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ARCHIE_CALVERT
11-30-2005, 06:00 PM
How would Europe have faired if it had been a united continent but for Nazi Germany. And America had a Germanic origin that owed her allegiance to the Nazi mother country?

How would the European kites have stood up if they had fought against the Germanic made P-47, P-38's etc... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Because of the distance would there have been huge Battle Fleets protecting the mighty convoys of Airstrip Carriers full of Europes best aircraft... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Flight of fancy it maybe, but what a War...

Please, your thought's€¦

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/GermanicUSG02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/Secudus/GermanicUSG03.jpg

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LEBillfish
11-30-2005, 06:11 PM
Well.......first off the English players here would now be griping how the .50 Caliber U.S. round is overmodeled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

arcadeace
11-30-2005, 06:23 PM
Lol that is just so true.

Is this another naughty spam thread?

SkyChimp
11-30-2005, 06:36 PM
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

Chadburn
11-30-2005, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

SkyChimp
11-30-2005, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Chadburn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So it would have been a Win-Win situation?

neural_dream
11-30-2005, 06:50 PM
If America was germanic then WW1 would've been won by the Germans and they wouldn't need to start a second one.

Chadburn
11-30-2005, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:

So it would have been a Win-Win situation? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

darkhorizon11
11-30-2005, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Chadburn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch, now thats a low blow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Somebody has never tried Sam Adams! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AVG_WarHawk
11-30-2005, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere.

JadehawkII
11-30-2005, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ouch, now thats a low blow. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Somebody has never tried Sam Adams! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!
Someone say Samual Adams? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Estocade85
11-30-2005, 07:47 PM
you forgot about exotic US drinks, invented during the prohibition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

chris455
11-30-2005, 08:14 PM
So, instead of the P-47 being nicknamed "The Jug" it might have been referred to as "The Stein"?

jensenpark
11-30-2005, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by chris455:
So, instead of the P-47 being nicknamed "The Jug" it might have been referred to as "The Stein"?

LOL! Great one!

Copperhead310th
11-30-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifHell yeah! Right on Chimpy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
LMFAO!
that's one for the Sigs.

Copperhead310th
11-30-2005, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Flying Dog is the best there is.

Europeian beer is flat and dry. like trying to drink a f-ing liquafied gym sock. disgusting.

ElAurens
11-30-2005, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

Nah, we'd just have P51s with a 45 minute endurance, Ford Tri Motors as the basic Army transport aircraft, and no naval aircraft of any kind.

Ishmael932
11-30-2005, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Chadburn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You ought to try Red Tail or Blue Heron Ale. Trader Joes carries it. After all, how can you knock a beer made in a town called Hopland, California. Also a great brandy is made in Ukiah, CA called Germain-Robin. Hubert Germain-Robin's family made cognac in Cognac for 200 years before he moved to California and started making alembic-still brandies from California wines.

WTE_Ibis
12-01-2005, 12:56 AM
The only beer is in Oz m8 and the P51 would be a
Schnapps as it is now for our horse whisperers, pony tamers in my sig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

polak5
12-01-2005, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Estocade85:
you forgot about exotic US drinks, invented during the prohibition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

moonshine is not exotic
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by polak5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Estocade85:
you forgot about exotic US drinks, invented during the prohibition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

moonshine is not exotic
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One man's moonshine is another man's medicine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

ploughman
12-01-2005, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Flying Dog is the best there is.

Europeian beer is flat and dry. like trying to drink a f-ing liquafied gym sock. disgusting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That just ain't so. I'm sure there're some fine ales being brewed in the USA, but saying European beer is flat and dry is like saying women are short, crusty and ugly. Some are, most are not.

Try a Theakston's Old Peculiar next time you're in northern England, or pint of Young's Special if you're down south, those'll put hairs on your chest and if you think they're cr@p you're beyond help.

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Flying Dog is the best there is.

Europeian beer is flat and dry. like trying to drink a f-ing liquafied gym sock. disgusting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Try a Theakston's Old Peculiar </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I know her! Short and crusty right?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Seriously though, until I had tried beer from the private brewerie's in Germany, I was also in the dark.

