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TankerAce
05-26-2006, 11:58 AM
I just love this sim, but the one request I have is for a flyable Hawk 75/P-36. Both the 75-3 and 75-4 versions preferably. I know I don't understand fully everything on how to do cockpits and such, but couldn't the P-40B/C cockpit simply be used? The reason I ask is that early P-40s were essentially P-36s with an Allison engine and enhanced armament.

I know it wouldn't be a perfect match, but I for one would be happy. I have always had a fascination with the early underdog planes, and with a P-36, coupled with a P-39, P-400, and P-40 already in the game, it would be perfect!

Heck, if it could be bundled in one of the upcoming add-ons (not necessarily a free patch) I would be much appreciated.

I know it may be a longshot, but I thought I would ask. Admittedly the P-36 didn't see actual combat after Pearl, but it would still be a fun plane to fly.

Thanks for taking the time to look at my request!

TankerAce
05-26-2006, 11:58 AM
I just love this sim, but the one request I have is for a flyable Hawk 75/P-36. Both the 75-3 and 75-4 versions preferably. I know I don't understand fully everything on how to do cockpits and such, but couldn't the P-40B/C cockpit simply be used? The reason I ask is that early P-40s were essentially P-36s with an Allison engine and enhanced armament.

I know it wouldn't be a perfect match, but I for one would be happy. I have always had a fascination with the early underdog planes, and with a P-36, coupled with a P-39, P-400, and P-40 already in the game, it would be perfect!

Heck, if it could be bundled in one of the upcoming add-ons (not necessarily a free patch) I would be much appreciated.

I know it may be a longshot, but I thought I would ask. Admittedly the P-36 didn't see actual combat after Pearl, but it would still be a fun plane to fly.

Thanks for taking the time to look at my request!

JG53Frankyboy
05-26-2006, 12:09 PM
well, a flyable Hawk could be used in IL2:
-as finnish fighters on the Leningrad map
-as US fighters on the Hawaii map
-as french fighters on the Normandie map
-as RAF fighters on the Burma map

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but unfortunatly the wish to have these planes flyalbe is the "dead horse" story http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

GerritJ9
05-26-2006, 03:22 PM
........ and as Dutch fighters on the Singapore map! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
However, the chances of the Hawks becoming flyable in FB/PF are remote unfortunately, unless a third party continues work when 1C fully switches to BoB and its expansion packs.

mortoma1958
05-26-2006, 07:00 PM
I agree, but not a chance we'll see it. Also would like to see the Moranes too, no chance there either. We can't have them all!! I'd rather have both the aforementioned planes than the PE-2 personally.

Feathered_IV
05-26-2006, 09:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
well, a flyable Hawk could be used in IL2:
-as finnish fighters on the Leningrad map
-as US fighters on the Hawaii map
-as french fighters on the Normandie map
-as RAF fighters on the Burma map

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</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget! You could fly them with the Chinese Nationalist Airforce too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hurri-Khan
05-27-2006, 01:04 AM
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Hawk-75 is perhaps the most missed flyable in the series. Served and saw action in most fronts of the WW2, from 1940 to 1944 atleast.

some hawk stuff there:
http://curtisshawk75.bravepages.com/

&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

PlaneEater
05-27-2006, 03:45 AM
The Hawk 75 / P-36 cockpit and that of the Hawk 81 (P-40B/C), while to some degree visually similar, have many crucial differences. Instrumentation, sidewalls, dimensions, structural details, furnishing, gunsights, and other aspects are unique to each. The P-36 would ultimately need a new cockpit. And since the Hawk 75 was also different from the P-36, it would probably need its own pit as well.

Assuming they are not done by Oleg's crew for stock BoB, I'll ask if he's interested in them once it is released.

Hurri-Khan
05-27-2006, 05:10 AM
The original curtiss designation was Hawk 75. Why would P-36 (USAAC designation) need it's own cockpit ?

For example we already have all countries that used german a/c using same LW cockpit..
Even one pit (even the late one, similiar to P-40) would do for me, of course the more the merrier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heck, Oleg even adopted J8A for finnish continuation war campaign. Most people also have generally used it as an gladiator. Did P-39 have that russian sight in pacific ? Only if they just would do only one pit that they had most references from and one that would be most easily modified from P-40.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

Heliopause
05-27-2006, 07:37 AM
I can handle with the idea of a Hawk 81 cockpit for a Hawk75/P36, as long as its made flyable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

TankerAce
05-27-2006, 04:20 PM
I fully understand that the P-40/Hawk 81 cockpit isn't an exact match, but seeing as how most of us never flew a P-36, and already in game some cockpits are not 100% correct, I fail to see the big to do.

