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Assassin_19
11-10-2009, 09:23 AM
Hello,
I am not so familiar to the Medici family or Lorenzo Medici. If somebody know much or just a little bit of Medici please write. What ive heard his a kind of mafia boss but im not sure so please write if you know something
Assassin_19

z0nnebril
11-10-2009, 09:51 AM
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KZarr
11-10-2009, 11:11 AM
I'm expecting this thread to be stormed by crazy Renaissance experts

JudgeQwerty
11-10-2009, 03:03 PM
Lorenzo de Medici was one of the most powerful Sicilian mobbosses in history. During the Renissance, he ran gambling and racketeering operation throughout Florence, Venice, and Rome. It is rumoured that the reason Leonardo da Vinci only painted his self-potrait so late in life is because as a young man, Lorenzo personally beat his face in with a gondola oar. Later, he famously hired a mob hit on the Pope for publicly saying Lorenzio was 'A few slices short of a pizza.' Of course, he died before then, when the Medici mob turned rat and testified against him. Lorenzo spent his remaining years in prison, where he later died of Syphilis. According to legend, his likeness inspired the look of Mario's cowardly and unreliable brother Luigi.

Gypsy816
11-10-2009, 03:38 PM
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I found: http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jan/lorenzo.html

Aristeides
11-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Lorenzo de Medici was one of the most powerful Sicilian mobbosses in history. During the Renissance, he ran gambling and racketeering operation throughout Florence, Venice, and Rome. It is rumoured that the reason Leonardo da Vinci only painted his self-potrait so late in life is because as a young man, Lorenzo personally beat his face in with a gondola oar. Later, he famously hired a mob hit on the Pope for publicly saying Lorenzio was 'A few slices short of a pizza.' Of course, he died before then, when the Medici mob turned rat and testified against him. Lorenzo spent his remaining years in prison, where he later died of Syphilis. According to legend, his likeness inspired the look of Mario's cowardly and unreliable brother Luigi.

I am not an expert on italian renaissance history, but the above post contains little to none at all historical truth... unless there was another Lorenzo d' Medici which I am not aware off (admittedly not an impossibility).

The Lorenzo de Medici that we encounter in ACII is of the house of Medici who were the rulers of The Republic of Florence for the most part of early 1400s to the early 1500s. I believe he was known as Lorenzo the Magnificent (or the Great or something to that effect, sorry but I am a bit unsure of some details). He was, like all of the medici family, patron of the arts and sciences and the times of the rule of Lorenzo the Florentine Republic is also known as the golden age of the republic of florence.

Now, in the AC lineage video, where it tells the story of Ezio's father it there might be some clues about the plot and background story of the ACII. Maria Sforza, the then Duke of Milan, was indeed assasinated, thereby Lorenzo lost one very important ally. The capped character that we see in the video, Borgia, is the one who went on to become Pope Alexander VI (might be wrong about the name, but the fact of the matter if that he became the pope). His name became synonymous to corruption and constanty debased standrds of the Papacy... Machiavely based his (in)famous book The Prince on Borgia, as an example of what one should be like to be a succesful politician in the italian powerpolitics.

Based on what the video shows and with some guesswork on my part, I would guess that Ezio's father gets killed during the so called Pazzi conspiracy (it takes place only a few years after the events of AC Lineage 1) to assasinate Lorenzo di Medici. Lorenzo by the way just manages to escape alive. The aftermath was that the very, very very very fragile balance between the italian states was on the brink of collapsing. The assasination was suported by the then Pope... you see Florence and the Medici dynasty was a thorn in the Papal State's backside...

Now, Borgia did not became Pope until 1490...ish, but was of course a major player in the powerpolitics struglle, so I cant really say how he may be involved. However, the gold coins that Ezio's father examines in the end of the video show clearly the coat of arms of the Venetian Republic, and possibly in the game setting the Venetians might have wanted to weaken the Medici for their own reasons, although I am pretty sure that during that time Venice was not in such good terms with the Pope... but anyway it is a game and they are allowed a few liberties for their story.

I hope this was somewhat informative. The renaissance politics one heck of a subject that can put easily to same any made-up plot, no matter how complex. It makes for a fascinating read if you can manage to find some good sources on it.

Captain Tomatoz
11-10-2009, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Aristeides:
Ezio's father gets killed during the so called Pazzi conspiracy


Ezio's father dies before the pazzi conspiracy as Ezio is involved in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aristeides
11-10-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Tony6593:

Ezio's father dies before the pazzi conspiracy as Ezio is involved in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, interesting.. and thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Would be asking too much if i asked where one can read this information up? I was under the impression that it would have been the part 2 of the lineage video.

EDIT: Nevermind, I managed to find the interview with the relevant info. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MrNussbaum
11-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Aristeides:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tony6593:

Ezio's father dies before the pazzi conspiracy as Ezio is involved in it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And Welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, interesting.. and thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Would be asking too much if i asked where one can read this information up? I was under the impression that it would have been the part 2 of the lineage video.

EDIT: Nevermind, I managed to find the interview with the relevant info. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One of the trailers actually shows Ezio's father <span class="ev_code_WHITE">dying</span> as well.