I blindly compared N.American beers with European beers, just as many do. Nothing compares to the beer you'll get from a private brewery that's been in the family for hundreds of years.

The best commercial beer I've tried was from Czech(no, not BudSqueezer). Second would be "Duckstein" from the "platt" area of Germany. I've also been seen having wreckless affairs with Guiness. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, when I talk about private breweries, this excludes those who sell in stores. You can only get it at certain bars, restaurants, and cafes or directly from the brewer.

Fritz

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-01-2005, 04:45 AM
Back to the original supposition, the Canucks would surely have been in D.C. within two weeks.
With an Axis leaning USA, Japan would not attack, leaving Australian troops free to rampage through North Africa, Italy and Southern Germany. A French fear of American culture would result in a much more robust attitude to invading Germany and an enormous British built bomber would have been designed and built within a matter of weeks to deliver bouncing tallboys into New York from far out into the Atlantic. You most certainly would not get any Merlins for the P-51, thereby certainly losing the ability to win the war. Royal Marine Commando units would land at will all along those enourmous undefendable coastlines and force the terrified populace into cross-dressing and mud wrestling parties, frightening the locals into subservience. A fifth collumn of seemingly effette British actors would ensure the swift capitulation of Hollywood, resulting in a non-stop barrage of Carry on films, Benny Hill, and Teletubbies, that would so outrage middle America industrial and agricultural production would plummet to negligable levels, peace would literally be begged for by hungry vagrants in the streets of once proud towns and cities. Specially chosen Sottish troops, bearing battered mars bars and tankers full of Irn-Bru would be greeted as liberators. Soccer would soon become the national sport, naked females would adorn the pages of the most widely read newspapers to further keep the common people in their place. Don't mess with the British.

My two Bob's worth.

jds1978
12-01-2005, 04:48 AM
If Germany and the US had been allied in WW2 ole Henry Ford and Chuck Lindberg would've had a field day

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Back to the original supposition, the Canucks would surely have been in D.C. within two weeks.
With an Axis leaning USA, Japan would not attack, leaving Australian troops free to rampage through North Africa, Italy and Southern Germany. A French fear of American culture would result in a much more robust attitude to invading Germany and an enormous British built bomber would have been designed and built within a matter of weeks to deliver bouncing tallboys into New York from far out into the Atlantic. You most certainly would not get any Merlins for the P-51, thereby certainly losing the ability to win the war. Royal Marine Commando units would land at will all along those enourmous undefendable coastlines and force the terrified populace into cross-dressing and mud wrestling parties, frightening the locals into subservience. A fifth collumn of seemingly effette British actors would ensure the swift capitulation of Hollywood, resulting in a non-stop barrage of Carry on films, Benny Hill, and Teletubbies, that would so outrage middle America industrial and agricultural production would plummet to negligable levels, peace would literally be begged for by hungry vagrants in the streets of once proud towns and cities. Specially chosen Sottish troops, bearing battered mars bars and tankers full of Irn-Bru would be greeted as liberators. Soccer would soon become the national sport, naked females would adorn the pages of the most widely read newspapers to further keep the common people in their place. Don't mess with the British.

My two Bob's worth.

The recipe for Eden? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 05:01 AM
Had Germany and the US joined together, the US wouldn't have had to pay such a high price for advanced technology. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Here come the flag-wavers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz

nakamura_kenji
12-01-2005, 05:05 AM
mercedes db601 in p51 or radial p51 >_<

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-01-2005, 05:06 AM
Here come the flag-wavers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/Low_Flyer/flag.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sy-subrc
12-01-2005, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
mercedes db601 in p51 or radial p51 >_<
Should fit - actually the P-51 was developped by a german (ex-)Messerschmidt employee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-01-2005, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by sy-subrc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
mercedes db601 in p51 or radial p51 >_<
Should fit - actually the P-51 was developped by a german (ex-)Messerschmidt employee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Source, please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

nakamura_kenji
12-01-2005, 05:19 AM
i see p51 do ki-61 ^_^

p51(inline db601) => p90(radial p51)
ki-61(inline ha-40)=> ki-100(radial ki-61)

sy-subrc
12-01-2005, 05:25 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sy-subrc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
mercedes db601 in p51 or radial p51 >_<
Should fit - actually the P-51 was developped by a german (ex-)Messerschmidt employee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Source, please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you have:

http://www.aviation-history.com/north-american/p51.html

An excerpt:

In late 1939, with the likelihood of full scale war in Europe a major concern, the British Royal Air Force was looking seriously at methods of quickly increasing its fighter strength. In April 1940, the British Air Purchasing Commission approached North American Aviation with the intent of having them build P-40's for the R.A.F. Instead, North American offered to build an entirely new fighter using the same Allison V-1710-39 engine as the P-40. The British agreed only on the stipulation that a prototype be on hand within 120 days. North American designers Raymond Rice and Edgar Schmued immediately set about meeting the requirements. Schmued had been a part of Willy Messerschmitt's design group in Germany; no doubt the somewhat angular lines of the new fighter came from this relationship.

ploughman
12-01-2005, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Flying Dog is the best there is.

Europeian beer is flat and dry. like trying to drink a f-ing liquafied gym sock. disgusting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Try a Theakston's Old Peculiar </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I know her! Short and crusty right?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Seriously though, until I had tried beer from the private brewerie's in Germany, I was also in the dark.

I blindly compared N.American beers with European beers, just as many do. Nothing compares to the beer you'll get from a private brewery that's been in the family for hundreds of years.

The best commercial beer I've tried was from Czech(no, not BudSqueezer). Second would be "Duckstein" from the "platt" area of Germany. I've also been seen having wreckless affairs with Guiness. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, when I talk about private breweries, this excludes those who sell in stores. You can only get it at certain bars, restaurants, and cafes or directly from the brewer.

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, I thought you were from the Bamburg area, that's god's own brewing country down there. There's like a gazzillion private breweries that only service bars in that area. I'm not a lager man, preferring the ales and bitters myself, but if I was to drink lagers or pilsner it'd be from that part of the world.

Guiness is for people who like to drink liquid ice-cream, there is no surer way to get fat than sitting on a bars-tool sucking on Guiness apart from reverse-lyposuction.

*Edited for embarrassing grammatical errors.

Jatro13th
12-01-2005, 05:33 AM
Reply to the original question:

If my Grandma had wheels it would be a skateboard
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
12-01-2005, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by sy-subrc:


The P51 is angular?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Sturm_Williger
12-01-2005, 05:46 AM
Without getting into the beer debate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I can see one big problem with a Germanic US on the side of the Axis... No Lend-Lease.

Tickets for the UK ( and Russia had that happened ).

But then we'd all be drinking Paulaner Dunkel ... mmmmmmmmmmm

sy-subrc
12-01-2005, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sy-subrc:


The P51 is angular?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These weren't my words but only a quote, so no need to argue. It was only about Edgar Schmued - I personally don't care about the the P-51 beeing angular, roundish, slim, chubby or whatever...

neural_dream
12-01-2005, 05:54 AM
It isn't spitfire really. I find it quite angular meself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

Ankanor
12-01-2005, 05:54 AM
WEll, not all of us have the opportunity to try micro-brewed beer. And as far as the common brands are concerned, well, with my (limited) knowledge, american beer tastes like mustang P http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I can't take a pic, but I have next to me a couple of Pilsner Urquell with a ******ss between them.

P.S. On TV(German) you can see numerous ads of Bitburger, Warsteiner, Krombacher, etc. No ads of Pilsner Urquell whatsoever. Pilsner Urquell doesn't need advertising http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

neural_dream
12-01-2005, 05:56 AM
I like L¶wenbr¤u. How ignorant am I?

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-01-2005, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by sy-subrc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sy-subrc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nakamura_kenji:
mercedes db601 in p51 or radial p51 >_<
Should fit - actually the P-51 was developped by a german (ex-)Messerschmidt employee http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Source, please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here you have:

http://www.aviation-history.com/north-american/p51.html

An excerpt:

In late 1939, with the likelihood of full scale war in Europe a major concern, the British Royal Air Force was looking seriously at methods of quickly increasing its fighter strength. In April 1940, the British Air Purchasing Commission approached North American Aviation with the intent of having them build P-40's for the R.A.F. Instead, North American offered to build an entirely new fighter using the same Allison V-1710-39 engine as the P-40. The British agreed only on the stipulation that a prototype be on hand within 120 days. North American designers Raymond Rice and Edgar Schmued immediately set about meeting the requirements. Schmued had been a part of Willy Messerschmitt's design group in Germany; no doubt the somewhat angular lines of the new fighter came from this relationship. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the first I've heard of him working for Messerschmitt. General Motors, yes. We appear to have conflicting sources.

http://www.airandspacemagazine.com/ASM/Mag/Index/1996/AS/wmtm.html

"Early in 1930, a German-born engineer of Austrian extraction arrived in the United States from Brazil, where he had lived since 1925. Short, with craggy features and a shock of black hair, the ambitious emigre from post-Versailles Europe would keep a thick German accent all his life. By the account of those who knew him, it gave a professorial impressiveness to his speech.

His name was Edgar Schmued. Born one day before the turn of the century, he had grown up under the tutelage of a devoted father to become a mechanical engineer of considerable ingenuity. By the age of 23 he already held several German patents for gadgets related to automobile engines. In Brazil he had worked for General Motors as a field service manager in Sao Paulo, but America lured him with an opportunity that he had craved ever since, at the age of eight, he had seen a Wright flying machine pass overhead. America meant a chance to design airplanes."

Living in Brazil since 1925.....strange.

Better let the experts loose on this one. Is there a SkyChimp in the house?

Xiolablu3
12-01-2005, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyChimp:
If Germany and the US had been allied, then Germany would have finally had access to some decent planes.

And Americans would have access to some decent beer... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So it would have been a Win-Win situation? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_Goat
12-01-2005, 06:41 AM
http://beerpictures.net/becks/becks-beer-pictures-t01.jpg <-------SUCKS

Grue_
12-01-2005, 06:47 AM
I had a Bud the other day.

I don't know what urine tastes like but it can't be far off the taste of the 'King of Beers'.

sy-subrc
12-01-2005, 07:03 AM
Better let the experts loose on this one. Is there a SkyChimp in the house?

Agreed! At least we can say the P-51 was a successful product of American - British - German cooperation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-01-2005, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by sy-subrc:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Better let the experts loose on this one. Is there a SkyChimp in the house?

Agreed! At least we can say the P-51 was a successful product of American - British - German cooperation http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hawgdog
12-01-2005, 08:59 AM
my thoughts?
set your AS up a notch, too many jaggies on the screenshots

MLudner
12-01-2005, 09:29 AM
Beer? What silliness. This isn't a thread about beer; it's a thread about a fallacious view that America is a Germanic nation. America is a melting pot that includes some Germanic culutral elements, but no where close to exclusively. Irish, English, Black and American Indian influences are actually stronger. Irish and Black in particular, and it can be seen in American music particularly clearly where Irish forms blended with Black forms and West African instruments (The Banjo originated there, then was slightly modified by an extra string) to create a distinctive American musical style and tradition.

Besides, beer sucks. Foamy urine in a glass! eeewwwww! I can't even get that cr@p past my nose!

Beer is the real opiate of the masses!

BSS_Goat
12-01-2005, 09:48 AM
Music? What silliness. This isn't a thread about music; it's a thread about a fallacious view that America is a Germanic nation.

berg417448
12-01-2005, 09:50 AM
More fuel for the fire!:

from WarbirdTech Series volume 5 page 26-28

"...The problem in both cases was laid to a resmblance between the Mustang and Germany's Messerschmidt Me-109, especially when seen in silhouette or illuminated in a way that made markings difficult to register.

From this casual similarity in apperance between the two antagonists, according to a wartime dispatch, rumors started in England and flowed back to the United Sates that the Mustang was designed by a pair of German refugees who formerly were designers for Willy Messerschmitt.

