans, and all kinds of good stuff.
Anyone see those Ohka's though?
Or did i make that up?


Not only could I see them, but the film title rather gives it away: 'OKHA G4M INTERCEPTION'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice find. Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers!

F0_Dark_P
12-12-2005, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
Yes, something was set on fire, BUT I would say a black "squerish" thing, the picture is not clear enough, I did'n even see the barell of that "tank". Keep trying, although it's impossible, have anybody of you guys ever seen 12,7mm??? Obviously not, because you wouldn't even suggest such things are possible...

that "tank" that is burning is a 251 halftrack
fairly sure of it

Kuna15
12-12-2005, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yes, on a number of the pics of Betty's there where Okha's under them. Nice find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yes I was going http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif when I first saw it...
That is the only video I saw featuring Ohka's...

polak5
12-12-2005, 01:16 PM
Im not soo quick to dissmiss this. Hitting the bottom and top of a tank that is 2 and a half centimeters in thickness, seems somewhat plausable to me. But I also must mention the fact of loss in energy by the bullets ricochet, and warping of the bullet itself.

jugent
12-12-2005, 01:40 PM
Its a jerry-can of fuel that burns, a .50 cal projectile cant penetrate tiger armour at any place at any distance, at any angle.
A 25l jerry-can makes a big firer but wont neccesary kill the tank.
A tank can be hit by a 250 kg napalm bomb, and it the hatches are closed and sealed it wont kill the tank.

WTE_Ibis
12-12-2005, 01:48 PM
Note once more how the attack on bombers is almost allways from the rear position. On 90% of guncam attacks I've seen the attack is from the 6 oclock position. In game you're dead.


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Kocur_
12-12-2005, 03:04 PM
Well its just that some genius told those pilots, that tanks, including Tigers, were not armoured at bottomhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif So they did the only reasonable thing in that "situation", i.e. shot to ricochet bullets from ground into tanks... The tiny problem was, that bottoms were armoured too, so what they did was useless. Wonder if any of those pilots was shot down by flak, while flying over German tank formations and trying to throw .50 bullets into tanks through "unarmoured bottom". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif



Anyone see those Ohka's though?
Or did i make that up?

I see Ohkas clearly. Not to mention that first few frames of the clip is writing, which says "OHKA G4M Interception"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Beuf_Ninja
12-12-2005, 03:09 PM
That first one is from guncam footage taken by the 362nd Fighter Group. I saw it in a documentary called "Thunderbolts Conquest of the Reich". The original documentary footage was taken in early spring 1945 at the request of Hap Anorld whilst the Thunderbolts were supporting Pattons push to Berlin. At this point all Thunderbolts are flying three combat missions per day, mainly CAS, rookies average combat lifespan is four hours.

Ken Bullock of the 362nd (46 combat missions) had this to say about .50's and Tiger tanks

"The tanks were very tough, the Tiger tanks they had were really good. Most of them carried a fuel tank behind them in a trailer. So what we would do is not worry about the tank, hit the trailerand set it on fire and if it came loose we would shoot the bullets (.50's) and they would bounce up off the road or whatever they were on and inside the tank cos they weren't armoured plated underneath like they were on the top and the sides" hmm

Xiolablu3
12-12-2005, 03:20 PM
Hmmm , exactly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There is a small explosion by the tracks of the tank, thats all. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the tank was even penetrated. It looks like a can of fuel on the side of the tank was burst, runs down the side of the tank and then a tracer lights it.

Great clips, those 50 cals only score a few hits on those 109's but sure do a lot of damage.

actionhank1786
12-12-2005, 03:32 PM
Aww, i started a fire!