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Feathered_IV
10-21-2005, 05:08 AM
Its not perfect quality but amazing nonetheless.
I didn't realise how big the thing was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif.

Shinden footage (http://www.vit.or.jp/~tomo/gami/movie1/shinden.mpg)

Now, if I agree to hand in my 109Z............. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Enjoy!

Cajun76
10-21-2005, 08:50 AM
Badsight'll loove this... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Doug_Thompson
10-21-2005, 08:53 AM
Fascinating. The narration is good, too. I've read that the plane had some serious vibration problems with the boom leading from the engine to the propeller. This was probably fixable €" after all, it would have been a simple straight shaft compared to the geared gyzo in the P-39 series. However, since the Shinden's problem was never corrected before the war ended, we'll never know if the plane would have preformed as hoped.

It was taken to the U.S. but never flown there. It's in the Smithsonian's collection now, but I don't know if it's on display.

Apparently, there was nothing wrong with the principle. The design was reportedly much more successful than the American "Ascender." The heavy 30mm cannon in front helped balance the weight of the big engine and prop in back, for instance.

Waldo.Pepper
10-21-2005, 09:05 AM
That was AMAZING!

I never ever ever thought I'd ever see anything like that in my life.

Did you get a load of all the guys pushing it along?

That's right up there with the little clip I have of the He-162 flying!!!!

Did I say how awsome that was yet? That was AWESOME!!!!!!

Thanks.

Rebel_Yell_21
10-21-2005, 09:32 AM
Great footage.

Only one problem, though. The Shinden is doing what it did best.....not leave the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Kuna15
10-21-2005, 10:06 AM
What a good find. Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

p1ngu666
10-21-2005, 10:18 AM
badsight pr0n http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Feathered_IV
10-21-2005, 10:46 AM
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Glad you liked it Waldo'.

Just as a what if, I'd love to see one of those things go up against a Do335.

Tater-SW-
10-21-2005, 10:50 AM
I can't get it to connect.

tater

Doug_Thompson
10-21-2005, 11:01 AM
Great footage.

Only one problem, though. The Shinden is doing what it did best.....not leave the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Huh? Watch the clip all the way through. The plane's flight isn't until the end.

SeaFireLIV
10-21-2005, 11:04 AM
er... Is it me? Or does this Shinden actually NOT fly in the footage? I don`t want to be a party-pooper, but the most flying it does is being carried around by a bunch of men!

Still the actuall footage is amazing and it does do a run up towards take off...


But it don`t actually fly...

Rebel_Yell_21
10-21-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Huh? Watch the clip all the way through. The plane's flight isn't until the end.

Unless you saw something more than what is linked, it never even comes close to taking off.

Equilizer
10-21-2005, 11:11 AM
It landed at the end of the clip, I can only presume it must have been flying before that.

Doug_Thompson
10-21-2005, 11:12 AM
At the very, very end of the footage, the film is horribly overexposed as the Shinden takes off. The screen goes almost pure white. However, after that, the Shinden is clearly visable and flying as it comes in for a landing.

Rebel_Yell_21
10-21-2005, 11:21 AM
Ok, here's the problem. I have fast cable, so I just clicked the link and watched it immediately. However, when you do that, you watch a 1:20 video. If you save it, though, you watch a 2:13 video. The longer one has the landing footage, so flew it did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Doug_Thompson
10-21-2005, 11:23 AM
Ah. That explains it. Good find. You weren't the only one getting the "clipped" version, apparently.

JadehawkII
10-21-2005, 12:40 PM
I'm not sure this is the same footage I saw 2 years ago. (I'm on my lunch break) But the one I did see showed the airplane taking off and landing again. If I recall correctly, the flight lasted less than 30 min and was most likely the only flight it made before the war ended. Initial reports were it was better than what the Japanese expected in how it flew despite the several problems which are normal for a new aircraft anyway. Top speed, time to climb, etc. are all unknowns, but if the initial reports were favorable, I would assume the expected results would have been what the Japanese were looking for.
To me, the Shinden and Do-335 have somewhat a resemblance. Both have their engine(s) inline in the fuselage. Both have tricycle landing gear. Both have rear props with the exception of the Do-335 having an additional engine in the classic position in the front. And both are high off the ground as well. Shinden had a radial while the Do-335 had two liquid cooled engines. So very similar if you ask me.
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Badsight.
10-21-2005, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:

Shinden footage (http://www.vit.or.jp/~tomo/gami/movie1/shinden.mpg)

Enjoy!

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Doug_Thompson
10-21-2005, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by JadehawkII:
I'm not sure this is the same footage I saw 2 years ago. (I'm on my lunch break) But the one I did see showed the airplane taking off and landing again. If I recall correctly, the flight lasted less than 30 min and was most likely the only flight it made before the war ended. Initial reports were it was better than what the Japanese expected in how it flew despite the several problems which are normal for a new aircraft anyway. Top speed, time to climb, etc. are all unknowns, but if the initial reports were favorable, I would assume the expected results would have been what the Japanese were looking for.
To me, the Shinden and Do-335 have somewhat a resemblance. Both have their engine(s) inline in the fuselage. Both have tricycle landing gear. Both have rear props with the exception of the Do-335 having an additional engine in the classic position in the front. And both are high off the ground as well. Shinden had a radial while the Do-335 had two liquid cooled engines. So very similar if you ask me.
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There were two flights that lasted a grand total of 45 minutes, IIRC. The test pilot never raised the landing gear.

The major problems consisted of:

1. The engine heated up quickly on the ground. That was considered fixable.

2. The shaft leading to the propeller caused excessive vibration. Also considered fixable.

The "Raiden" had similar problems with vibrations. Just guessing, but the heating problem could have been solved by a Raiden-like fan to draw more air over the engine.

As for a Do-335 matchup with this plane, that's purely speculative. However, I'd contend the Shinden would probably be more manueverable €" if it didn't have any unknown, vicious flight characteristics.

PS from the Web site for the National Air and Space Museum, which has the last remaining Shinden:


Engine cooling problems, delays in the delivery of critical equipment for each airframe, and nationwide chaos felt in every part of the aircraft industry kept the J7W1 grounded until August 3, 1945. This day, Captain Tsuruno made the first flight. He took the Shinden aloft only twice more, on the 6th and the 9th of August. The war ended six days later. Tsuruno must have suspected that the end was near but he remained a cautious and conservative test pilot. In flight, he never raised the landing gear and the Shinden clocked just 45 minutes of total flying time. These short flights revealed several potentially serious problems. The airplane pulled hard right with applications of full engine power at takeoff and the propeller and drive shaft exhibited strong vibrations.

Badsight.
10-21-2005, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by JadehawkII:
If I recall correctly, the flight lasted less than 30 min and was most likely the only flight it made before the war ended. The only Kyushu J7W1 completed flew Twice for a total of around 45 minutes

probably wheels down the entire first flight

the footage in the TOTALLY AWESOME video posted by Feathered_IV shows the landing from one of those flights

the rumble vibration from the prop shaft was the only reported running problem . OTOH engine heating while taxiing & engine torque on takeoff were operating idiosyncricies the Shinden would have had to live with

while the Shinden was huge like the Do-335 it would have been manouverable unlike the Do-335

http://img432.imageshack.us/img432/3729/kyushuj7wshindenwithcrewposing.jpg

four 30mm cannon
2150 Hp 18 cyl radial
500 Mph Top Speed (expected)
now resides at the Smithsonium storage facility in the states

EDIT : Doug_Thompson posted as i was typing this out

shinden1974
10-21-2005, 03:20 PM
YESSSSSS!!!

It certainly is unique (or near unique), this one has always picked at my imagination and I've kept it's name as my handle as long as I've been on the internet.

Scrapper_511
10-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Imagine if they had Sony camcorders back then...

Cajun76
10-21-2005, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
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Shinden footage (http://www.vit.or.jp/~tomo/gami/movie1/shinden.mpg)

Enjoy!

