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Loki-PF
01-02-2005, 11:59 AM
Salute all!

I know there are several former/current Naval Aviators that frequent these boards. I was hoping to solicit your advice. I'm having quite a bit of trouble landing with battle damaged wings. Not control surfaces or without a major component like ailerons, but just plain old battle damaged wing surfaces.

Countless times I have fought my way through campaign missions or long co-ops and limped back to homeplate, only to wad it into the fantail or the island. Mind you, I'm not *completely* innept at trapping. With a healthy bird it's usually a snap. But in these situations one of two things happens.

1) I come it at my normal approach speeds and because of battle damage I stall and drop a wing at the worst time possible and usually eat fantail.

2) To avoid above scenario I come in hotter but end up not able to get my tale down and hooked and bolter (best case) or worse case I bounce and do kartwheels down the flight deck!

It seems that the damage model for this situation raises the stall speed significantly.

Is it just a feel thing and will come with more practice? Or are there some specific techniques to landing a crippled bird?

Any advice welcome!

Loki Out

Covino
01-02-2005, 12:25 PM
If you think a carrier landing would be dangerous, you really ought to do what a real pilot would do: ditch in the ocean or bail. Just make sure you don't do either of these IN FRONT of the carrier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. There's no penalty in campaigns for ditching or bailing in your own territory.

If you really want to stay dry, you should come in a little bit faster (you can still feel the edge of a stall when damaged). But remember, you can't come in on the normal flight path when coming in fast or else you'll bounce like crazy and the wire will probably slam you into the deck and make a nice little crater. You gotta come in shallower and make sure you're ready to go full throttle in case you miss the wires (because your tail is already higher than normal due to increased speed).

VBF-83_Hawk
01-02-2005, 12:51 PM
Is it the F4U?

If you get any damage at all on the left wing, your screwed! Damage on the left wing reduces the already dangerous lift component of the left wing thus increasing the stall speed of that wing.

When ever you get left wing damage, I sugest opening the canopy, pulling out your colt .45 and shooting holes in the right wing!

Loki-PF
01-02-2005, 06:54 PM
@Covino
Yea I know ditching is an option. But the amount of damage I'm talking about is not enough to warrant a ditching. I like to fly full real, and a real naval aviator would not ditch his bird in those circumstances. So I'm hoping theres a few trick I can learn to get it on the deck!

@VBF-83_Hawk

Yea its an F4U, sorry I shoulda mentioned that before! DOH! HEHEHHE what gave it away? The dreaded Dropping wing?

VBF-83_Hawk
01-02-2005, 08:13 PM
Yeah, the wing drop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have been able to land with left wing damage but its not easy. Will be better when we have a extra 15kts of wind. Timming is evrything and if you chop the power too soon, he wing goes down and the fun begins!

p1ngu666
01-02-2005, 08:21 PM
well heres a real life tip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

while on rtb, climb abit to a safe alt, drop gear/flaps and take it too the stall and beyond perhaps, if u make a note of speed (ias) ull stall at roughly that speed on way onto carrier, dont go below that speed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and yes, trim would help http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif