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The_Stealth_Owl
09-26-2009, 07:21 AM
I love it!

My new ride! I'l make a AO (Arctic Owls) skin for it...

Its my killing tool!


First second online, and its ready to jump inot a fight!

What do you guys think?

Treetop64
09-26-2009, 07:39 AM
Glad you like the Yak. Wait until you fly the LaGG-5FNs and LaGG-7s.

The Russians produced some of the best fighter aircraft of the war. They had to, considering the way the Luftwaffe was stomping them down in the early years...

deepo_HP
09-26-2009, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
the LaGG-5FNs and LaGG-7s
it is 'La-5 FN' and 'La-7'.
although designed all by the same bureau of 'Lavochkin', only the early type 1 and 3 was added the double-g to represent the participation of the two team-members 'Gorbunov' and 'Gudkov' ('LaGG-3').

edit:
after wondering what happened to G&G, i searched a bit... based partially on the LaGG-3 but with a radial engine, Lavochkin developed the La-5, Gorbunov the similar LaG-5, and Gudkov the Gu-82 (for the ASch-82 engine). Gorbunov's and Gudkov's designs didn't make it into larger productions (i think?)

i find this way of naming very respectful...
and thx for the reply to confirm, that Gorbunov and Gidkov left, treetop. didn't exactly know before the edit.

Treetop64
09-26-2009, 07:55 AM
Ooohh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

I knew that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Thanks anyway!

And yes, Gorb and Goud did leave

AndyJWest
09-26-2009, 07:59 AM
Owl, practice spin recovery in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I've always Preferred the La's to the Yaks myself, mainly because of my abysmal aim.

The_Stealth_Owl
09-26-2009, 08:02 AM
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt138/SILVERFISH1992/ArcticOwlsYakScreenshot.png

Treetop64
09-26-2009, 08:05 AM
Ok.

Um, dood...

Slow down and take your time with the skins, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Wildnoob
09-26-2009, 09:08 AM
according to VVS veterans and IL2, the later Yak-9 models are considerable superior to LW aicraft at constant low and medium altitude engagements, and the U has improved high altitude performance, while still inferior though.

but already hear many sources say the Yak-9 was something like just "quantity over quality". I know it have a lot of imperfections, but they want mean it was always inferior to German figthers.

folks, in RL do you think the Yak-9 was really inferior even when in it's high performance environment?

I'm very skeptic about this, when all things work properly no way. even the early versions when well flow where a very hard match.

Erkki_M
09-26-2009, 09:30 AM
Actually my favourite plane(to fly, and often to fight too with) is the Jak-9. Then Jak-1B, Jak-9D... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

P-51D favourite to fight with though, it beats the crap out of anything Jerries can put up against it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Treetop64
09-26-2009, 10:47 AM
Inferior in what way? Because performance-wise, hardly anything could touch the Yak-3s and 9s below 4000 meters. Now if you're talking about manufacturing build quality-wise, then yeah, Yaks in general were inferior. But not enough for it to matter. They still were more than enough to help get the job done.

DIRTY-MAC
09-26-2009, 11:22 AM
The cool thing is that the Yak 9U is an exellent diver, it can attain speeds up to 800km/h in a dive withoyght dissintegrate,
the La5/7s cant do that.

Wildnoob
09-26-2009, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Inferior in what way? Because performance-wise, hardly anything could touch the Yak-3s and 9s below 4000 meters. Now if you're talking about manufacturing build quality-wise, then yeah, Yaks in general were inferior. But not enough for it to matter. They still were more than enough to help get the job done.

yeah, exactly wat I also think.

say that in relation to the sources who claim this.

in fact many people think the USSR always produced inferior aircraft only in large numbers.

already lost account the number of people I've told planes like the La-5FN, La-7 and later Yaks are superior to German aircraft at prolongate low and medium altitude engagements and they simple can't belive the VVS could have airplanes like those.

altough all depends on the way the planes are flow, and the balance came with their very poor high altitude one, so thefore both air forces aicraft where competitive until the end.

TinyTim
09-26-2009, 12:49 PM
Yak-9U was quite different from other Yak-9 series aircraft. It sported new VK-107 engine with 1650HP (imagine this in that small, light airframe - cca 2500kg empty, 3100kg takeoff!), as opposed to 1200HP Klimov VK-105PF that was powering the rest of the Yak-9 family.

