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Charlie901
03-09-2005, 12:23 PM
I tried it last night to no avail. Even with the larger caliber A/C cannons w/AP & HE rounds.

I've seen lots of Pacific WWII footage showing ships getting strafed.

I think part of the problem is that the damage model, for ships, doesn't show any superficial damage at all, to let you know that the ship is being damaged.

If it is possible what does it take?

jarink
03-09-2005, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
I tried it last night to no avail. Even with the larger caliber A/C cannons w/AP & HE rounds.

I've seen lots of Pacific WWII footage showing ships getting strafed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But did any of them sink? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

You most certainly can sink some of the smaller ships like landing craft and fishing boats with gunfire. Sinking anything larger (destroyer size and above) would be nearly impossible with any of the guns on any of the aircraft in the game, even the Zerstoerers. 37mm, 40mm and 57mm guns are puny when you're talking naval warfare. Most destroyers had at a minimum several 3" (76mm) guns.

It would be nice if you could silence the AAA on the ships with gunfire, though! (and realistic, too!)

Da_Godfatha
03-09-2005, 01:43 PM
I think he means when the depth charges or torpedoes explode. I have read many accounts of destroyers and smaller ships get torn apart when the rounds hit then. Yes and with the .50 cal too!!!

Some of the smaller ships in the game should at least get damaged from a good strafing run.

fherathras
03-09-2005, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

Some of the smaller ships in the game should at least get damaged from a good strafing run. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



they do.



You nedz test more

Charlie901
03-09-2005, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
I think he means when the depth charges or torpedoes explode. I have read many accounts of destroyers and smaller ships get torn apart when the rounds hit then. Yes and with the .50 cal too!!!

Some of the smaller ships in the game should at least get damaged from a good strafing run. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Good point!

There should be critical areas of ships that explode like external torpedos or depth charges that provide secondary explosions when hit by gunfire.

Actually I was trying it out on the "Pacific" quick battle map. I was continously strafing the medium sized first ship that you would fly over from the allies side. It looks like a supply ship and is smaller than a cargo ship. Is it possible to sink either of these by using guns alone and if so what caliber???

B.T.W. I would never expect to be able to sink a military vessel like a destroyer by strafing alone (cause I know they are better armored than a supply or cargo ship).

Steaky_361st
03-09-2005, 02:54 PM
Remember the glory days of CFS 2 where you could destroy subs, destroyers and even light cruisers by strafing? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As for PF, I think the small japanese fishing boats may be damaged by strafing, and Im sure others do too. I havent really tested it.

HorribleSailor
03-09-2005, 04:12 PM
Hm, better armoured? Not really, destroyers and similar sized escorts were usually unarmoured. Hell, even small, pre-war light cruisers had very little armour.

The bigger issue is that the ship is just far too big for it to sink when you put some small holes in it.

I would have thought, though, that a 57mm gun would fire explosive rounds big enough to make a decent impression on a destroyer sized escort. Current Candadian frigates mount a 57mm gun, and while it's obviously a lot more modern and rapid fire, I'm sure it could inflict pretty nasty damage on other warships.

Latico
03-09-2005, 04:26 PM
It seems to me that you CAN supress AA fire by strafing, at least temporarily. You can also knock out unprotected AA guns.

Strafing doesn't prevent a turret gun from firing on you though.

Philipscdrw
03-09-2005, 04:26 PM
The whole concept of warship armour has changed since WW2 - I'm halfway through reading a book about naval development over the last century (i.e. 1860-1960, because it's an old book...)

I have no idea of the damage a .50 can cause, or the damage a destroyer can take. So, I will not give an opinion here!

Waldo.Pepper
03-09-2005, 06:25 PM
I serious;y can't wait! This will be great, AGAIN!

[Nine pages! I am hopeful].

Tooz_69GIAP
03-09-2005, 10:44 PM
Read the read me, it says that the new PF ships are able to have their small AAA guns destroyed independantly.

And you can destroy fishing boats and landing craft with MGs I believe.

heywooood
03-09-2005, 11:47 PM
.50 cals should be able to sink LuftPanzer carriers at will

Lewicide
03-09-2005, 11:48 PM
You can destroy the fishing boat with 20mm fire and most guns larger, the beafughter is good, aim for the fish, not with 50 cal or other Mgs.

Landing craft can be destroyed with any anything.

If memory serves me, I think I've destroyed the tanker with the Ju-87 37mm ap's.

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ruf9ii
03-10-2005, 08:23 AM
it is possible to sink ships by straffing but in practice it isnt. try going in a me262 1a (the one with four mk108's or the one with one big nose mount cannon thing. im not sure of the calibre of that...big is close enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

set unlimited ammo and go at a liquid or cargo carrier. shouldnt take up all your ammo, but it will take most to sink. i think battleships and CV's are indestructible against smaller arms, not sure about destroyer.
it is also possible to sink the jap fishing boat with .50cals, but it takes a lot of ammo and youll more than likely hit it due to target fixation...

