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neural_dream
09-11-2005, 03:57 PM
This is the 10th post in a series of topics on the Revised Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time blah blah blah ...
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Messerschmitt Me 262 (`44,`45)

The Messerschmitt Me 262 was the first ever jet fighter to enter combat and the only one with significant contribution to the Luftwaffe. The Me 262 squadrons were manned by the top German aces and served in various roles, including those of fighter, interceptor and light bomber. In total around 1430 of all variants were built.
Maximum Speed: 835km/h at sea level and 870km/h at 6000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ Be very gentle with the throttle to avoid surprises. The same stands for all jets.
‚¬¶ At speeds over 600km/h <span class="ev_code_RED">[corrected]</span> you can fly at 100% throttle without fear of fire.
‚¬¶ When making a high-speed gunnery pass do NOT pull on the stick to get away. Let it go. The plane will enter a shallow climb by itself. This way you preserver energy and you won't blackout much. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">[added]</span>
‚¬¶ The Me262 explodes at around 1100km/h.
Armament:
Me262-1a: upper nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (100rpg/10sec), lower nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (80rpg/8sec).
Me262-2a: nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (100rpg/10sec).
Me262-1a/U4: nose - 1x50mm Mk214A (28rpg/11sec).
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Messerschmitt Me 163 "Komet" (`45)

The Me 163 was a rocket-propelled fighter designed mainly to counter the Allied daylight bombing. It was based on the DFS 194 glider of Dr Alexander Lippisch, whose team joined Messerschmitt in January 1939. The main variant was the Me163B1-A, of which around 400 were built. Although a plane with incredible flight characteristics, the Komet came too late to have any impact. The number of victories of the Komets varies depending on the source, but they must have been around 10-15.
Maximum Speed: 825km/h at sea level and 960km/h at 10000m. Service Ceiling: 12000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ The fuel used is a highly volatile mixture of T-Stoff (80% hydrogen peroxide and 20% water) and C-Stoff (hydrazine hydrate, methyl alcohol, and water). Avoid sudden throttle changes to avoid surprises.
‚¬¶ The extremely narrow undercarriage makes flawless landing very difficult.
‚¬¶ The Komet explodes at 1100km/h.
Armament:
Me163B-1A: wings - 2x30mm MK 108 (60rpg/6sec).
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Heinkel He 162 A-2 "Spatz" (Sparrow) or "Volksj”ěger"(`45) <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">corrected</span>

The "Volksj”ěager" (people's fighter) was the rather hasty answer to a late-war requirement for a very light (less than 2000kg), very cheap (made of wood), very simple (if produced in quantity many of the pilots would be from the Hitler Youth) <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">[improved]</span> jet-propelled interceptor. Stunnigly, the He-162 flew for the first time only 10 weeks after the first designs. When the allies captured the underground production facilities, 116 had been produced and 800 more were unfinished.
Maximum Speed: 890km/h at sea level and 905km/h at 6000m. Service Ceiling: 12300m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ The He-162 starts disintergrating over 1000km/h.
Armament:
He-162A-2: fuselage - 2x20mm MG151/20 (120rpg/10sec).
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Gotha Go-229 (`45)

Created by the Horten brothers (famous for their 1930's gliders), the Go-229 (or Ho-229) was a twin-engine jet-powered flying wing, way ahead of its time. Although probably not on purpose, the special paint finishing of the plane provided "stealth" characteristics, one of several reasons to consider it the predecessor of today's B-2 Stealth Bomber. By the time the production center was overrun by the Allies no Go229 had been completed.
Maximum speed: 795km/h at sea level and 977km/h at 12000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ Although very fast, the Go-229 is too large for a fighter, and thus vulnerable to enemy fighters.
‚¬¶ The Go-229 explodes at around 1100km/h.
Armament:
Go229A-1a: wings - 2x30mm Mk103 (120rpg/17sec)
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neural_dream
09-11-2005, 03:57 PM
This is the 10th post in a series of topics on the Revised Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time blah blah blah ...
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Messerschmitt Me 262 (`44,`45)

The Messerschmitt Me 262 was the first ever jet fighter to enter combat and the only one with significant contribution to the Luftwaffe. The Me 262 squadrons were manned by the top German aces and served in various roles, including those of fighter, interceptor and light bomber. In total around 1430 of all variants were built.
Maximum Speed: 835km/h at sea level and 870km/h at 6000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ Be very gentle with the throttle to avoid surprises. The same stands for all jets.
‚¬¶ At speeds over 600km/h <span class="ev_code_RED">[corrected]</span> you can fly at 100% throttle without fear of fire.
‚¬¶ When making a high-speed gunnery pass do NOT pull on the stick to get away. Let it go. The plane will enter a shallow climb by itself. This way you preserver energy and you won't blackout much. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">[added]</span>
‚¬¶ The Me262 explodes at around 1100km/h.
Armament:
Me262-1a: upper nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (100rpg/10sec), lower nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (80rpg/8sec).
Me262-2a: nose - 2x30mm Mk108 (100rpg/10sec).
Me262-1a/U4: nose - 1x50mm Mk214A (28rpg/11sec).
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Messerschmitt Me 163 "Komet" (`45)

The Me 163 was a rocket-propelled fighter designed mainly to counter the Allied daylight bombing. It was based on the DFS 194 glider of Dr Alexander Lippisch, whose team joined Messerschmitt in January 1939. The main variant was the Me163B1-A, of which around 400 were built. Although a plane with incredible flight characteristics, the Komet came too late to have any impact. The number of victories of the Komets varies depending on the source, but they must have been around 10-15.
Maximum Speed: 825km/h at sea level and 960km/h at 10000m. Service Ceiling: 12000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ The fuel used is a highly volatile mixture of T-Stoff (80% hydrogen peroxide and 20% water) and C-Stoff (hydrazine hydrate, methyl alcohol, and water). Avoid sudden throttle changes to avoid surprises.
‚¬¶ The extremely narrow undercarriage makes flawless landing very difficult.
‚¬¶ The Komet explodes at 1100km/h.
Armament:
Me163B-1A: wings - 2x30mm MK 108 (60rpg/6sec).
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Heinkel He 162 A-2 "Spatz" (Sparrow) or "Volksj”ěger"(`45) <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">corrected</span>

The "Volksj”ěager" (people's fighter) was the rather hasty answer to a late-war requirement for a very light (less than 2000kg), very cheap (made of wood), very simple (if produced in quantity many of the pilots would be from the Hitler Youth) <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">[improved]</span> jet-propelled interceptor. Stunnigly, the He-162 flew for the first time only 10 weeks after the first designs. When the allies captured the underground production facilities, 116 had been produced and 800 more were unfinished.
Maximum Speed: 890km/h at sea level and 905km/h at 6000m. Service Ceiling: 12300m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ The He-162 starts disintergrating over 1000km/h.
Armament:
He-162A-2: fuselage - 2x20mm MG151/20 (120rpg/10sec).
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Gotha Go-229 (`45)

Created by the Horten brothers (famous for their 1930's gliders), the Go-229 (or Ho-229) was a twin-engine jet-powered flying wing, way ahead of its time. Although probably not on purpose, the special paint finishing of the plane provided "stealth" characteristics, one of several reasons to consider it the predecessor of today's B-2 Stealth Bomber. By the time the production center was overrun by the Allies no Go229 had been completed.
Maximum speed: 795km/h at sea level and 977km/h at 12000m.
Tips:
‚¬¶ Although very fast, the Go-229 is too large for a fighter, and thus vulnerable to enemy fighters.
‚¬¶ The Go-229 explodes at around 1100km/h.
Armament:
Go229A-1a: wings - 2x30mm Mk103 (120rpg/17sec)
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neural_dream
09-11-2005, 03:58 PM
As always i am asking for your suggestions and corrections.

Next time the Beaufighter.

The previous posts:
9. P11c, IAR80,81:http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=2...801042653 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&amp;s=400102&amp;f=26310365&amp;m=3601042653&amp;r=58 01042653)
8. P40, P39, P63: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m...341014153 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3341014153/r/3341014153)
7. Bf109, Bf110: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5031062053
6. Ki84, Ki100: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9451054943
5. I16, I153, I185: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2921071943
4. Stukas,He111: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3011097843
3. La5,La7: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9311023843
2. CR42,G50: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5971000843
1. Ki43,61: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/7311047743

JG52Karaya-X
09-12-2005, 07:21 AM
"‚¬¶ At speeds over 700km/h you can fly at 100% throttle without fear of fire."

I think it's even 600km/h...

neural_dream
09-12-2005, 08:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I think it's even 600km/h... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hm, i have the same impression. I'll have to check that. Cheers.

Any tips on how to fly the Me262 or the others?

JG52Karaya-X
09-12-2005, 02:01 PM
I'd say when making a high-speed gunnery pass one should NOT pull on the stick to get away... leave it go - the plane will enter a shallow climb by itself. This way you preserver energy and you won't blackout much. In the meantime you can have a lookaround for future targets.

It's also more important to switch between cockpit view in the Me262 (with Shift+F1). With the standard view (along the nose) you have a better feel for the aircraft in formation flight and navigation and only switch to gunsight on attack runs!

neural_dream
09-14-2005, 07:13 AM
Thanks for the tips. I've added them to the guide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

jeroen_R90S
09-14-2005, 09:42 AM
In the Jumo 004 powered jets, you can slam the throttles back and forth if the engine RPM is above 6000. There is a regulator in the Jumo that prevents flame-outs.

If an engine on 262 is hit, it can fly on one engine quite well, but even if you shut down the hit engine the fire will not go out and the engine will explode sooner or later.

IIRC the Jumo's can be air-started if there is sufficient height and speed since a patch (3.03 IIRC). On previous versions of FB/AEP this was not possible.

Above <span class="ev_code_RED">[edit, was: 85%]</span> 95% throttle a tell-tale smoketrail will appear, especially online this is a handicap as you are quickly spotted (if you happen to be on one of the few servers that has 262s) and followed when you RTB. <span class="ev_code_RED">[added: above 85% the Jumo's will emit a blue flame also making it easier to spot you.]</span>


Also on the 262 the nose wheel is not steerable so when taxi-ing use differential brakes. (and/or thrust)

When flying the A-2 (like I do most of the time) you can do high speed bomb runs to avoid getting hit. Drop the bombs roughly as soon as the target is roughly hitting the bottom of the gunsight.
Practice helps here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The A-2 even loaded with 2x SC250 is faster then nearly all propfighters.

Strafing with A-2 sucks because of the huge blasts the MK108 shells give on the ground it's difficult to correct your aim.

Jeroen

neural_dream
09-14-2005, 10:01 AM
Superb tips. Going straight to the guide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
09-14-2005, 08:37 PM
Before starting your engine's slam the throttle to 100%, start them and select them both, brakes on then reduce throttle so you can quicker power up without having the risk of a flame out
-yes you can start the 262's engines at 100% with no fires (very old FB bug)

also to correct Jeroen, its only after 95% power the engines will leave a smoke trail
fly at 94% all the time to make spotting harder and reduce overheat.

jeroen_R90S
09-14-2005, 11:13 PM
Yes, you are correct!

At 85% the engines will emit the blue flame IIRC and I was messing the 2 up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Haven't flown my beloved Me 262A-2 in a while, been doing torpedo runs in G4M1 and A-20G... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

neural_dream
09-16-2005, 04:59 AM
Hadn't noticed you edited your tips. Thanks m8. I've now changed them in the guide too.

jeroen_R90S
09-16-2005, 12:17 PM
You're welcome; with your CRG you just got me to take the A-2 for a spin since quite some time... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jeroen

Fox_3
09-16-2005, 02:13 PM
Regarding the He162.

Pilots were not Hitler Youth but experienced pilots.

Salamander was the name of the design project. Spatz (Sparrow) was the actual name given to the aircraft.

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=552

neural_dream
09-16-2005, 02:40 PM
Is that better?

Fox_3
09-16-2005, 02:59 PM
Nice one n_d.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif