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DKoor
10-08-2007, 09:40 AM
Which Axis aircraft do you hate most?
Which Allied aircraft do you hate most?
Those are the questions that, once in furious anger, pilot can answer at lightning speed.
Your reasons for hate - irrelevant.
To ensure highest possible accuracy of hate, I've listed every flyable, alphabetically by families.

OK time to see where the hate is concentrated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

MEGILE
10-08-2007, 09:47 AM
I never hate.

DKoor
10-08-2007, 09:48 AM
That much, we all know.
But as you could see over and over again, not many of us reached your kung-fu level http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

GIAP.Shura
10-08-2007, 09:56 AM
Do you mean to fly or to fly against?

DKoor
10-08-2007, 10:02 AM
I meant those that you fly against.
You can vote in both sections or in one only.........eg.
When you fly for allies which axis ac do you hate most?
When you fly for axis which allied ac do you hate most?

Some fly exclusively for allies and exclusively for axis. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-08-2007, 10:03 AM
i paid the whole price, i love them all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Manu-6S
10-08-2007, 10:06 AM
LOL Watch the Spit!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DKoor
10-08-2007, 10:08 AM
Spitfire is teh first ace of this thread.

JG4_Helofly
10-08-2007, 10:31 AM
Why does people hate the 190? I thought the 109 would come out on top.

SlickStick
10-08-2007, 10:46 AM
There is no need to hate planes. There are only weaker pilots who get frustrated with their own inability to adapt or overcome a given situation.

The smart pilots don't hate, they adapt and use what is given them. Sure, there are a few questionable parts of some FM/DMs, but nothing that can't be overcome with a little application of grey matter.

fordfan25
10-08-2007, 10:49 AM
iorn clad bettys and tiefires

Y0RGO
10-08-2007, 10:59 AM
Y0RGO hates the fat planes.

http://www.fototime.com/9AE5E5EC81EDBE0/standard.jpg

Manu-6S
10-08-2007, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
There is no need to hate planes. There are only weaker pilots who get frustrated with their own inability to adapt or overcome a given situation.

The smart pilots don't hate, they adapt and use what is given them. Sure, there are a few questionable parts of some FM/DMs, but nothing that can't be overcome with a little application of grey matter.

There are more reasons to hate a plane.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SlickStick
10-08-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SlickStick:
There is no need to hate planes. There are only weaker pilots who get frustrated with their own inability to adapt or overcome a given situation.

The smart pilots don't hate, they adapt and use what is given them. Sure, there are a few questionable parts of some FM/DMs, but nothing that can't be overcome with a little application of grey matter.

There are more reasons to hate a plane.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe, but they are all relative to just which of your favorite planes that you are flying at the time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There is nothing so tragically wrong in this sim, that it can't be overcome with a little ingenuity and better situational awareness. If one plane has a quirky feature, the smart pilot flies in a manner to eliminate/or diminish it's use against him.

Brain32
10-08-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
Why does people hate the 190? I thought the 109 would come out on top.
109? LOOOOL, Allied fliers love them, it would be like hating G-11, nobody hates super easy kills http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
10-08-2007, 12:33 PM
lmao.....started to vote then paused and didn't curious as to what was most hated...lerch I don't get, never see them online so is just 1946 hating imltho....Ki-84 was expected as most have no concept of their r/l performance...

Yet the LOL goes to the SPitfire.....You just knew that would get the mega hate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Xiolablu3
10-08-2007, 12:34 PM
LMAO at all the Axis only pilots who hate the SPitfire.

They have STILL not learned how to fight it after 4 years http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think the hate comes when they laugh at SPitfire pilots, call them 'noobs' etc, and then get shot down by one, it must really grate on them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Its like a gang of ugly girls ganging up on the pretty one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Spitfire for teh win!!

x6BL_Brando
10-08-2007, 12:46 PM
A better word than "hate" might have been fear. More honest at least.