Zeus-cat
03-10-2005, 07:36 PM
The Japanese fishing boat can be damaged by strafing (you can shoot the masts off with .50 cal MGs). This is hard to see from the air, so use a camera to catch the action. The fishing boats can definitely be sunk by 20mms and maybe by .50 cals. I doubt anything larger can be sunk with MGs or "small" cannons.

Zeus-cat

SabreF-86
03-11-2005, 03:27 AM
I seem to recollect reading about the first B-25 gunships, that they were used to great effect on strafing tincans. The normal DD was constructed of standard 1/2 steel plating, welded to the frames, and a .50 cal will punch thru that with no problems. Supposedly it was possible to almost literally chainsaw a tincan in half with one pass if the pilot was good. Especially if the pass was made in line with a boiler room. Certainly it wouldn't do too much damage to the main battery armor, but anything else would be pretty chewed up. There are photos in several books of a Japanese frigate being chewed in half by a B-25. She broke in half after the attack and sank, probably a combination of the weakened sides and deck plating, plus a couple of internal explosions from boilers going bang.

I notice that in game, the AAA fire from most ships is deadly, and I haven't had much luck suppressing it. I usually die unless I jink round all the time. That makes it difficult to put rounds on target for any great length of time. Even a piddly little russian gunboat shoots me down 10 out of 12 times.

Sabre

92SqnGCJimbo
03-11-2005, 05:47 PM
THE problem with most wwII warships is that they had a citadel.... pretty much a big armour plated box sitting in the hull.. this had all the guns ammo engines fuel etc... now this was the armoured core of the ship and only big guns will damage it (even on the heavy destroyers.. fletchers etc) on the older ones u can still do alot of damage but its really only the hull your punctureing.. not the citadel...

crazyivan1970
03-11-2005, 05:51 PM
Yes you can destroy smaller ships. I`v seen it down by 50 cals from A20 and P-38 in our coops http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lusitaniii
03-11-2005, 06:23 PM
As far as i know one should be able to shoot a warship chimney(stack?)thus making it loose speed...and on freighters and stuff shooting at the bridge should make them loose speed and change course...otherwise smaller shipping was very prone to be sunk by straffing

Engrs
03-11-2005, 07:09 PM
Yep it is possible to sink a IJ fishing boat with 20mm but try telling that to the AI.

I made an anti ship mission flying the Ju87D5 on the Crimea map. 8x IJ fishing boats and 1x Soviet trawler were the target.

Once they have dropped their bombs they refused to straffe the IJ fishing boats even if the armed trawler is destroyed.

Beaufort-RAF
03-11-2005, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Engrs:
Yep it is possible to sink a IJ fishing boat with 20mm but try telling that to the AI.

I made an anti ship mission flying the Ju87D5 on the Crimea map. 8x IJ fishing boats and 1x Soviet trawler were the target.

Once they have dropped their bombs they refused to straffe the IJ fishing boats even if the armed trawler is destroyed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I designed a mission for Hurricanes were they attack some small ships they can easily destroy with their cannon but although they say they are attacking they don't.

I subbed the Hurris for some other fighters with the same results.

It's a bug or an oversight in the programming and it's really frustrating.

HotelBushranger
03-11-2005, 09:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's a bug or an oversight in the programming and it's really frustrating. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bl00dy oath!

Also, I remember reading recently on a website about Beaufighter anti-shipping squadrons. Armed with 80 lb rockets, it said 'A pair of 80lb rockets were the same as a broadside from a battleship' or something like that.

A nice Beau anti-shipping campaing would be good I reckon. It said they use their 20mm cannons to range the rockets, as in fire cannons till they hit the tincan, then they'd fire rockets.

wayno7777
03-11-2005, 10:32 PM
I try.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/fa61f251.jpg

HotelBushranger
03-11-2005, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Somebody get that man a decent video card!

Beaufort-RAF
03-12-2005, 12:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also, I remember reading recently on a website about Beaufighter anti-shipping squadrons. Armed with 80 lb rockets, it said 'A pair of 80lb rockets were the same as a broadside from a battleship' or something like that.

A nice Beau anti-shipping campaing would be good I reckon. It said they use their 20mm cannons to range the rockets, as in fire cannons till they hit the tincan, then they'd fire rockets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well during Beaufighter anti-shipping strikes while rocket and torpedo armed Beaus attacked the merchant ships cannon only aircraft were used for flak suppression, but due to the AI bug we can't recreate that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif