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rasmith1030
09-29-2004, 07:20 PM
Why do the British aircraft keep overheating? I can't catch an Italian Falco in a Hurricane without the engine overheating and siezing up. If I put autopilot on, the Hurricane can fly at 150 knots at 1/2 throttle, but as soon as I switch auto off, the engine overheats and speed drops to 100 knots. This can't be right

Korolov
09-29-2004, 07:22 PM
Try adjusting RPM and radiator settings. I find that the Hurricane MkI is a real PITA to fly because of the heat, but if you keep it REAL cool before entering combat, you can usually avoid overheats or siezing up.

rasmith1030
09-29-2004, 07:31 PM
OK, but I'm flying with simplified engine controls, you mean I need to switch to realistic engine controls to fly the hurricane?

rasmith1030
09-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Oh, and BTW, thanks for the help!

Lateralus_14
09-29-2004, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rasmith1030:
OK, but I'm flying with simplified engine controls, you mean I need to switch to realistic engine controls to fly the hurricane? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do yourself a favor and fly with full real flight dynamics. It isn't really hard to get used to. I came from a game that had simple engine management controls as well, and at first I thought it was too much to handle. But I picked it up very quickly, and now I manage the engine without even thinking about it.

Korolov
09-29-2004, 07:42 PM
You could fly with Complex Engine Management, but that's up to you. I'd personally recommend it as you get a better grip on what your plane is doing.

If you don't want to bother with CEM, then the radiator functions are your best bet. You get either closed/auto or open. Set it to open, cruise at about 65-70% throttle. When combat comes you can switch the radiator to closed/auto and give yourself extra power, but you won't be able to hold it long. 80% is usually enough to keep the MkI going, but the moment you get a overheat you should throttle back to 70%.

The MkII versions of the Hurricane and the russian field mod have reduced overheating problems, so they're a bit easier to get along with.

PBNA-Boosher
09-29-2004, 08:22 PM
Keep Brit aircraft BELOW 3000 RPM's at all costs! It'll kill the engine quickly if you go above that limit for too long.

VW-IceFire
09-29-2004, 08:38 PM
The Spitfire IX doesn't overheat very often...not a problem there.

Jumoschwanz
09-30-2004, 08:28 AM
Through this and that patch all aircraft take their turn. I remember one time the 109 had to be run at no higher than 85% throttle or it would overheat. It was good for one dogfight and then the engine would be junk. So don't worry, surely in a future patch it will be changed, then in another patch changed back again. Just bend in the wind like a reed grasshopper..........

p1ngu666
09-30-2004, 08:50 AM
early war stuff tends not tobe fixed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Chuck_Older
09-30-2004, 10:23 AM
A lot of players don't realise that 100% throttle was not a common setting in these aircraft, let alone 110%. Full throttle was for short periods during combat

DeerHunterUK
09-30-2004, 10:44 AM
Don't hold your breath expecting the over heating problem to fixed....it won't. I sent Oleg\dev team a ton of data about the Merlin engine and it's performance but nothing has been altered. And yes, the Hurricane should overheat but not at the current times at which it's happening in FB\AEP. As to the previous posts concerning high throttle and prop pitch settings, Rolls Royce suggest no more than 5 minutes at 110% throttle and 100% prop pitch. However, you should be able to cruise all day long (fuel permitting obviously) at any altitude at about 80% throttle and 75-80% prop pitch (called maximum continuous or full rich cruise settings) without fear of overheating, but sadly this isn't possible even on the moderate temperature maps. Obviously this setting would need to be altered for the desert map.
Please Oleg and dev team for the good of the game.....fix the problem! You guys managed to fix the Spitfires overheating problem, so why not the dear old Hurricane eh?

clint-ruin
09-30-2004, 12:05 PM
The MKI is a real piggie - just over a minute of max power available at sea level before the engine goes bang, completely.

The MK-IIc, IIb, and FM have a fair bit longer - about 5-6 minutes of max power at sea level.

Be aware that the various Hurricane marks are taken from different services inventories - if Russia or Finland or whoever got some bad ones and that was what was modelled, that may be part of the reason why things are so bad for the MKI. The brits liked to kick down a lot of 2nd hand gear to other forces..

Atomic_Marten
09-30-2004, 12:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rasmith1030:
Why do the British aircraft keep overheating? I can't catch an Italian Falco in a Hurricane without the engine overheating and siezing up. If I put autopilot on, the Hurricane can fly at 150 knots at 1/2 throttle, but as soon as I switch auto off, the engine overheats and speed drops to 100 knots. This can't be right <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that you should patch your AEP to v2.04. And if you still can not catch CR.42 than you are doing something wrong (flaps, gear etc.). Use 100-110% throttle only if neccesary.

DuxCorvan
09-30-2004, 01:37 PM
That's because Englishmen liked the beer hot, and they didn't want it to get cold half way. So, they made their planes overheat to keep the beer nastily hot in the beer compartment. Besides, on arriving home, boiling radiator water was ideal for tea, who kept them awake during their finest hour -and even after! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

horseback
09-30-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
The MKI is a real piggie - just over a minute of max power available at sea level before the engine goes bang, completely.

The MK-IIc, IIb, and FM have a fair bit longer - about 5-6 minutes of max power at sea level.

