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muzzlehead
11-11-2006, 06:29 AM
Hi all,

I've been flying FB for years... and I'm an average pilot.

I already have track ir 4 and saitek x45.

I'm considering upgrading my joystick to the x52 or buying CH USB rudder pedals.

Which will have more likely improve my game?

x52 Joystick or adding CH rudder pedals.

Also my usb hub is craping out on me any recommendations on a good one to intergrate my track/joystick?

ytareh
11-11-2006, 07:02 AM
Well Ive always used a twist stick and never felt the need for rudder pedals.Sure they are more realistic but they are bound to be an inconvenience under your desk.I had a motor racing sim wheel and pedals briefly but couldnt cope with all that clutter on/around the desk.I know guys will say that you must have them ,they say some recent patch made them almost essential .But If you understand the principle of the rudder and turn the twist grip to maneuver ,then surely thats fairly close.In fact its not inconcievable that people could find it hard to coordinate their feet and hand while flying....
Im sure theres someone soon to totally disagree-but sure I love my Logitech Extreme 3d Pro so much I bought a spare and they are suposed to be the worst stick ever...

ytareh
11-11-2006, 07:03 AM
Oh by the way I know the Saitek X45/52 are popular but Ive yet to try a Saitek that didnt have a really limp spring.

wintergoose
11-11-2006, 08:17 AM
Rudder pedals, rudderpedals,rudderpedals.
I used tvisted joystic for a yar but when i bought rudderpedals I entred a "new stage" in the flying.

Philipscdrw
11-11-2006, 08:55 AM
I love my rudder pedals! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TC_Stele
11-11-2006, 09:09 AM
There is no way that I could ever go back to twisty, although there are many in the community who are fine with it, so you take what you like.

When I first used the CH pedals I was not use to them and it took me about a week of flying to get use to it. So don't let the first few days of doubt discourage you from the choice of buying them. You will get use to them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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x6BL_Brando
11-11-2006, 09:22 AM
I agree with Stele...there is a learning curve but it isn't at all steep. Things to avoid are getting into a turn, rudder-assisted, and forgetting to lift your foot back off when you straighten up; also determining how much input you should give in any situation.

A program like Fool_Trottel's IL2 Sticks, or the new IL2Joystick by BS_Oleg, will help you set up the stick sensitivities for all attached controllers. Thus saving you from manual conf.ini configuring.

Eventually you will find them second nature, and far more 'ergonomic' than a twist stick.

B.

NonWonderDog
11-11-2006, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
Oh by the way I know the Saitek X45/52 are popular but Ive yet to try a Saitek that didnt have a really limp spring.
A Saitek X45 absolutely does not have a limp spring. It feels like it's fixed in cement. The X52 is really light, but you get used to it pretty quick.

I would absolutely recommend rudder pedals... but I don't own a set. They wouldn't fit under my desk. If you have the room and the money, though, they greatly improve your flying. I've never been able to come to grips (sorry) with twist sticks.

knightflyte
11-11-2006, 10:29 AM
If your X 45 is working fine and you are happy with it's performance then I'd recommend the rudder peddles.

If you aren't happy with the X45 then get the X 52 with twisty.

To upgrade to an X 52 in hopes of getting a better rudder response when the rest of the X 45 works well would be a bit of a waste, and I'd highly recommend rudder peddles instead.

Rudder peddles will put your flying in a different level. I love mine. I don't regret buying them one iota, but I don't find them 100% essential.....

In other words if your X45 works fine it would be better to spend the money rudder peddles.

tagTaken2
11-11-2006, 12:48 PM
If you've got the money to spare, yes. Adds a huge immersion factor, and once you've gotten used to the left foot forward/yaw left counter-intuitivity, it will improve your shooting alot.
I'd rank pedals 3rd after a good stick, and trackir.