I read somewhere that Yak-9U was dubbed "the Russian Mustang" by the Germans. Undoubtedly, one of the finest fighters of WW2 as well as in IL-2.

An interesting piece of information from Russian sources - an average ammunition expenditure per air kill was 45 20mm ShVAK shells and 82 12,7mm UBS rounds.

There's a Yak-9U on display in the Aviation Museum in Seattle.

Daiichidoku
09-26-2009, 01:37 PM
try the yak3 VK-107....

TS_Sancho
09-26-2009, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
try the yak3 VK-107....

rgr on the Yak3, arguably the best 1v1 pure dogfighter in the game.

koivis
09-26-2009, 02:36 PM
Agree, late Yaks are excellent dogfighters! Yak-3, Yak-9U/UT and last but not least the Yak-3 VK-107, a real hot-rod. They made a Yak-3 with even more powerful (1850 hp) VK-108 too, only one prototype was made though.

Now, imagine how awesome would a Yak-3 have been with a fully-boosted 2200 hp V-1650-9 (from P-51H)? Something like 790 kph at 6 kilometers? And the climb rate? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Given that the currently flying Yak-3 has Allison, not impossible...

M_Gunz
09-26-2009, 03:08 PM
Wildnoob, they left rough corners and did not do other non-essential finishing (filing, sanding, treating) and
also not always had the radio. That kind of inferior. But there are people who will know better and use the words
that say less to play at implying more that is not true. Next thing you know, that is the story being told.

When someone says "inferior" you ask them "just how?" and see what they say then.

AFJ_rsm
09-26-2009, 03:21 PM
Respectfully disagree to all of the above and probably most of those who will post after me.


I'll just add this to the thread:

bf 109 g2.


Yes.

Wildnoob
09-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Wildnoob, they left rough corners and did not do other non-essential finishing (filing, sanding, treating) and
also not always had the radio. That kind of inferior. But there are people who will know better and use the words
that say less to play at implying more that is not true. Next thing you know, that is the story being told.

When someone says "inferior" you ask them "just how?" and see what they say then.

thanks for your reply M_Gunz!

yes. I know this, the problem is the kind of sources I cited didn't especified anything, they just say "inferior", but this inferiority is relative as we know.

so when they say that, they are providing a wrong for information for people, in fact a partial wich make them thougth it is a general one.

the La-5/7 where considerated "primitive" by the Germans due to requery more pilot workload with many manual controls who where automatic in western aircraft. a more correct term would be simple, as the VVS manage to overtake this issue with the gain of performance, and once the pilot's became fully adapted, it wasn't a so big problem, despite that is a drawback, especially for the vast demmand of training new pilot's quickly during the wartime.

well, just a constructive critic for those sources from my part, thanks for the informations folks!

The_Stealth_Owl
09-26-2009, 04:15 PM
Yak-2 or Yak-3 VK-107 or the Yak-9U ?

Phil_C
09-27-2009, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Ok.

Um, dood...

Slow down and take your time with the skins, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


And with the posts... barely a month in and already almost 600 posts... no wonder why you were banned from the modding site... noone likes a post whoring flooder.

WTE_Galway
09-27-2009, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Ok.

Um, dood...

Slow down and take your time with the skins, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


And with the posts... barely a month in and already almost 600 posts... no wonder why you were banned from the modding site... noone likes a post whoring flooder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL .. well the lad does have enthusiasm

M_Gunz
09-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Ok.

Um, dood...

Slow down and take your time with the skins, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


And with the posts... barely a month in and already almost 600 posts... no wonder why you were banned from the modding site... noone likes a post whoring flooder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't have to read them. You don't even have to see them. He's 13-14 and maybe on a permanent sugar-high.

Phil_C
09-27-2009, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Ok.

Um, dood...

Slow down and take your time with the skins, ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


And with the posts... barely a month in and already almost 600 posts... no wonder why you were banned from the modding site... noone likes a post whoring flooder. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOL .. well the lad does have enthusiasm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true. which is a good thing.

deepo_HP
09-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_C:
noone likes a post whoring flooder.