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See? Told ya... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Great find and thanks for sharing btw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Feathered_IV
10-21-2005, 07:56 PM
Just a reminder to those wanting to watch this short video. Right click on the link and select: Save Target As http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

FritzGryphon
10-21-2005, 08:10 PM
Not so fast. That video only shows the plane landing. You can't prove it was able to take off!

Waldo.Pepper
10-21-2005, 10:46 PM
The movie file has some pretty interesting properties. I have been trying to convert it into an avi file so that I can use Virtualdub filters to mess around with the bightness/contrast... to maybe tease out some details.

But every thing I try to do with the file to get it into an avi file fails.

Virtualdub can deal with the file as is... but the video comes out black. Which is peculiar and I have never seen this behaviour before.

So this is what I have tried thusfar.

If I drive the file through Windows Movie Maker... it processes the file, but only for the first 40 seconds. (which is kind of like what some people who tried to download it had said... I.E. these people could only view the portion of the file which was non flying).

EOVideo chokes on the file.

Winavivideo converter will convert the file into a wmv file.

I wonder what the person who made the file in the first place did to it, or how they made it?

Anyone have any ideas on what to do to get it into an avi format that Virtual dub can modify?

IL2-chuter
10-22-2005, 02:33 AM
I've seen the plane in the Smithsonian and stuck my head in the cockpit. It was all apart and palatized. Rather corroded though the shop will be able, eventually, to bring it back to life. Two planes were finished and one flew. The Smithsonian's is the one in the movie.

The first part of the movie shows the bent prop tips after the first takeoff and roughly fifteen minute flight around the patch before the plane could be landed (that's what they told me at the Smithsonian, anyway . . . ). I really don't think it would have been a good fighter due to the canard layout. Either you build in too much stability (for a fighter) or you make the canard too prone too stalling (to prevent excessive or runaway AOA). It might have made a good B-29 attacker, though. The USAAF gave up on the AssEnder (Smithsonian again, currently being overhauled in Michigan I think) for these conceptual reasons, not because of its poor performance. A better engine or a redesign would not have made a superior aircraft. It had to be tried though.


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SeaFireLIV
10-22-2005, 04:22 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Just a reminder to those wanting to watch this short video. Right click on the link and select: Save Target As http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AGH! Now I see it! Apologies for thinking the Shinden didn`t fly- It does. What an amazing machine. I thought the Germans thought of all the weird stuff, but once again, I learn (and see) something I never thought I would! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

(I have also learned something about saving a link rather than just clicking it!)

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Badsight.
10-22-2005, 02:23 PM
its on the first page people . . . .

Tater-SW-
10-22-2005, 02:55 PM
Is it only me, or has that link been dead since yesterday?

tater

joeap
10-22-2005, 03:09 PM
It's only you, just watched it and it rocks!!!

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-22-2005, 05:20 PM
This aircraft looks like something from crimson skies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Very nice!!

Capt.England
10-23-2005, 06:54 AM
If only this plane was added to PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tater-SW-
10-23-2005, 08:17 AM
I tried that link with 3 different computers running 2 different OSes with 5 different browsers. It times out. WTF.

tater

Feathered_IV
10-23-2005, 04:48 PM
Hmm. Have you tried the save target as thing? Maybe a free program like Download Accelerator Plus might help too. It drags stuff through much quicker and lets you resume if the download times out. Good luck!

lronSight
10-23-2005, 06:17 PM
Wow, impressive.

I'm glad it's still intact somewhere on the earth so the accomplishments of the Imperial Japanese Airforce can be recognized.

Badsight.
10-24-2005, 04:15 AM
RGRT Ironsight , because of its looks & potential its not surprising that the sole complete Shinden has survived being scrapped

i just hope they get onto the Shinden's restoration soon - its been too long in Storage . the Curtis XP55 Ascender has been finished now for a month or two & the US public are soon going to be able to go see it as a fully restored static display

aside from those two which are fairly well knowen , this thing here flew before the both of them - made in Italy before the WW2 started . i only know its name & only then because another forum member here let me know about it .
the Ambrosini SAI SS-4
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/5976/ambrosinisaiss413zj.jpg

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4118/ambrosinisaiss424kz.jpg is a pity nothing of this prototype survives today