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nakv
11-14-2007, 03:24 PM
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/11/14#1195073220\

Edit:

I totally agree with gabe. Reviewers have to quickly finish games and mechanically note all the faults so that they can put a review up before, or on release day. I can see how that would hamper the experience. this is one game that shouldn't be rushed through.

I haven't read IGN's review, but in the video review the guy marked down the game because in some of the mission objectives all he had to sit through dialogue. It seemed like he was rush through it to me. That's just one example. Obviously this isn't always the case, but it is getting closer to the Christmas season. With so many quality blockbusters coming out in such a little time frame, you can't blame them.

scottbooth92
11-14-2007, 03:29 PM
so basically what hes trying to say is that, whether or not a particular game is advertised on their site, they will give rediculously biast rating to boost sales, advert clicks etc? (or the complete opposite in this scenario)Im not sure im dumb :'(

Raide
11-14-2007, 03:31 PM
Thanks for posting this link Nakv. I noticed this earlier on as I was browsing. It is a pretty good read from the Penny Arcade guys. His comments about having to play a game to a deadline for reviews are so true. Post your comments on what you think about the Penny Arcade comment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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MiniAssasin
11-14-2007, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by nakv:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/11/14#1195073220

QFT

but i dissagree with the guy about PoP2 which i thought was the best one

b-busher
11-14-2007, 03:39 PM
You would swear A/C did terrible looking at all these things forget about ign and eurogamer(both 7,s not terrible)the rest of the reviews are nines and high 8,s.

deskpe
11-14-2007, 03:50 PM
finnaly something to explain the bad reviews! lol
they should give the media a rewiev build [r what its called] as fast as possible, so the peple that are reviewing it gets more time to enjoy the game... to avoid bad reviews lol... if the games good

DeadCorpseAC
11-14-2007, 03:53 PM
The reviewers probably don't do everything that can be done in a game.
They should play all the game to do the reviews, but they don't. Why? To post it before the other sites. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

membernametaken
11-14-2007, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Raide:
Thanks for posting this link Nakv. I noticed this earlier on as I was browsing. It is a pretty good read from the Penny Arcade guys. His comments about having to play a game to a deadline for reviews are so true. Post your comments on what you think about the Penny Arcade comment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It all makes sense, now. 50 hours of gameplay if you do everything is a lot and if you play it casually, like I play games, it should keep me entertained for a long time.

Thanks for posting this.

EDIT: Btw, I was looking through the latest comics and I saw this, I don't think it's been posted before but seeing as how this thread is about Penny Arcade, i'll just toss it up here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071105.jpg (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/05)

SJCHS_Ghost
11-14-2007, 05:21 PM
I suddenly like Penny Arcade a lot more, lol

cooldude6681
11-14-2007, 06:17 PM
Gabe's explanation makes so much sense. Thanks for posting this http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AldirTheKnight
11-14-2007, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by membernametaken:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Raide:
Thanks for posting this link Nakv. I noticed this earlier on as I was browsing. It is a pretty good read from the Penny Arcade guys. His comments about having to play a game to a deadline for reviews are so true. Post your comments on what you think about the Penny Arcade comment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It all makes sense, now. 50 hours of gameplay if you do everything is a lot and if you play it casually, like I play games, it should keep me entertained for a long time.

Thanks for posting this.

EDIT: Btw, I was looking through the latest comics and I saw this, I don't think it's been posted before but seeing as how this thread is about Penny Arcade, i'll just toss it up here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20071105.jpg (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/05) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
actually, I posted it once...

EDIT: lol

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20071112.jpg

SJCHS_Ghost
11-14-2007, 06:56 PM
So do you think then that for example, gamespot took more time reviewing the game?

S.I.N.N.
11-14-2007, 07:11 PM
I know I said this in another post but I bet the IGN reviewr is just a Mass Effect fanboy that was upset AC was keeping him from his screener copy of ME.

Warrior-Within2
11-14-2007, 07:26 PM
I also can't be 100% positive but I'm guessing that some of these reviewers didn't let the credits role. Again, I don't want to spoil anything but wait for the credits to end.

cmkoehler
11-15-2007, 08:23 AM
Wow that makes a lot of sense. I never read Penny Arcade but it looks like those guys do have something going for them besides the comics.

AirRon_2K7
11-15-2007, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by MiniAssasin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakv:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/11/14#1195073220

QFT
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

QFT xD

This is being sigged, and added to the list of reviews, even though it isn't a review.

I think that gamespot DID play this game like it was meant to be played. Just from listening to the way that Kevin (gamespot) talks about the game, it's completely ... COMPLETELY different to how Hilary (IGN US) talks about it.

Nice find. I'm gonna start going to the Penny Arcade more often.

lpcrispo
11-15-2007, 08:57 AM
I have to agree totally with Gabe...
this game is made to take your time exploring... free-running... and killing the templars that you came upon!

not rush trough the storyline....

Pandoraa
11-15-2007, 09:50 AM
I was thinking, wouldnt rating this game really low bring traffic to your site as well, just putting a low score on it makes people want to know why and would bring them in....I dont know.

Lhorkan
11-15-2007, 10:09 AM
Gabe made good points there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I agree with MiniAssasin on PoP2 though, I liked that one best.

NamelessMonkeyX
11-15-2007, 11:20 AM
You guy's freak out too much over something so silly such as a game review. IGN's review was nothing more than one man's opinion. Geez, one person says that game was not as fun for him and did not live up to the hype and everyone goes nuts about it. I myself have enjoyed the game, but after playing most of the day yesterday, and taking my time getting through only the first 2 assassinations, I already feel like I've seen everything there is to see and done everything there is to do... and it's probably true.

endo23
11-15-2007, 11:24 AM
Once you've actually played the game these reviews start to make sense. It seems to be all about how the reviewer approached the world and chose to move through it. This game is HUGE and much of the action is defined by the user-- it's not nearly as linear as some reviewers suggest. If you take your time and immerse yourself, I really don't think there's any other game quite like it. If you rush through and pound out the objectives, you'll have a much sloppier experience and the game will seem half-baked.

To give a concrete example of what I'm talking about: when you first get to Damascus, you need two pieces of info before you can execute the first of your 9 targets. If you rush to collect these and then get your kill, you will know NOTHING about the city, which is massive. Which means you'll probably hit your target badly, get attacked by a bunch of guards, get killed, or flee willy nilly across the rooftops and have to duke it out. Since this isn't what the game "promised"-- you know, stealth killings by a master assassin-- you'll be disappointed. But if you actually take the time to explore all the high points and unlock your map, then perform the side quests, you'll know where all the escape routes are, where to hide and who can help distract the guards after you've pulled off the assassination. And you'll be able to do it in one fluid motion... so again, it's really what YOU make of it and I think some of these reviewers didn't have the time or patience to play the game in this fashion. (And that's a shame, because it's pretty frickin' amazing.)

peaco777
11-15-2007, 02:02 PM
Let's be honest. The article states that the site's owners pride themselves on the fact that they only advertise games they think are good. When I went on, they had an advert for F.E.A.R files, whatever it's called. This game has been universally mauled. Either they're lying, or they have a bad taste in games. Either way, this site isn't reliable, and it's only been made into a topic because it proves your point that this game is the best thing since sliced bread.

AirRon_2K7
11-15-2007, 02:03 PM
You're really quite a sad and lonely person, aren't ya peaco...

peaco777
11-15-2007, 02:07 PM
To Airron. Why? because I posted a message on a forum? I'm sure if you look back, you'll find that you've done a lot more of that than me. There have been many Nay-sayers posting on this forum, why not call them sad and lonely? Admit it. What I said makes sense, whether you want to believe it or not.

AirRon_2K7
11-15-2007, 02:13 PM
No, because this is obviously a forum for fans. You obviously don't like the game, yet you still post here anyway. . .

EDIT: I usually do call the other "nay-sayers" sad and lonely, but usually a tad ruder, depending on how much sense they're making... at least you have the courtesy to type in full sentences. With proper grammar.

Lhorkan
11-15-2007, 02:15 PM
This isn't a forum for fans, it's a forum for Assassin's Creed. ;o

peaco777
11-15-2007, 02:18 PM
I am a fan! I've been looking forward to this game for over a year. I'm getting this game despite the negative reviews. I'm just not deluded enough to think that an article from "pennyarcade" is enough to cancel out/explain negative reviews, especially when there was a glaring contradiction when I visited the site.

nakv
11-15-2007, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by peaco777:
Let's be honest. The article states that the site's owners pride themselves on the fact that they only advertise games they think are good. When I went on, they had an advert for F.E.A.R files, whatever it's called. This game has been universally mauled. Either they're lying, or they have a bad taste in games. Either way, this site isn't reliable, and it's only been made into a topic because it proves your point that this game is the best thing since sliced bread.

Fear Files is pretty much a port with two expansion packs. It's not really anything new. Also, 7/10 reviews isn't anywhere near "universally mauled".

I would take Gabe's recommendation over any review. I started the topic because i thought he brought up some interesting points that I've noticed as well. That's all. I'm no fanboy. Sure, the combat is horrible, and the mission objectives get repetitive over time, but there's enough here that's still worth checking out. The thing that got me interested in Assassin's Creed in the first place was the free running, and it looks like it's quite solid if you believe the reviews.

endo23
11-15-2007, 06:43 PM
Regardless of Penny Arcade, I'd had the same notion about how reviewers approached AC... in fact I read the Penny Arcade piece AFTER posting my thoughts above, so I was shocked at how similar their take was.

Again, it will be obvious to you once you play the game. You will see how vast the world is and how much of the gameplay is optional/user-defined. Do as much or as little as you want-- but I think the people who invest more time in the game will simply like it better than those who race through the missions. This would account for the wild discrepancies in review scores.

And btw, I don't think AC is the best thing since sliced bread, er, Bioschock-- my jury is still out... but I'm impressed thus far.

SkullSoldier
11-15-2007, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by NamelessMonkeyX:
You guy's freak out too much over something so silly such as a game review. IGN's review was nothing more than one man's opinion. Geez, one person says that game was not as fun for him and did not live up to the hype and everyone goes nuts about it.

Well the thing is people tend to buy games based on reviews, there is a large number of people that read and respect (How I don't know) IGN's opinion. So by IGN giving AC a bad review lowers the amount of sales AC gets.

You say you'll buy it anyway, fair enough. So will I and so will most the people on this forum cause it's mostly fans but then there'st eh average joe just looking for a fun game you know. It makes a difference, it's why reviews are there..

Captain_Spandex
11-15-2007, 11:49 PM
Being an employee at Gamestop, I can tell you from first-hand experience that IGN's review hasn't effected sales. I work at one of the highest volume stores in the region, and by noon on launch day, we had no product left.

I think game reviewers should have had a self-imposed rule: Until you kill ALL THE TEMPLARS - you can't write a review. God, is there anything more satisfying than assassinating those guys?