You don't have to read them. You don't even have to see them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>that is certainly true... however, the nature of forum-participation is not to avoid reading posts and threads.

i don't know, if stealth_owl is flooding. if he is spamming is not my business, but the forum's.

nevertheless, stealth_owl should at least keep the additional symbols out of his topics. they are in the same category as using caps, they don't even appear all time, they don't contain any message and the only means is getting attention.
even more questionable, if they are edited later like in this topic...

if stealth_owl is 13 or 83 i don't know, and i don't bother for good and bad. imo, his age is already considered for most of the content of his posts - this shouldn't include basic forum-etiquette.

na85
09-27-2009, 08:26 PM
This isn't 4chan, we don't need silly ASCII art in the subject line.

Tuphlandng
09-28-2009, 08:56 AM
Title:Yak-9U


Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I love it!

My new ride! I'l make a AO (Arctic Owls) skin for it...

Its my killing tool!


First second online, and its ready to jump inot a fight!

What do you guys think?

I am just curios where in the Title or the first post does it say,Lets pick on the 14 year old"?

Give the kid some slack for crying out loud. He started this thread made his post and some of you guys started picking on him about stuff that had nothing to do with this thread. I really think that some of you see The_Stealth_owl and tell all your cl icky friends that Owl started another thread LETS GO PICK ON HIM. Freaking grow up. I think his Arctic Owl Plane is awesome and if I thought differently I would keep it to myself unless he asked.

And the second page??????????
You guys and your infinite wisdom stole the kids thread to do nothing more then ridicule GOOD JOB GUYS 5 posts about how to fix the OWL.
But then"Yak-2 or Yak-3 VK-107 or the Yak-9U ?" really is a toughy.

Oh ya Think you Owl for all your help when I first registered here,for making my sig,showing how to post an avatar,inviting me to your sites making my web site,that I haven't touched in over a month cuss I cant remember how to change stuff, helping me to feel welcome, telling me to fix my grammar and for just being a friend.

The_Stealth_Owl
09-28-2009, 02:13 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

WTE_Galway
09-28-2009, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Tuphlandng:
Title:Yak-9U

But then"Yak-2 or Yak-3 VK-107 or the Yak-9U ?" really is a toughy.



Well the Yak 2 was a 3 seat light bomber ... so thats obviously a typo or he means something else ...

YAK 2 ...

http://www.aviapress.com/engl/amo/amo7241_1.jpg


As for the other two, same wings same engine so in the same ball park for performance ... though isn't the 9U meant to be an escort/interceptor something like the Mustang and the Yak 3 more akin to a Spitfire? I do recall the higher the altitude the better the 9U looks in comparison.

VW-IceFire
09-28-2009, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tuphlandng:
Title:Yak-9U

But then"Yak-2 or Yak-3 VK-107 or the Yak-9U ?" really is a toughy.



Well the Yak 2 was a 3 seat light bomber ... so thats obviously a typo or he means something else ...

YAK 2 ...

http://www.aviapress.com/engl/amo/amo7241_1.jpg


As for the other two, same wings same engine so in the same ball park for performance ... though isn't the 9U meant to be an escort/interceptor something like the Mustang and the Yak 3 more akin to a Spitfire? I do recall the higher the altitude the better the 9U looks in comparison. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Yak-9U was an improved version of the earlier Yak-9 series mostly fitted with the new VK-107 engine which was considerably more powerful. It was also a mostly aluminum and steel design replacing the wooden components. There was an escort Yak version called the Yak-9DD with removed machine guns (only the 20mm cannon firing from the prop hub was retained) and increased fuel capacity over the Yak-9D which was already a longer range aircraft. The 9U wasn't purposely an escort aircraft...just a fighter that could serve a number of purposes.

The Yak-3 was a lightweight fighter versus the Yak-9 series which was heavier. Both Yak-3 and Yak-9 are highly agile aircraft but the Yak-3 has more of an emphasis on being a lightweight manoeuvrable aircraft while the Yak-9 and particularly the Yak-9U were a little bit more about speed.

Basically it goes like this:

Yak-1 > developed into > Yak-3
Yak-7 > developed into > Yak-9 series

Kettenhunde
09-28-2009, 07:55 PM
The Yak-3 was a lightweight fighter versus the Yak-9 series which was heavier. Both Yak-3 and Yak-9 are highly agile aircraft but the Yak-3 has more of an emphasis on being a lightweight manoeuvrable aircraft while the Yak-9 and particularly the Yak-9U were a little bit more about speed.