Cornik22
11-10-2009, 05:41 PM
Also, Lorenzo used to make pizzas resembling the Medici coat of arms with pepperoni. Hopefully this helps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/746/lorenzon.jpg

the amolang
11-10-2009, 06:53 PM
you can also search them up on wikipedia (the most reliable source in the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

UchihaKarasu
11-10-2009, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by JudgeQwerty:
Lorenzo de Medici was one of the most powerful Sicilian mobbosses in history. During the Renissance, he ran gambling and racketeering operation throughout Florence, Venice, and Rome. It is rumoured that the reason Leonardo da Vinci only painted his self-potrait so late in life is because as a young man, Lorenzo personally beat his face in with a gondola oar. Later, he famously hired a mob hit on the Pope for publicly saying Lorenzio was 'A few slices short of a pizza.' Of course, he died before then, when the Medici mob turned rat and testified against him. Lorenzo spent his remaining years in prison, where he later died of Syphilis. According to legend, his likeness inspired the look of Mario's cowardly and unreliable brother Luigi.

Wow, this is just...so wrong...so wrong. And Leonardo never painted Lorenzo de' Medici.

Which Medici do you want to know about?
I can try my best to give you a quick but informational summery. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Phobos14
11-10-2009, 07:55 PM
Yeah i was really painful to read that paragraph. I would suggest going to the library and picking up a book.

Might i suggest

History of Florence and the Affairs of Italy by Niccolo Machiavelli (A suggested read by the scriptwriter Corey May)

or

Magnifico: The brilliant life and violent times of Lorenzo De' Medici by Miles Unger

UchihaKarasu
11-10-2009, 07:58 PM
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Phobos14
11-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I just finished watching that! Woot for NetFlix!

kakashi560
11-10-2009, 08:18 PM
his post was obviously a joke http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

UchihaKarasu
11-10-2009, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Phobos14:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I just finished watching that! Woot for NetFlix! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All four hours?!
I love that documentary SOOO much!!!! It gives you such great info http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Phobos14
11-10-2009, 08:27 PM
Yeah when i ordered it i had no idea that it was 4 parts. But i learned quite a bit from it and it was definitely a good find. Ill probably brush up on the first two parts that focus on the early days of the family and Lorenzo before i send it back this week.

Jazerri
11-10-2009, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by JudgeQwerty:
Lorenzo de Medici was one of the most powerful Sicilian mobbosses in history. During the Renissance, he ran gambling and racketeering operation throughout Florence, Venice, and Rome. It is rumoured that the reason Leonardo da Vinci only painted his self-potrait so late in life is because as a young man, Lorenzo personally beat his face in with a gondola oar. Later, he famously hired a mob hit on the Pope for publicly saying Lorenzio was 'A few slices short of a pizza.' Of course, he died before then, when the Medici mob turned rat and testified against him. Lorenzo spent his remaining years in prison, where he later died of Syphilis. According to legend, his likeness inspired the look of Mario's cowardly and unreliable brother Luigi.

Yeah, this is completely wrong. Lorenzo's escape from prison before his death is pretty well documented. Numerous historical sources agree that he finally died of alcohol poisoning on a beach in Cancun.

the amolang
11-10-2009, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

sounds interesting... I want to watch that. I'm going to look that up. does it happen to mention Ezio? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

UchihaKarasu
11-10-2009, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by amolang:
sounds interesting... I want to watch that. I'm going to look that up. does it happen to mention Ezio? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No Ezio, sadly XD
But you can find the program on Youtube http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zulkin
11-10-2009, 11:02 PM
ut you can find the program on Youtube

I'm watching it all now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif This is fascinating.

Assassin_19
11-11-2009, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by Assassin_19:
Hello,
I am not so familiar to the Medici family or Lorenzo Medici. If somebody know much or just a little bit of Medici please write. What ive heard his a kind of mafia boss but im not sure so please write if you know something
Assassin_19


Thank you all for writing all these fact im realy enjoying this thanks agian

AnotherJonSmith
11-11-2009, 12:47 PM
Am I the only one who found JudgeQwerty's reponse funny?

Samuel032593
11-11-2009, 02:08 PM
I was abo8\ut to post something about that lol. He's just kidding, am I the only one who go the Mario Luigi pun lol? Anywy, just thought I would say this.

botolo90
11-11-2009, 02:16 PM
Lorenzo de Medici is not Siccilian but he was of Florence republic and he is no mafia boss. go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_de%27_Medici

botolo90
11-11-2009, 02:23 PM
A lot of time away Italy is divided by a lot of republics and principalities, Florence was a republic and Lorenzo was the lead of this republic and he was a Magnificent

OHS_90
11-11-2009, 02:43 PM
Dont want to be pedantic or anything, but Lorenzo was rarely, if ever, the official leader of Florence. He ruled Florence indirectly, through a system of bribes, threats, blackmail, marriages etc... He did all of this whilst maintaining the look of a democracy, when Florence was in fact pretty much a principality.

KZarr
11-12-2009, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Does anyone know if there's a similar documentary about the Doges?

JudgeQwerty
11-13-2009, 12:19 PM
Whoa! I make a silly joke, come back two days later, and find I'm being harshly criticized for my historical inaccuracy! What the heck?

Phobos14
11-13-2009, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by KZarr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UchihaKarasu:
And watch PBS's The Medici: Godfather's of the Renaissance absolutely AMAZING documentary. Very very fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Does anyone know if there's a similar documentary about the Doges? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Doges is not actually a family but a political term. The Doge was the Chief Magistrate of the Venetian republic. You can search for individual leaders and then researching them individually which is what i have done in order to find some more information about them.

JudgeQwerty
11-13-2009, 12:32 PM
Enrico Dandolo was probably the most interesting doge of Venice. Personally lead the Fourth Crusade in sacking most of Greece amd Constaniple for no other reason than he could. Richard The Lionheart, he was definitely not.

I'm sure there are quite a few documentaries on him.