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F0_Dark_P
01-19-2010, 02:13 PM
Hi guys i have been quite annoyed this couple of days the thing is that my joystick is to tall!.

Ok my English is not the best so it is hard for me to explain.. but anyway here we go. i have a CH Fighter stick, it is not that i dont love it, i have not had a better quality joystick then the CH but when i have the stick standing on my desk it gets to high up for me and it is hard for me to make small precise moments with it.

I have somewhat fixed it with holding it down the base and changed the firing buttons to the "pinky finger button", and the "thumb hat switch" and discarding the rest of the buttons.

This works ok but it is not ergonomically 100%, so i am looking for a joystick that fills my needs but i cant find any small sticks like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif , all i find is arcade style sticks like my old Amiga 500 Tack 2 stick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAC-2

No! i am looking for a good quality stick like the CH Fighter stick, but half the hight, no bigger then my hand and with more buttons then two.

Do you guys know if there is anything like this exists out there?

Regards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
01-19-2010, 02:27 PM
Taller chair?

F0_Dark_P
01-19-2010, 02:45 PM
Tried that but then my knees are crushed under the desk...

Frankthetank36
01-19-2010, 03:18 PM
I guess I'm not the only one who's noticed that all the high-end sticks look like they're made for a 7 foot tall guy. Using a cheapo Logitech Extreme 3D Pro because it is perfect ergonomically, though nowhere near as precise as something like a CH. It does have more buttons, but not a ton of hat switches like the Fighterstick (not sure what the purpose of having multiple hats is anyway).

Urufu_Shinjiro
01-19-2010, 03:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...511050208#5511050208 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=5511050208#5511050208)

horseback
01-19-2010, 03:29 PM
I think it would be hard to find a 'short' joystick. You might want to try putting the stick on your keyboard tray, which is usually 5-10cm lower than your desktop.

I have a desk with a slideout keyboard tray. When I'm playing a flight sim, I move the keyboard to the desktop and put my Combatstick, Pro Throttle and Saitek Game Commander on the keyboard tray. I cut a T-shaped piece of 1/2" (13mm) plywood to keep the tray from sliding back in, and cut out squares to put the stick and throttle in, so they don't move around too much.

I find it to be very ergonomic; my stick and throttle are always in the same place when I play, and the keyboard is still in reach (although I rarely use it--the Game Commander gives me another 20+ buttons to assign).

If your desk doesn't have a keyboard tray, I have seen heavy duty plastic ones that can be added to a desk or table at computer and office supply stores.

cheers

horseback

horseback
01-19-2010, 03:53 PM
Using a cheapo Logitech Extreme 3D Pro because it is perfect ergonomically, though nowhere near as precise as something like a CH. It does have more buttons, but not a ton of hat switches like the Fighterstick (not sure what the purpose of having multiple hats is anyway). Frank, the hats are extra buttons you can assign what you would have use the keyboard for now; my Combatstick has the one 4-way hat on the top; I use it for toggling the gunsight settings on the left position, toggling FOV by pushing it to the right, radio comms by pushing it forward, and Wide FOV (saves time when you need to look around RIGHT NOW) when I click it back. I can do all these things without having to look at what I'm doing, as I would with the keyboard button assignments, after taking my hand off the throttle. The stick alone gives me perfectly placed triggers for both cannon and MGs, plus 10 more buttons to assign as I wish (again, since I have a TIR, the POV hat becomes another 4-way hat, which is used for elevator and rudder trim buttons).

Between the three 4-way hats (the 8-way POV hat is used like a regular 4-way hat) on my Pro Throttle, I have things like prop pitch, supercharger, gunsight reticule, flaps, mixture,and centering for my TrackIR at the fingers of my left hand without taking it off the throttle or my eyes off the screen.

Because of where I place the stick and throttle, I think that my setup is much more physically comfortable and higher quality than it would be if I just settled for a short stick. It also gives me over 30 no-look buttons for various controls, which is no small thing either.