The Clark series airfoil chosen has a very low CLmax giving the Yak series a very high stall speed. It was not designed by any stretch of the imagination to fly small circles at low speed like the Spitfire or the Zeke.

Its design philosophy is more in line with the P51 or FW-190 series. It was designed to go fast and sustain the fight at high speed. In that sense it is very maneuverable capable of sustaining a very high load factor. As a high speed dogfighter IMHO, it is one the most optimal fighters of the war.

All the best,

Crumpp

Treetop64
09-28-2009, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Tuphlandng:
Title:Yak-9U

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I love it!

My new ride! I'l make a AO (Arctic Owls) skin for it...

Its my killing tool!


First second online, and its ready to jump inot a fight!

What do you guys think?

I am just curios where in the Title or the first post does it say,Lets pick on the 14 year old"?

Give the kid some slack for crying out loud. He started this thread made his post and some of you guys started picking on him about stuff that had nothing to do with this thread. I really think that some of you see The_Stealth_owl and tell all your cl icky friends that Owl started another thread LETS GO PICK ON HIM. Freaking grow up. I think his Arctic Owl Plane is awesome and if I thought differently I would keep it to myself unless he asked.

And the second page??????????
You guys and your infinite wisdom stole the kids thread to do nothing more then ridicule GOOD JOB GUYS 5 posts about how to fix the OWL.
But then"Yak-2 or Yak-3 VK-107 or the Yak-9U ?" really is a toughy.

Oh ya Think you Owl for all your help when I first registered here,for making my sig,showing how to post an avatar,inviting me to your sites making my web site,that I haven't touched in over a month cuss I cant remember how to change stuff, helping me to feel welcome, telling me to fix my grammar and for just being a friend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're overreacting. No one is picking on the kid. No one is stealing threads. And certainly no one is seeking out Owls threads to pick on him. If you interpret it that way then that is in your mind.

We are all acutely aware of his age, however he is a member of this forum, and like the rest of us he's just as subject to the nags and pulls everyone dishes out on everyone else here.

Yes, he's gotten a few elbow jabs, but who hasn't in this community. Visit Owls past posts, and you will see more encouragement than anything else for replies - even from me.

It's not as much drama as you presented...

Woke_Up_Dead
09-29-2009, 12:45 AM
The Yak 9U is very nice, very fast, and you better fly it that way, because unlike the smaller and lighter Yak 3 it complains when you maneuver hard below 320km/h. Keep it above 350 and it will be happy.

VW-IceFire
10-01-2009, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The Yak-3 was a lightweight fighter versus the Yak-9 series which was heavier. Both Yak-3 and Yak-9 are highly agile aircraft but the Yak-3 has more of an emphasis on being a lightweight manoeuvrable aircraft while the Yak-9 and particularly the Yak-9U were a little bit more about speed.


The Clark series airfoil chosen has a very low CLmax giving the Yak series a very high stall speed. It was not designed by any stretch of the imagination to fly small circles at low speed like the Spitfire or the Zeke.

Its design philosophy is more in line with the P51 or FW-190 series. It was designed to go fast and sustain the fight at high speed. In that sense it is very maneuverable capable of sustaining a very high load factor. As a high speed dogfighter IMHO, it is one the most optimal fighters of the war.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not exactly what I was getting at but you've added some excellent information to the discussion.

The Yak is surprising to most who fly it in IL-2...the higher speed turn and the superb roll rate are not something that is thought of at first when someone flies a Yak. Still they can dogfight fairly successfully until the speed drops. Depending on the opposition.

TS_Sancho
10-02-2009, 03:14 PM
Still they can dogfight fairly successfully until the speed drops

My experience with the Yak 3 (in the game of course) is somewhat contradictory.

Its one of the few aircraft in game I actually dont frett about if my enemy tries to slow the fight down as its rate of acceleration at low speed is awesome.

It has a lot of excess power and can hold a pretty high alpha angle as well as being able to sustain a higher G force than most of its contemporaries.

Kind of the best of both worlds.

When I was introduced to the Yak I was told that anything it cant out turn it can out run and I find this to be very true.

You've got to give the Yak3 a lot of credit, for a pure dogfighter its a very competent design.