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jayhall0315
03-25-2009, 12:57 AM
Got a question about the cables in IL2 for the middle sized and smaller escort carriers.

Why do they keep breaking ?!

I am a fairly experienced naval aviator (in-game) and usually catch the second or third wire about 90+ percent of the time but I still often end up in the water on the smaller carriers when the dang cable snaps. Why would the cable snap when my approach speed is only 170 kph ?

Is this a slight modeling error in-game ?

Tully__
03-25-2009, 03:06 AM
Are you sure you're actually catching the cable (by checking a mission recording)? I've never had a cable break despite some very hot landings, but if you're a bit tail high the hook will miss the wires.
You also need to make sure you've got the throttle at zero because the game automatically unhooks the cable about 3 or 4 seconds after you come to a stop.

Correct touchdown speed in most of the carrier aircraft is a tad slower than 170km/h. If you're fast it's quite likely that your tail/hook is off the deck just enough to miss wires.

general_kalle
03-25-2009, 03:41 AM
with USN and FAA carrier planes i usually go for 180 kmh touchdown speed, seams to work on all planes without stalling,
the zero is somewhat slower touchdown speed due to its high lift/weight ratio.

ElAurens
03-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Have never broken a cable, or seen it happen.

I have broken several aircraft however,

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jayhall0315
03-25-2009, 11:14 AM
I will try to review some Ntrk tracks in detail in the next few days or so and get back to ya guys. Many times, it 'feels' like I am catching the cable and then it 'releases' and I go forward into the water. Will check carefully in the next few days.

RockyAlexander
03-25-2009, 11:53 AM
Easy answer: the cables won't break no matter how fast you land. You must be missing the wire.

RPMcMurphy
03-25-2009, 01:14 PM
Heres my input to the topic. I had to go back and look at some old tracks to find this:
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo71/11072008/grab0001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo71/11072008/grab0006.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo71/11072008/grab0007.jpg
Edit: The cable snapped about one second after this last photo.

RS_Spitslayer
03-25-2009, 02:28 PM
Now that is one stretchy cable.

crucislancer
03-25-2009, 02:39 PM
RPMcMurphy, that's something I've never seen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Jay, you should be able to look at the .ntrk with WW view and use that angle of attack indicator on the WW view gunsight. Cycle through the gunsights to find it. It was put in the game (Pacific Fighters) for just that purpose to see where your plane is actually heading. Combine that with your instruments to get an idea what might be causing you to miss the wire.

RPMcMurphy
03-25-2009, 02:51 PM
Yeah that was wierd. I'm glad I saved the track. I can post a video of it if you guys want me to.

rnzoli
03-25-2009, 03:08 PM
someone has a picture, where he caught the wire with gear up, maximum speed and pulled it out quite a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheFamilyMan
03-25-2009, 04:47 PM
Our squad flies lots of carrier ops coops. The first to land (or crash) becomes the tower for incoming aircraft. I've seen a few landings as those posted by RPMcMurphy. Lots of times a plane misses a cable because its tail/hook is bouncing across the deck like pogo stick that is perfectly out of phase such it hops over all the cables. I've never seen a cable break, except that it'll eventually disappear once the aircraft that has hooked it comes to a stop (where ever that may be).

BTW, we always fly with closed cockpit and no externals so carrier landing is always nerve racking.

jayhall0315
03-25-2009, 05:13 PM
I am pretty sure the cable is breaking or stretching so much that I go over the forward edge(on escort carriers). Should also point out that most of my landings are in some Corsair variant which are big heavy fighters and not some Jap Zero. Tonight I will try to review some of the Ntrks frame by frame and take some screenshots if I am successful.

Waldo.Pepper
03-25-2009, 06:11 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/boing/boing.jpg

Buddy let me be the nth person to tell you that there is no way that the cable is breaking. (A cable breaking is not modeled in the game.)

You may be hearing a sound effect that sounds like the cable breaking. What I think you are hearing is in fact the sound of the tailhook coming off of the cable. Snapping off it in effect.

Watch this movie of mine to teach you how to take off and land with a Corsair. (Land at 150!)

http://video.google.ca/videopl...=4165453209967617232 (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4165453209967617232)

And this one to hear what you are falsely interpreting as a cable break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDNLySH4ajs

Note the hook NOT catching and making a loud bang.

Tully__
03-25-2009, 07:52 PM
Also make sure you're landing in the right direction. If you land from the front of the carrier the slack in the cables will have you off the other end of the deck at least 3 out of 5 attempts I'd guess.

DKoor
03-27-2009, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Have never broken a cable, or seen it happen.

I have broken several aircraft however,

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

crucislancer
03-27-2009, 10:57 AM
Just out of curiousity, did the OP review .ntrks to see what is happening with his landings?

I tried it myself yesterday morning, and was able to trap on a escort carrier in a Corsair Mk1 several times, despite being too high and too fast in a few cases. The cable didn't snap, but I can see how one might miss them if the approch is too high, or bouncing before the hook catches.

R_Target
03-27-2009, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Have never broken a cable, or seen it happen.

I have broken several aircraft however,

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In the battle of cable vs plane, cable usually wins.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2rcbthh.jpg

VBF-12_Whitey
03-27-2009, 04:41 PM
Here's a nice video I made of a VBF-12 Hellcat losing it's tail section on a hook...

http://www.vbf-12.com/damage.wmv