Numanoid101
11-11-2006, 02:06 PM
For me, it makes carrier landings a piece of cake (relatively anyway.) I do forget to let off the rudder from time to time after a turn (as mentioned above) but it's just something you need to get used to.

I used to have the CH pedals and recently got the Saitek ones. I prefer the saitek, but they slide on my carpet and I have yet to use the velcro to keep them solid (which I am sure will work.)

Now I'm looking at going for Simpeds and that is what I would recommend to you from the start. Get the best.

WOLFMondo
11-11-2006, 02:09 PM
Yes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
11-11-2006, 02:52 PM
I used twist stick for over a year and switched to pedals. After learning to use the pedals correctly, I would give up flight sims before going back to the twist. Not only is a twist stick a huge immersion compromise, but it severely affects your flying and, especially, your shooting. It is a coarse implement. Pedals are for precision. I use CH pedals. They are really absolutely necessary for flight sims---along with the TrackIR.

JG52Uther
11-11-2006, 04:31 PM
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lbhskier37
11-11-2006, 04:44 PM
Going from my rocker rudder X45 up to my simpeds was a bigger improvement that going from my 2 button Walmart stick to my X45. After the first week of getting used to them your flying WILL improve. You will notice on here the only people telling you that twist stick is fine are the people who don't have rudder pedals, what does that tell you? Get the CH pedals, or if you have the money the Simpeds are worth the extra IMHO, they are great!

Not sure if you are cyclist, but for cyclists the best analogy of going from twist or rocker rudder to rudder pedals is as dramatic as going from flat pedals to clipless pedals!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BrotherVoodoo
11-12-2006, 03:48 PM
No question about it, if you want more immersion you have to have the pedals. I am very happy with all of my CH Gear including my USB pedals.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mortoma1958
11-12-2006, 03:51 PM
I don't know about other newer brands but CH pedals last a long time!!! I have had my set for 3 years and the pots are steady as a rock, no jitters at all.

muzzlehead
11-12-2006, 04:13 PM
Thanks guys ... I'm going to buy them now I'm lookinginot which brand... any comments the BEST usb hub for gaming?

Blottogg
11-12-2006, 05:11 PM
If your X45 is still working, I'd agree with knightflyte and say keep it. I got an X52 after my X45's trigger died (and my ham-handed attempt at fixing it broke it further), and I'm still getting used to it. Most of the switches function the same, but the changes are just different enough to have to move around several of the commands from what I had mapped with the X45.

As far as pedals go, I'll put a vote in for Saitek pedals. The software install was a little wonky, however. The pedals come with a driver disk, but don't bother. The only option on the disk is install drivers and the programming software together. Since I'd already installed the programming software with the X52 drivers, it detected the install, launched into an auto un-install routine, and then hard-crashed my computer. I couldn't even re-boot in safe mode, and finally reinstalled Windows to restore whatever driver was eaten when the Saitek software burped.

Aside from the software problem, the pedals work fine. They're narrow enough to fit under the desk, but wide enough to avoid pinching the twins. Given the choice between the X52 twist grip and the pedals, I choose the pedals.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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timholt
11-12-2006, 07:11 PM
I've had CH -Pro peddles since they first came out in USB. They have had thousands of trouble free hours use - as have the CH joystick and throttle.
I think CH still give a three year warranty on all their products - there's a message there.

WTE_Galway
11-12-2006, 11:09 PM
rudder pedals are the way to go .. cannot shoot without them anymore

I use CH PRO USB pedals and they are pretty solid had them about 6 years now

one little glich .. the CH Pro model I have does have an annoying habit of occasionally snapping a small wire to one of the brake pedals but its easy fixed and brake pedals are not really that relevant in IL2 anyway

even with the odd resolder job every 12-18 months I still recommend the CH pedals

x6BL_Brando
11-13-2006, 05:43 AM
I recommend the CH Pro Pedals, too, for several reasons. One is the sturdiness and reliability of CH Products (not just the pedals).
Secondly the support is excellent. The CH Hangar (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/) forum is a friendly place, well-supported by both the company and a number of very clever enthusiasts. I have never failed to receive help on any issues, from hardware to programming to scripting. If there's a problem, you will find a fix there.

That said, there's little to go wrong with the pedals, other than that pesky toe-brake wire. It is easily fixed, and I've had no problem since the first time it happened. I used a bit of flexible sleeving to reinforce the wire, and did both the wires while I had the pedals open. Also, it's not guaranteed to happen! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif For everyone who has this problem there must be dozens who don't.
Once you get used to flying with pedals you will notice just how much they are in constant use. Any 109 pilot will verify that! That's why I recommend pedals that will sit under your desk and go on for years without needing attention (other than dusting). The CH ones do just that.

B.

Honeypot.se
11-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Oh by the way I know the Saitek X45/52 are popular but Ive yet to try a Saitek that didnt have a really limp spring.

I can't get over this. I'm sorry, but it's just too funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I'll retaliate with something equally funny.

My X45 spring was so hard that my middle finger eventually went numb from playing. And it stayed numb for days. I must have damaged a nerve or something, pulling and squeezing that damn thing.

While recuperating from this IL2-induced neuro trauma, I designed a brilliant padding for the grip, if I may say so myself. First I raided the bathroom and picked up some cotton pads. Then I asked the missus for a pair of her pantyhose and cut off a bit of leg from it. Then I wound the padding to the stick with the nylon.

My fingers got better after a while and with the padding I don't get numb anymore. But pulling my X45 is still like pulling Excalibur out of the rock (or was it an anvil?)

I agree that the X52's seem to be a little limp however. Even in my taste. They're still nothing like the CH stick though.

x6BL_Brando
11-13-2006, 04:39 PM
IIRC, the fix for the over-strong x45 spring is to tighten a coil by using a cable tie at opposite sides of the spring, thereby shortening the spring. It sounds as if Saitek have responded to the feedback from the x45 with the x52 offering.

I've never considered the CH gear as 'limp'. Rather than relying on bending a spring laterally to achieve centring, CH use the linear properties of a pair of springs to bring a balanced, constantly-sprung centring force through the whole range of stick movement.

B.

josephs1959
11-14-2006, 10:24 AM
RUDDER PEDALS!!! If for no other reason It requires you to be Coorodinated with your feet as well as your hand (stick) and eyes, just as in real life. You have been using your wrists and you're used to just twisting your wrist to turn. Once you buy the pedals, you'll have to learn anew. To use your feet as well as your hands and eyes to adjust the amount of turn. The further you push your foot,coordinating the rudder pedals with the stick without loosing too much airspeed. (I fly FW-190 and if you apply too much rudder without compensating with the stick the plane will flip over). I use X-52 and Saitek's rudder pedals. I used to use CH pro but I feel that the Saiteks pedals have a "better" feel to them, there's a little bit of resistance the further you push.I will tell you this, once you do make the transition you'll never go back.

Old_Canuck
11-14-2006, 01:10 PM
Got CH rudder pedals and not going back. But my face hurts because I have to stop and slap myself every once in awhile: "you are NOT a real pilot .. you are NOT a real pilot."<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
11-14-2006, 03:41 PM
TIR, HOTAS... no brainer.. get the pedals.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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muzzlehead
11-14-2006, 08:13 PM
Well my Ch Pedals came today.. and they are a beast to get use to... not sure how much they will improve my flying but they are great fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RichardFF
11-18-2006, 09:39 PM
I have the Saitek pedals and X52... one would have to pry them out of my dead cold hands... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

One thing is for sure... if you don't use the rudder you will have a hell of time doing manuevers and bearing down on your target. I used the twist but inevitiably it either caused changes in position of the stick or I would get confused between turning with ailerons versus rudder.

Having that function separated from the stick is not only more real and practical but far more conducive to better over all flying in my opinion.

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