North American Aviation Company officials took steps to deny this legend of imitation in the creation of the Mustang. The dispatch took pains to explain "ex-Germans" on the NAA's design team, saying that North American Aviation said there were never any ex-Messerschmidt designers working on the Mustang design. Some ex-Germans working for North American all hailed from the pre-Messerschmidt era of aviation, the release noted. The dispatch said some engineers who came to the United States with Anthony Fokker after World War. One remained in the Fokker organization as it merged into General Aviation and later into NAA. Ed Schmued, chief of North American designers, was described as an ex-Austrian who served as an officer in the Austrian Air Force in World War One. An American citizen, Schmued, along with project engineer Ken Bowen, who became assistant factory manager of North American's Dallas, Texas plant, were pivotal in the design of the Mustang. Bowen's back ground was listed as a former British citizen who served in the RAF."

MrBlueSky1960
12-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by ARCHIE_CALVERT:
How would Europe have faired if it had been a united continent but for Nazi Germany. And America had a Germanic origin that owed her allegiance to the Nazi mother country

Amazing just how many people can get the wrong end of the stick... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

S: (adj) German, Germanic, Teutonic (of a more or less German nature; somewhat German) "Germanic peoples"; "his Germanic nature"; "formidable volumes Teutonic in their thoroughness"

MLudner
12-01-2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Music? What silliness. This isn't a thread about music; it's a thread about a fallacious view that America is a Germanic nation.


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Sehr gut, mein herr!

ploughman
12-01-2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
I like L¶wenbr¤u. How ignorant am I?

That's OK because your aviatrix has a lovely helmet. Ever notice how most of the female pioneers of aviation were dead foxy looking? Anne Widdecombe they are not. Not that I judge the fairer sex solely on their looks or anything, but it doesn't hurt to look good. I should know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chadburn:
And Americans would have access to some decent beer...

Though America did go many years with inferior beer (seriously it was ****! mostly caused by bad laws pushed on the american public by big brewing Co. lobbyists, but that's another OT)), the American micro brewing industry now produces the finest beers available anywhere. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Flying Dog is the best there is.

Europeian beer is flat and dry. like trying to drink a f-ing liquafied gym sock. disgusting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Try a Theakston's Old Peculiar </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I know her! Short and crusty right?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Seriously though, until I had tried beer from the private brewerie's in Germany, I was also in the dark.

I blindly compared N.American beers with European beers, just as many do. Nothing compares to the beer you'll get from a private brewery that's been in the family for hundreds of years.

The best commercial beer I've tried was from Czech(no, not BudSqueezer). Second would be "Duckstein" from the "platt" area of Germany. I've also been seen having wreckless affairs with Guiness. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, when I talk about private breweries, this excludes those who sell in stores. You can only get it at certain bars, restaurants, and cafes or directly from the brewer.

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Dude, I thought you were from the Bamburg area, that's god's own brewing country down there. There's like a gazzillion private breweries that only service bars in that area. I'm not a lager man, preferring the ales and bitters myself, but if I was to drink lagers or pilsner it'd be from that part of the world.

Guiness is for people who like to drink liquid ice-cream, there is no surer way to get fat than sitting on a bars-tool sucking on Guiness apart from reverse-lyposuction.

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You is right, be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

But there's not much point in mentioning those breweries since so few in here would know of them or have tried such good beer. Anyone who has tried them forever sees the beer world with clarity.

BTW, a common quote on beer mugs in my area is "Gott Sei Dank, ich bin ein Frank"(Thank God I'm Frankish). Frankish beer inspired poetry at it's finest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Interesting note: Just a few days ago, I met with a German who currently lives in N.Korea. He wants me to find a piece of land for him, north of Beijing, to open a distillery so he can start producing schnapps. He works for an EU agricultural company and is doing consulting work for the DPRK. Doesn't quite match the media reports does it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by MLudner:
Beer? What silliness. This isn't a thread about beer

MLudner, all threads are about beer and banjos. There are different interpretations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You would be fun to party with since you don't like beer(more for me). You can play some old Roman tunes on your banjo and I'll take good care of the beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But before you start playing "Caesar took my wife, my house, my dog and won't gimme my paycheck", let me get a 8 hour head start on the beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz

CaptJodan
12-01-2005, 07:40 PM
I've always found it interesting to wonder how it would have turned out if the Russians had thrown in with the Germans (yes, Hitler hated Russia and all that, but geez, he and Stalin were almost a match made in....hell).

I suspect the western Allies would not have done so well, even with the US, Britian, Aussies and others. The best tanks of the war were either from Russia or Germany, and the worst tank just has to be the Sherman. Russia's ability to produce planes en mass would also be rather bad for the allies.

I should think that the BoB would, at the very least, have been one by the Germany/Russian alliance in that regard (certainly even if they lost initally, they could get help from their allies in 41)

MLudner
12-01-2005, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLudner:
Beer? What silliness. This isn't a thread about beer

MLudner, all threads are about beer and banjos. There are different interpretations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Well, now I'm really confused - and I thought I was confused BE-FORE! Ffffffppppppppp! I think I'll be suffering through an existential quandary for about a week after that piece of philosophizing.
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You would be fun to party with since you don't like beer(more for me). You can play some old Roman tunes on your banjo and I'll take good care of the beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You drink the opiate, I'll drink the tea and everyone's happy (I shoot less when I'm full of tea...) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

But before you start playing "Caesar took my wife, my house, my dog and won't gimme my paycheck", let me get a 8 hour head start on the beer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everybody: plug your ears - (Deep breath) and in acapella...

Pirschjaeger
12-01-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by CaptJodan:
I've always found it interesting to wonder how it would have turned out if the Russians had thrown in with the Germans (yes, Hitler hated Russia and all that, but geez, he and Stalin were almost a match made in....hell).

I suspect the western Allies would not have done so well, even with the US, Britian, Aussies and others. The best tanks of the war were either from Russia or Germany, and the worst tank just has to be the Sherman. Russia's ability to produce planes en mass would also be rather bad for the allies.

I should think that the BoB would, at the very least, have been one by the Germany/Russian alliance in that regard (certainly even if they lost initally, they could get help from their allies in 41)

They could never have been allies. The Russians were still angry for getting their butts handed to them in WW1.

But, had things been different, a German/Russian army would have taken anything they set their eyes upon. Then, right after WW2 and world domination, WW3 would have been between Germany and Russia.

Fritz

MrBlueSky1960
12-02-2005, 04:24 AM
This thread went AWOL from the beginning and never really got back on the beam€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It was based on the supposition that America was founded not by the English, but by the Germans and as such never had the break from the €œMotherland€ (England) as happened in this reality but went on to become the New Germanic States of America (NGSA)
All the while keeping her strong ties with the €œOld€ Mother country in Europe, both economic and political€¦

The rest is...

vanjast
12-02-2005, 04:55 AM
Schmued had been a part of Willy Messerschmitt's design group in Germany; no doubt the somewhat angular lines of the new fighter came from this relationship.

No no Nein http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Schmued was RUMOURED to have worked on the BF109 (which he has always denied). This rumour seemed to have come about after the P-51 appeared, and looked similar to the Me109. There's lot's of info available on these facts.
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Pirschjaeger
12-02-2005, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
This thread went AWOL from the beginning and never really got back on the beam€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Was this ever "on beam"?

"How would Europe have faired if it had been a united continent but for Nazi Germany. And America had a Germanic origin that owed her allegiance to the Nazi mother country?"

"Germanic origin that owed her allegiance to the Nazi mother country?"

Sounds pretty "off beam" to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I doubt the original poster meant any mal-intent, but you gotta love the wording. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

MrBlueSky1960
12-02-2005, 08:19 AM
"Germanic origin that owed her allegiance to the Nazi mother country?"

Sounds pretty "off beam" to me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I doubt the original poster meant any mal-intent, but you gotta love the wording. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Oh Fritz, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I thought you knew... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

p-11.cAce
12-02-2005, 12:18 PM
Guiness is for people who like to drink liquid ice-cream, there is no surer way to get fat than sitting on a bars-tool sucking on Guiness apart from reverse-lyposuction.

http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php

Hate to burst your bubble but Budweiser calories per 12 ounces - 143(almost the same as a Coke) ******ss calories per 12 ounces - 120. Of course Budweiser is a 5% and ******ss is only a 4% - the more alcohol the more calories http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif which is why a shot of vodka has 100 calories in that tiny little glass.