Be aware that the various Hurricane marks are taken from different services inventories - if Russia or Finland or whoever got some bad ones and that was what was modelled, that may be part of the reason why things are so bad for the MKI. The brits liked to kick down a lot of 2nd hand gear to other forces.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mk II Hurris used the Merlin XX, which is an earlier model than the 40-something series found in Spitfire Mk Vb/c, or the 60-something series in the Mk IX. Also, the MK IX had a pair of radiators for cooling, while the MK V and Hurri had just the one, with somewhat less sophisticated (one might assume, being an earlier design) intakes. I'd expect them to be more prone to overheating.

As for the second-hand equipment: Great Britain was in dire financial straits throughout the war. They simply didn't have the resources for American style largess. Hell, they didn't have the resources to do what they did do. That's why it was their "finest hour."

cheers

horseback

DeerHunterUK
09-30-2004, 04:54 PM
I do believe that Finland (and do correct me if I'm wrong) were supplied Hurricanes straight from the factory as their Government bought them directly and was not part of a lend-lease scheme where as the Russians mainly received battle hardened Hurricanes and few directly from the factories. Coincidentally I've read Igor Kaberov's book called "Swastika In The Gunsight". If I remember correctly, he states that 1 of the reasons why the Hurricane struggled in Russian hands was the simple fact that the Merlin engine struggled with the Russian fuel which was rated at about 70 octane as opposed to the American 100 octane fuel that the RAF used. It wasn't until later in the War that Russia started to receive American 100 octane fuel.

BfHeFwMe
09-30-2004, 06:05 PM
Fly formation behind a Spitfire, if that don't chill it down, nothing will. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

p1ngu666
09-30-2004, 06:18 PM
oddly, im not aware of any changes to the cooling system by factory from mk1 to mk2 etc, could well have happened but radatior same size.
also notice how like a p51 rad it is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

the fins maybe chopped the rad down due to running them in the winter, so they didnt overcool.

clint-ruin
09-30-2004, 09:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Mk II Hurris used the Merlin XX, which is an earlier model than the 40-something series found in Spitfire Mk Vb/c, or the 60-something series in the Mk IX. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know I think we have the 60 series in the FB MKVbs - even though they say 41/42, they're later revisions of the type.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also, the MK IX had a pair of radiators for cooling, while the MK V and Hurri had just the one, with somewhat less sophisticated (one might assume, being an earlier design) intakes. I'd expect them to be more prone to overheating. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The MKIIC and IIB should be fairly similar to the MkI though right? Did the cooling system change? I know looks can be deceiving as far as cooling systems go , but at least as far as FB models it - the Mk I dies very quickly from trying to maintain the same throttle percentage as the IIB/C.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As for the second-hand equipment: Great Britain was in dire financial straits throughout the war. They simply didn't have the resources for American style largess. Hell, they didn't have the resources to do what they did do. That's why it was their "finest hour."
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't mean that as a knock on the British at all - almost every country kept their good gear for home defence. Not like the australian government behaved any differently! :>

[I]Just when one thought it could not get worse, relations with Churchill soured. This arose when Churchill requested that Australian troops, who were returning to Australia from the North Africa campaign, be diverted to Burma to fight the Japanese advance in that country. However, with the fall of Singapore, sometimes called "Australia's Pearl Harbor", the bombing of Darwin, and Australia exposed to invasion, Curtin was anxious that the troops return home. He refused Churchill's request to divert the Australian troops. Curtin had previously expressed views about the position that Australia found itself in, isolated and vulnerable. On 27 December 1941, Curtin wrote an article for the Herald in Melbourne stating :

'We refuse to accept the dictum that the Pacific struggle must be treated as a subordinate segment of the general conflict. By that it is not meant any of the other theatres of war is of less importance than the Pacific, but that Australia asks for a concerted plan evoking the greatest strength at the democracies' disposal, determined upon hurling Japan back.'

http://john.curtin.edu.au/education/nhchallenge2002.html

WUAF_Badsight
09-30-2004, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You guys managed to fix the Spitfires overheating problem <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough* Bullsh!t *cough*

DeerHunterUK
10-01-2004, 04:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You guys managed to fix the Spitfires overheating problem <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough* Bullsh!t *cough* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're saying that you've managed to overheat a Spitfire since it was patched up then? I don't quite understand what you're trying to say.

WUAF_Badsight
10-01-2004, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You guys managed to fix the Spitfires overheating problem <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough* Bullsh!t *cough* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joeap
10-06-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You guys managed to fix the Spitfires overheating problem <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*cough* Bullsh!t *cough* <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agree with yourself? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Well ok, I agree with you too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cajun76
10-06-2004, 06:49 AM
Something must be wrong with the Spitfire. Really. I was told, after I dragged a Spit IX HF up to 8000m+ from roughly 3500m and dispatched him after a one? couple? of high speed headons (my gunnery and memory http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif sucks lately), that the Spit was 'disadvantaged' ( my question "disadvantage"?, his affermation, yes) in a fight with a P-47. He was taking up a Ta152 when the map changed, "for a more equal matchup". He says the Spit isn't much good above 6000m. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DuxCorvan
10-06-2004, 01:37 PM
"What is wrong with the British Aircraft?"

Well, they're usually full of heretics. No one waits the Spanish Inquisition! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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icrash
10-06-2004, 02:48 PM
The fact they paint targets on them has always bothered me. I have enough problems getting shot up without adding that.

wayno7777
10-06-2004, 10:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icrash:
The fact they paint targets on them has always bothered me. I have enough problems getting shot up without adding that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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