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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:12 PM
Quick poll

Post what you fly the most
IE:109, 190, LA's, Yak's etc...


Would you rather be flying FB with the...
1.1B Patch or the 1.11 Patch...

This is not a whine/*itch or complain post just curiouse?

A)1.1B

B)1.11

This is about FMs & DMs only not Bugs that were fixed between the two.... Please no arguing in this poll...


Personaly I preferd 1.1B

I fly mainly

109
190
P47
P39
Il2
JU87

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:12 PM
Quick poll

Post what you fly the most
IE:109, 190, LA's, Yak's etc...


Would you rather be flying FB with the...
1.1B Patch or the 1.11 Patch...

This is not a whine/*itch or complain post just curiouse?

A)1.1B

B)1.11

This is about FMs & DMs only not Bugs that were fixed between the two.... Please no arguing in this poll...


Personaly I preferd 1.1B

I fly mainly

109
190
P47
P39
Il2
JU87

<center> http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_109_1063229517.jpg </center>

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:32 PM
I prefer whatever Oleg comes out with. In all the FB versions all planes can hold on their own, provided you spend some time investigating their pros and cons.

I had no probs flying in the VOW online wars for the luftwaffe using 1.0 (from what I read, it was the worst of them all for lw), and whenever I fly online, I have fun regardless of which planes I get to fly (I like to play with the outnumbered guys, be them red or blue).

Finally, I think it would be about time that we settled this fm/dm craze, if anything because each time Oleg changes something, someone is pi$$ed. In a couple of iterations everybody will be pi$$ed off. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The fm changes that were made in the betas, were just that: temporary changes. No one ever said they were final. Some of the things that were said here were used to improve the fm back then (e.g. the p47 roll rate), then the team proceeded in making more changes, that probably were just waiting to be applied as is normal with software development.

Oleg & co. changed a lot the fm underlying equations, therefore it's normal that the fb fm was different from il2 fm; with beta patches they slowly brought the sim to work as intended with the new equations, until 1.11 with which they were comfortable. That's it. Oleg said it months ago: we want to put out a patch that fixes most things, and he meant no twelve patches fixing the fm, else no one will know what version to believe.

Moreover, since everybody is asking that their favs were improved, we are risking that Oleg one day will just say "the hell with them. Let's make all uberplanes so that they shut up."

There are other areas of the sim that would need the team attention, that would _improve_ the experience for all, not just for some. E.g. the AI, the wingman commands, the sounds that you can hear and shouldn't, the radio chat that you can't understand to whom it's targeted and so on.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:38 PM
Thats not what I asked Vote or Please dont post I want too tally this & these posts wont make it easier I dont need a letcure I need a Vote on the poll ?

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:06 PM
Good points, Max - since FMs is a very subjective thing it makes little sense getting pi(beep!)ed over it. Making a simulation of an a/c is a process & we should be happy that Oleg&Co still cares about his product after the release. He could have left it there. Everybody is free to use any version they prefer - I know most people use the newest version but it is possible to find servers running earlier versions. However this does not mean that I´m against a discussion of FMs - it would just be nice if people supported their opinions with some data or a track. A poll doesn´t bring us closer to the truth - being many isn´t the same as being right.

But you asked for a vote: 1.11

(Overall improved game/sound/gfx/DM/FM)

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:34 PM
cozmo_d wrote:
- Thats not what I asked Vote or Please dont post I
- want too tally this & these posts wont make it
- easier I dont need a letcure I need a Vote on the
- poll ?

cozmo, if you read my message, I said I am happy with whatever comes out with. And that is 1.11. Everything before that was just work in progress.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:48 PM
maxmars wrote:
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- cozmo_d wrote:
-- Thats not what I asked Vote or Please dont post I
-- want too tally this & these posts wont make it
-- easier I dont need a letcure I need a Vote on the
-- poll ?
-
- cozmo, if you read my message, I said I am happy
- with whatever comes out with. And that is 1.11.
- Everything before that was just work in progress.


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:52 PM
Ok here we go:

I fly: Bf109s early models E, F2,F4, G2

FM in 1.11 is ok.

what i dislike is DM in 1.11
F2 vs I16 I153 or Lagg3 is just weird. You can outperform them and BnZ and whatever BUT you can hardly kill them except by pilot kill.

example:

VEF mission yesterday: My gunnery stats said around 500 shots fired 140 bullets hit!!!! I shot at 1 I16 and at 1 I153. so we have 2 planes shot at. makes around 70 hits on each of them and none went down :/

2 things we need in FB:
The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:49 PM
109er

1.1B

The combination of the fast damadge while overrev the engine (historical correct!!!) and the fact, that if you enable the manual prop-pitch is allways set to the last manual setted value makes is unuseable /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
If you climbed manuel with 95% pitch at 260km/h you can&#180;t enable it at speeds higher than this...

Not talking about the fact that the automatic setting is loosing 100rpm in tight turns without any any historical backround...

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 05:14 PM
Abbuzze wrote:
- 109er
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- 1.1B
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- The combination of the fast damadge while overrev
- the engine (historical correct!!!) and the fact,
- that if you enable the manual prop-pitch is allways
- set to the last manual setted value makes is
- unuseable

I have set the pitch control to a joystick axis and it does not sport that problem. You may want to try it out.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 09:27 PM
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Message Edited on 09/20/0304:33PM by cozmo_d

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:40 PM
A) and B) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

That is pretty tough call..on the other side I prefer 1.1B, Because: I-16 has normal DM, also I-153. These planes can be shot down with 5-10 MG151/15 hits in FB 1.1B. Now these planes are most common in VEF, so that is why it is important. Also Brewster was good and top speed was correct (430 on sealevel)

on the other hand 1.11 fixxed lot of bugs, like the sounds, but then again it introduced ridiculous DM of I-16 and I-153 back from FB 1.0. Guess I would rather take 1.11 because of better sounds.. I just want 1.2 and Fixxed La-7 climb and Lagg3 FM and DM fixxed. Brewster top speed porked on FB 1.11, it goes only 400kmh on sealevel making I-16 faster..



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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:09 PM
1.1b !!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:03 PM
109

1.1b