B

Brain32
10-08-2007, 12:48 PM
Hmmm Spitfire has waaaaaaaaaaay more votes than Lavochkins, hmmmmm
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And btw Xiola, I voted for Spitfire, and the reasons are:
40% - just for the kicks
10% - because it never overheats and has nearly undestructable engine and that's just plain silly
50% - to provoke a comment like yours
End result:
Mission acomplished! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Korolov1986
10-08-2007, 12:49 PM
Who the hell voted for P.11c, Mosquito, Ki-43, and Fiat Cr.42? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

DKoor
10-08-2007, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
Why does people hate the 190? I thought the 109 would come out on top.
109? LOOOOL, Allied fliers love them, it would be like hating G-11, nobody hates super easy kills http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Like Brain says, I bet many allied flyers would vote 109 as the "most pleasant enemy" they can encounter.
No wonder after constant neuterization patch after patch........since Oleg was actually frequenting his room dayshttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The best of it all.......I can foresee completely different situation if this poll ran in FB days.

Stiletto-
10-08-2007, 04:17 PM
I voted on accident, my keyboard was on my leg, and 10 keys brushed the underside of my desk, so I dunno what I voted for, probably some weird stuff... But I will just say If I fly Axis, the ones that piss me off are the high altitude P-47s that come out of nowhere and can zoom right back up again. Probably similar tactics if I fly Allied, do not like getting blown to pieces in 2 seconds by a FW-190.. Sure Zeros can be annoying against less maneuverable planes in the pacific theatre, but they hardly ever blow you up in 3 shots. Though I must say I do enjoy flying the P-47 and FW-190s, just they suck when im outside of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

joeap
10-08-2007, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
There is no need to hate planes. There are only weaker pilots who get frustrated with their own inability to adapt or overcome a given situation.

The smart pilots don't hate, they adapt and use what is given them. Sure, there are a few questionable parts of some FM/DMs, but nothing that can't be overcome with a little application of grey matter.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Divine-Wind
10-08-2007, 04:48 PM
I think it's safe to say Spitfires are the Blue pilots' favorite plane.

mortoma
10-08-2007, 05:08 PM
Since when did they upgrade the polls capability?!?!? It used to be you could ony put five choices, that was it!!

mortoma
10-08-2007, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
Why does people hate the 190? I thought the 109 would come out on top.
109? LOOOOL, Allied fliers love them, it would be like hating G-11, nobody hates super easy kills http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Like Brain says, I bet many allied flyers would vote 109 as the "most pleasant enemy" they can encounter.
No wonder after constant neuterization patch after patch........since Oleg was actually frequenting his room dayshttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The best of it all.......I can foresee completely different situation if this poll ran in FB days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I dunno, I don't find them any easier or harder than they ever were. I shot them down upon installing the original IL-2 game in 2001 and I shoot them down now. They are about the same. Their DM has always been soft. The FM they have now renders them just as hard to shoot down as ever. Mostly because they still have such an ability to extend away easily and also climb. Expecially if you fly early Russian planes against them. They extend from you easily either in the vertical or horizontal.
And they always can outclimb their traditional counterparts in any phase of the war, even P-38s.

DKoor
10-08-2007, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
I think it's safe to say Spitfires are the Blue pilots' favorite plane. Hey! At least they go boom/dewing/pk fast under 20mm fire!
So in a way, they are ideal aerial targets.

DKoor
10-08-2007, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG4_Helofly:
Why does people hate the 190? I thought the 109 would come out on top.
109? LOOOOL, Allied fliers love them, it would be like hating G-11, nobody hates super easy kills http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Like Brain says, I bet many allied flyers would vote 109 as the "most pleasant enemy" they can encounter.
No wonder after constant neuterization patch after patch........since Oleg was actually frequenting his room dayshttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The best of it all.......I can foresee completely different situation if this poll ran in FB days. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I dunno, I don't find them any easier or harder than they ever were. I shot them down upon installing the original IL-2 game in 2001 and I shoot them down now. They are about the same. Their DM has always been soft. The FM they have now renders them just as hard to shoot down as ever. Mostly because they still have such an ability to extend away easily and also climb. Expecially if you fly early Russian planes against them. They extend from you easily either in the vertical or horizontal.
And they always can outclimb their traditional counterparts in any phase of the war, even P-38s. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's online that shows that fine line between good, neutral and bad. For me anyway.
109 went thru it........
Offline I can pwn heavily in the 109 any conventional Ai target, but offline I noticed that some things have changed over the time.
To the worse.
I can show you track Bf-109G6_LATE vs 4xAce Spit25 on "realistic" settings, that is as perv as it gets.........online G6_LATE is only a target to the Spit25.
(I'm saying those things about the offline/online comparison because you haven't specified what you meant)

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-08-2007, 06:05 PM
Dont hate! Appreciate! And how could a person hate the P-47 or the FW-190? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

S!

