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Zeus-cat
11-26-2009, 10:45 PM
I only have one question. What is this a photo of?

I will tell you that the ring in the front of the photo is where the ball turret will be located.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2711.jpg

ImMoreBetter
11-27-2009, 12:27 AM
A plywood hatch under the floor near the ball turret!

I spent a good hour trying to find this one. No avail.

Waldo.Pepper
11-27-2009, 12:34 AM
I expect it was intended to be the location that the ball turret gunner was to stow his parachute.

T_O_A_D
11-27-2009, 03:15 AM
First thought, improvised Beer cooler, but thought better.

Its partitioned, Ammo Belt storage?

If not I'm back to Beer again.

FlatSpinMan
11-27-2009, 07:00 AM
Toilet.

VF-17_Jolly
11-27-2009, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by FlatSpinMan:
Toilet.
Two reasons not to be a ball turret gunner http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Choctaw111
11-27-2009, 07:15 AM
I do believe that was for extra ammo storage for the waist gunners.
Perhaps it depends on the model of B17.
The later version had the ammo chutes going into large ammo boxes mounted on the fuselage wall.
The earlier versions may not have had this and rather used the standard 100 round boxes.

jarink
11-27-2009, 07:50 AM
Access to hydraulics for the ball?

Zeus-cat
11-27-2009, 08:25 AM
A plywood hatch under the floor near the ball turret! <span class="ev_code_RED">I'm looking for a little bit more info here.</span>

I expect it was intended to be the location that the ball turret gunner was to stow his parachute. <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar</span>


Its partitioned, Ammo Belt storage? If not I'm back to Beer again. <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar for either answer</span>

Toilet. <span class="ev_code_RED">Nope</span>

I do believe that was for extra ammo storage for the waist gunners. <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar</span>

Access to hydraulics for the ball? <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar</span>

It looks like you guys need more help. This is a photo of the underside of the fuselage directly beneath the access panel in the first photo. When the inside access panel is opened this panel can be opened from the inside too.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/Zeus-cat/IMG_2712.jpg

ROXunreal
11-27-2009, 09:56 AM
Bail out hatch?

Jungmann
11-27-2009, 10:29 AM
camera hatch.

DrHerb
11-27-2009, 10:35 AM
A hatch where to dump spent .50 cal shells?

Treetop64
11-27-2009, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by Jungmann:
camera hatch.

I was gonna say that...

Zeus-cat
11-27-2009, 10:44 AM
Bail out hatch? <span class="ev_code_RED">No, I think it is too small for that. You really only need to get arm through the hatch.</span>

camera hatch. <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar</span>

A hatch where to dump spent .50 cal shells? <span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no cigar</span>

I have to say that jarink has been the closest so far. It does have something to do with "maintaining" the ball turret. And I am using the word maintaining very loosely here.

I'll give yo another clue, the hatch is intended to be used in flight. When the aircraft is on the ground you would just walk up to the ball turret to do this.

Treetop64
11-27-2009, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jungmann:
camera hatch.

I was gonna say that... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, just kidding... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

DrHerb
11-27-2009, 10:58 AM
A hatch where to access the turret operating mechanisim in case it jams?

jarink
11-27-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I have to say that jarink has been the closest so far. It does have something to do with "maintaining" the ball turret. And I am using the word maintaining very loosely here.

ARGH! My B-17 maintenance manual pdf's won't open!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

(Can't find anything in the Pilot's Manual; I might have to look again.)

F16_Neo
11-27-2009, 11:12 AM
Agree about maintenace... I think it's might be related to maintaining the guns under flight.
Close?
Edit: Switching barrels?

Deedsundone
11-27-2009, 11:19 AM
A "ballturretcleaningwindow" hatch,or BTCW hatch for short.......or not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ImMoreBetter
11-27-2009, 11:26 AM
Used to wipe off engine exhaust/residue from the turret windows?

AndyJWest
11-27-2009, 11:33 AM
For dumping MG casings?

jarink
11-27-2009, 11:41 AM
I'm thinking this was something specific to the G model. I finally was able to get my B-17F Erection and Maintenance manual to open, but there's no hatch shown behind the ball. (The small double hatch in front of the ball is the strike camera hatch. The round one in front of that is for the camera viewfinder.)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/jarink/Fnohatch.jpg

Daiichidoku
11-27-2009, 11:56 AM
probably access so that while deployed, another crew member could give the turret gunner a container to relieve his "hydralic pressure" (and other unmentionables) and return to said crew member for proper disposal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/Daiichidoku/SperryRetractableBallTurretshowingr.jpg

Zeus-cat
11-27-2009, 12:56 PM
A "ballturretcleaningwindow" hatch,or BTCW hatch for short.......or not

We have a winner!

It was almost a tie with ImMoreBetter just a few minutes behind Deedsundone.

Gibbage1
11-27-2009, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
probably access so that while deployed, another crew member could give the turret gunner a container to relieve his "hydralic pressure" (and other unmentionables) and return to said crew member for proper disposal


B-17 didnt have a retractable ball turret, only the B-24 did.

Daiichidoku
11-27-2009, 02:24 PM
doh!

jarink
11-27-2009, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A "ballturretcleaningwindow" hatch,or BTCW hatch for short.......or not

We have a winner!

It was almost a tie with ImMoreBetter just a few minutes behind Deedsundone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah! I shoulda guessed it!

BTW, the most common cleaning needed in-flight would have been to remove frozen urine. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
(The relief tube was in the bomb-bay ahead of the ball turret and when it was frozen up, crew would often just pee on the bomb bay doors. I can only imagine what crew chiefs thought of that practice.)