If you're going to buy a quality stick, as FO_Dark_P has, the thing to do is to make best use of it by putting it where it is most comfortable for you to control it instead of having it where your arm and shoulder are at uncomfortable angles.

cheers

horseback

Ba5tard5word
01-19-2010, 03:59 PM
I recently got a CH combatstick, it's definitely massive and hurt my hand at first but I've gotten used to it and really like it, it's very loose and fluid.

I used to use a Logitech 3D Extreme Pro, much cheaper than the CH stick and pedals. The stick is probably as tall or taller than the CH one, but the top area of it with all the buttons and triggers is much smaller and fits easily inside my hand. With the CH one I feel like I really have to reach around to hit some of the buttons, again I'm used to it now but it doesn't feel like a natural fit in my hand like the Logitech stick did. Maybe take a look at other Logitech sticks. The twist on the 3D extreme pro is ok and saves you a ton of money on rudder pedals, but it hurt my wrist eventually and wasn't really good for much more than landing because it wasn't as precise for rudder as pedals, also it's hard to get used to.

AndyJWest
01-19-2010, 04:00 PM
Another alternative is to fix the joystick to a piece of plywood or similar, and have that on your lap. This is what I use. It is big enough (30 cm x 45 cm x 1 cm) and heavy enough that it doesn't move around. I've also got a gamepad fixed to it as a second controller.

F0_Dark_P
01-19-2010, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
Another alternative is to fix the joystick to a piece of plywood or similar, and have that on your lap. This is what I use. It is big enough (30 cm x 45 cm x 1 cm) and heavy enough that it doesn't move around. I've also got a gamepad fixed to it as a second controller.

I could try to get something like that when i go to work tomorrow and try http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But it is not exactly what i need i think, i want a short stick so i can rest my hand on the desk at the same time as i hold the stick

something like this http://www.gsna.com/products/joysticks.aspx but i need more buttons and hat switches http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

btw before someone comments about it, i have thought of a xbox controller but the axes sucks you wont get the same precision like the CH stick

Romanator21
01-19-2010, 04:35 PM
What I would like to see one day is a joy with detachable/ interchangeable stick. This would make it infinitely more portable, and have several styles of handle available to suit the user.

Frankthetank36
01-19-2010, 04:50 PM
The high-end stick that I was really wanting for a while was the g940, tons of features and FFB... But MAN, that thing looks uncomfortable (worse than CH). The only CH product I've personally tried was that Throttle Quad that I use (it's great except that you need to move your hand around between the various axes and buttons, but you'll never wish you had more axes again). I have tried my friend's X45 and it feels absolutely HUGE (well, maybe it's just because I'm a short guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). Now, if Logitech would just package the FFB version of the 3D pro with a throttle and pedals and give the thing more buttons and more precision it would be fantastic. They simply could not have designed a more comfortable handle, and it has just the right amount of tension (once you get away from the bit of slop around the center).

Monterey13
01-19-2010, 04:50 PM
Cut a square hole in your desk, then install a set of 4 standoffs underneath, at each corner (3", or however deep you want to go), and attach a board onto the other end of them. Then, just set your stick down in the hole. Hopefully, you can just get the base down into the countersink, and the rest of the stick will be above the desk, with you being able to rest your arm on the desk.

Chivas
01-19-2010, 06:21 PM
Like horseback I use my keyboard tray, but have a peice of wood hinged to the keyboard tray, with the joystick velcro'd to it. This way when I'm not flying I just hinge the joystick under my desk out of the way.

FoolTrottel
01-19-2010, 10:45 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Joystick.jpg

R_Target
01-19-2010, 11:29 PM
This was my solution. The entire stick support slides into and out of a tow-hitch style receiver on the bottom of the chair. The throttle slides down into a small receiver mounted on the chair arm. I can set up or break down all my gear in about 20 seconds.

http://i45.tinypic.com/24q1svp.jpg

Chivas
01-20-2010, 01:09 AM
Very nice Target. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
01-20-2010, 01:37 AM
1. Get a waste paper basket and turn it upside down.
2. Position waste paper basket in front of your chair.
3. Put you CH stick on top of the basket. Stick a book under it for extra height if needed.
4. When stick is at correct height and position, you are ready to play.

Simple but effective. It's such an immersion killer to have the joystick up at chest height, or on the right hand side like Maverick. Unless you've got a right arm like a T-Rex, it just feels wrong. Position the thing where a real WW2 fighters control colomn should be. You'll be glad you did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sokol__1
01-20-2010, 07:10 AM
Look this solution:

http://snomhf.exofire.net/fighterRunt.html

Main HAT CH sticks are too high - more than Cougar - a adjustable high hand rest are a good option - since this stick is more "lookalike" F-16 than "replica".

Sokol1

F16_Neo
01-20-2010, 02:02 PM
You got one of the best sticks, and no comparable stick is significantly lower.
I got the same stick, and yea, it stands a bit tall.

Works fine with me though, best stick I ever had. Works nicely while resting the arm on the chair's armrest.
Get a chair where you can adjust armrest?

My only problem with it was that it was slightly too light, and it moved all about in the heat.
Corrected with metal inlays in the desk combined with neodym magnets instead of rubber feet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thefruitbat
01-20-2010, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by R_Target:
This was my solution. The entire stick support slides into and out of a tow-hitch style receiver on the bottom of the chair. The throttle slides down into a small receiver mounted on the chair arm. I can set up or break down all my gear in about 20 seconds.

http://i45.tinypic.com/24q1svp.jpg

Now thats nice, i want i want http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

LEBillfish
01-20-2010, 02:14 PM
Actually the longer the stick the more precise it is in that you must move a greater distance to accomplish the same deflection.....However, what is NOT precise is the stability of being able to rest your arm somewhere.....Combined with me being no doubt much smaller then you, tall sticks really are a big problem for me.

My solution simple......I just don't use the triggers and buttons the stick only controlling pitch, yaw, and roll. So, I rest my hand on the stick base, my forearm resting on the desk all nice and stable.....All the rest I perform via the keyboard, and there is an added benefit to that.

Unless you are using a hotas setup with a second controller, when you pull the trigger(s) or press the buttons on the flight stick you actually make minor adjustments to the flight path.....For some it's negligable, others significant, yet I have seen some guys that you knew were about to fire as the aircraft would suddenly pitch up hard (them pulling back on the stick as they pulled the trigger).

By using the keyboard firing your weapons has no effect on the flight path, and you have even an extra amount of control in that your arm is resting on the table top if the keyboard is infront of the stick.

K2

Outlaw---
01-21-2010, 11:48 AM
Just do this and you'll be good to go.

http://www.whtboys.org/cockpit/back.jpg

--Outlaw.

NuMcA_of_CS
01-25-2010, 02:34 AM
How about this:

Original post here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...091036108#4091036108 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/4091036108?r=4091036108#4091036108)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuMcA_of_CS:
I am creating a PCB board for my Flight Console "ICARUS ONE" (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/5271012437?r=8271062247#8271062247) and i have been a whole week without it! I could not take no more without IL2, so i started using my old MiniStick (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/6401062866?r=3101025937#3101025937).. But shown i felt it was not good enough.. So, i did a brand new PCB (it's PCB-age for me now) and hooked up a BU0836 to it, directly on board. I also added 2 new high precision joystick-potentiometers and some more buttons.
Now it features 8 axis:
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<LI> Elevator
<LI> Rudder
<LI> Right Engine throttle
<LI> Left Engine throttle
<LI> Prop.pitch
<LI> Flaps
<LI> Brakes
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..and 12 buttons, with integrated software-controlled trim on all axis.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
01-27-2010, 06:03 AM
Try the CH Flightstick Pro. My 12 year old son uses it with no problems reaching the three buttons or hat. I used it for years and it has a shorter throw and shorter handle than either the Fighterstick or the Combatstck while retaining the same precision and durability.