DKoor
10-08-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Dont hate! Appreciate! And how could a person hate the P-47 or the FW-190? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

S! So....you voted for P.11c then?

SeaFireLIV
10-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Ask me this question 4 years ago and it would`ve been all Luftwaffe planes that represented the 3rd reich in nazi germany...

It wouldn`t matter to me how uber they were....

Still doesn`t. But the fact that this isn`t my immediate no-holds-barred answer goes to show how much I`ve mellowed.

Still don`t fly `em if I can help it though...

Cajun76
10-08-2007, 07:18 PM
I don't hate any plane. I hate <STRIKE>pilots</STRIKE> players that pull off insane neg G barrel roll maneuvers or similar, because as far as I know, it's not historical or realistic.

Otherwise, everything else is a target, no matter what mount I'm in. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Xiolablu3
10-08-2007, 11:00 PM
DO you guys who are saying that the Bf109 is an easy kill play only one d*mn year?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

How 'easy' is a 109F4 to kill in 1941 planesets? The only thing that comems close is a Spitfire V, and the Bf109F4 outclasses even that.

Or a Bf109E4 in 1940 when red are using Hurricanes and i16's???

The Bf109 is the best plane in the game in the first half of the war, 1939-42. Only thte Fw190A4 is as good in 1942, and thats another Axis plane.... Sometimes I think that some of you guys are playing a different game to me. Or you are just very bad pilots... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Xiolablu3
10-08-2007, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
Who the hell voted for P.11c, Mosquito, Ki-43, and Fiat Cr.42? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


They possibly misunderstood the question and voted for the 'flightmodel/interprestation' they hate most.

Mithrandir63
10-08-2007, 11:42 PM
gotta love the spitfire, unless someone else is flying it. Then its the most hated.
When the map changes and there is no spitfire watch the server clear.

Daiichidoku
10-08-2007, 11:47 PM
obnoxious axis:

1 lurch
2 109 (G2,Z)
3 ki84 (C)

allied:

1 185
2 la (5FN,7,7-3xB20,7R)
3 +25

Daiichidoku
10-08-2007, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
109 went thru it........


+1

K4 was lame without peer until the PP fix, hated it

and then that elevator nerfing? i respect K4 drivers now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xiolablu3
10-09-2007, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by Mithrandir63:
gotta love the spitfire, unless someone else is flying it. Then its the most hated.
When the map changes and there is no spitfire watch the server clear.

Thats wierd, I love flying against Spitfires.

Particularly (I am in the first one in the matchup) :-

Bf109F4 vs Spitfire Vb
Fw190A4 vs Spitfire Vb
Zero A6m3 vs Spitfire V
Bf109G2 vs Spitfire mkV 1942
Fw190A6 vs Spitfire IX
Fw190D9 vs Spitfire IX/25lbs

In all these matchups barring possibly the Fw190A6 vs Spitfire IX, the Axis plane has the clear advantage.


If you think its so good then fly the damn thing, dont whine like a baby...there are plenty who will gladly take your place on the blue team flying Bf109's early war, or Fw190's late war.

slo_1_2_3
10-09-2007, 12:01 AM
Yes those pesky p-11's are a pain , but I just swat them down like mosquitos........
I picked the KI-84 and the spitfire of doom

Manu-6S
10-09-2007, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
If you think its so good then fly the damn thing, dont whine like a baby...there are plenty who will gladly take your place on the blue team flying Bf109's early war, or Fw190's late war.

Xiola, most peolpe hate a plane for its flight characteristic, not because they are impossible to beat.

Many hate spits but probably for them Spits are an eay kill (for me it works so: spits aren't dangerous)

Look at my sign for the reasons of my hate...

Bewolf
10-09-2007, 01:26 AM
It was already cleared up the spit enjoys some rather spectactular accelartion ratings in this game, opposite to the FW for example, and nothing can be changed about it if you do not want to crash the whole game. So no hate involved at all. Can't hate a limit in the game engine.

Manu-6S
10-09-2007, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
It was already cleared up the spit enjoys some rather spectactular accelartion ratings in this game, opposite to the FW for example, and nothing can be changed about it if you do not want to crash the whole game. So no hate involved at all. Can't hate a limit in the game engine.

I disagree Bewolf: If Merlin engine acceleration is 6 (the higher one) against the 3 for the BMW, if Merlins models use a normal propeller (used by all the other planes ingame) and germans uses a totally different high speed propeller... it's not a game engine limit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bewolf
10-09-2007, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bewolf:
It was already cleared up the spit enjoys some rather spectactular accelartion ratings in this game, opposite to the FW for example, and nothing can be changed about it if you do not want to crash the whole game. So no hate involved at all. Can't hate a limit in the game engine.


I disagree Bewolf: If Merlin engine acceleration is 6 against the 3 for the BMW, if Merlins models use a normal propeller (used by all the other planes ingame) and germans uses a totally different high speed propeller... it's not a game engine limit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I remember correctly, those numbers were coupled with some other factors, so changing them would result in an overall change in behaviour. I do not have the details in my head anymore, though. And this is not a Focke Wulf/spitfire acceleration thread =)

Can't comment on the propeller, however.

Manu-6S
10-09-2007, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
If I remember correctly, those numbers were coupled with some other factors, so changing them would result in an overall change in behaviour.


Yes, of course; but there are performance limits what the plane can't overtake. Look at the WALL of the Zeke or the fact that SpitIX25lbs reaches max speed with 85% of throttle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Max turn time, max climb rate.. thay are all defined and can't be overtake.


Originally posted by Bewolf:
Can't comment on the propeller, however.

Try Ki84 and 190A8, or Mc205 and 109G6...

Ok I'm out.

DKoor
10-09-2007, 07:22 AM
Originally posted by Mithrandir63:
gotta love the spitfire, unless someone else is flying it. Then its the most hated.
When the map changes and there is no spitfire watch the server clear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Originally posted by Manu-6S:
most peolpe hate a plane for its flight characteristic, not because they are impossible to beat. +1

Originally posted by Manu-6S:
Look at the WALL of the Zeke or the fact that SpitIX25lbs reaches max speed with 85% of throttle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Max turn time, max climb rate.. thay are all defined and can't be overtake. I test that one.....happily....lol if true....looool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Swivet
10-09-2007, 10:48 AM
all those choices and i can only select 1, but i'm gonna have to say those uber 190's and 109's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Xiolablu3
10-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Manu-6S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
If you think its so good then fly the damn thing, dont whine like a baby...there are plenty who will gladly take your place on the blue team flying Bf109's early war, or Fw190's late war.

Many hate spits but probably for them Spits are an eay kill (for me it works so: spits aren't dangerous)

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I absolutely agree.

P51's, Tempests and P47's shoot me down and scare me far more than Spitfires do. In fact its extremely rare I am ever shot down by a Spitfire if I am in a contemporary FW190 or an early war matchup using the Bf109F4/G2. When I am shot down in one of the above planes/matchups on West front servers, its 99% by the Mustang/Tempest/Jug.

I actually love fighting Spitfire mkV's in a Bf109F4/Fw190A4 or SPitfire VIII/IX's in a Dora/Fw190A6. Its a real test of energy fighter vs CLose-in dogfighter

Spitfire 25lbs is much more dangerous thanks to its awesome climb rate, but I would still rather be in a Dora than the 25lber if I had the choice. If there are Spitfire 25lber's and Mustang III's on the server, then for a good map Axis should get the 109K4, Dora and limited Me262's.

Allied Ubers should be faced by Axis Ubers. I think the Axis defirnitely have the advantage here, so there shouldnt be too many whines.

IMO a good 1945 Western Front planeset would be :-

(Spitfire 25lbs/Mustang III/P47D late/P38 Late) vs (FW190D9/109K4/ 5 Do335's/ 20 Me262's)

DKoor
10-09-2007, 04:47 PM
Yes........Spitfire is not as dangerous as P-47, P-51 or the mighty Tempest (which pwns all among allied ranks).