Personally, I woul love to have the Hawk-75/P-36 flyable, so long as the cockpit was a near match. I've never been in a P-36 cockpit, I couldn't tell you the differences from a P-40. But I would be thrilled to have a flyable P-36.

I just don't think the idea should be tossed aside because the cockpit isn't exactly identical, when many of the game's cockpits aren't 100% identical to their historic counterparts anyway.

If it were me, and this is just me, I would make most of the game's planes flyable with cockpits that closely match (i.e. P-36 using the P-40, B-25B using the B-25J, Gladiator using the J8A, etc), and then with new add ons or patches add in historic cockpits. Again speaking from my point of view, which could be from years of flying CFS or FS2004 add on planes, I would prefer being able to fly the planes even if the cocpits are not 100% correct, rather than not being able to fly them at all.

a long shot I know, but one could always hope.

horseback
05-27-2006, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
but unfortunatly the wish to have these planes flyalbe is the "dead horse" story http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Gosh, I hate unhappy endings...

cheers

horseback

PlaneEater
05-28-2006, 01:56 PM
The P-36 and Hawk 75 were not the same aircraft, actually.

The differences between the P-36, Hawk 75, and Hawk 81 / P-40B cockpits are similar to the differences between the 109E4, 109G6, and 109K4.

Hurri-Khan
05-28-2006, 04:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PlaneEater:
The P-36 and Hawk 75 were not the same aircraft, actually.
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Well yes, technically they weren't. P-36 built for USAAC -Hawk 75 for export, on assembly line.

[QUOTE]
The differences between the P-36, Hawk 75, and Hawk 81 / P-40B cockpits are similar to the differences between the 109E4, 109G6, and 109K4.
[QUOTE]

Sure, If you look at the extreme cases like finnish or french H.75 compared to P-36.

But for example some later finnish G-6's were originally built in germany to be G-14's. But because there was lack of newer engines they were fitted with the old DB-version, and 20mm cannon.. So in that case difference between G-6 and G-14 ain't that big anymore.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But personally I'd drop the whole P-36 away and focus on french H.75 pit. P-36 was only used on pearl harbor (1 fight?), while H.75 would have maximum usability.

-Battle of France
-Ex-French hawks in finnish service
-Vichy French hawks
-British mohawks (diverted shipments to occupied France and aircraft flown by escaping French pilots)
-Free-France hawks

and minor usage:
-Luftwaffe trainers
-SAAF mohawks (no map of africa, but that online desert map..)

Of course it could be then "fake flown" as P-36 and rest of Hawk 75 variants..

I can't help myself, beating ahttp://i71.imagethrust.com/i/47916/deadhorse.jpg is sometimes just what is needed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

Hurri-Khan
06-08-2006, 02:41 AM
Bump!
I'd say here's a good start for H.75 pit..
http://ambiorix.spymac.com/Images/CurtisHawk75Part2CockpitIn/index.html

http://ambiorix.spymac.com/Images/CurtisHawk75Part2CockpitIn/images/Hawk%2075%20Cockpit%2018.jpg


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt;

269GA-Veltro
06-08-2006, 02:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurri-Khan:
Bump!
I'd say here's a good start for H.75 pit..
http://ambiorix.spymac.com/Images/CurtisHawk75Part2CockpitIn/index.html

http://ambiorix.spymac.com/Images/CurtisHawk75Part2CockpitIn/images/Hawk%2075%20Cockpit%2018.jpg


&gt;&gt;&gt;-H-K---&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bump!

HotelBushranger
06-08-2006, 05:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Nice one Hurri http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

norman888
06-09-2006, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Hurri-Khan:
Bump!
I'd say here's a good start for H.75 pit..
[URL=http://ambiorix.spymac.com/Images/CurtisHawk75Part2CockpitIn/index.html}



So much for the "...we could not find any references..." B.S. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Add this too:

I could list my "Kate" and "Devastator" sources but that would only raise my blood pressure. If planes can't be built just be honest-too many times the "no references" excuse has been used!!



P-36 / Hawk 75 detail references

Beauchamp and Cuny: 'Curtiss Hawk 75' (ViP Press [USA], 1996; 344 pages; US$49.95) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Curtiss Hawk 75 (P-36, Curtiss H-75, Mohawk), XP-23 (P-23), XP-1 (P-1), P-6, BFC, BF2C (Hawk II, Hawk III, Hawk IV), XP-31 (P-31), P-26, Seversky 1 XP (Sev-1XP), XP-37 (P-37), Seversky AP-4, XP-42 (P-42), Dewoitine D.21 C-1, P-40 (Curtiss Hawk 81); COCKPIT DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75 A-4 (p. 31, 34, 93), P-36C (p. 32, 33); WHEELWELL DETAIL: YP-37 [P-37] (p. 30); MISCELLANEOUS DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75 [P-36] cowl (p. 17, 97), cowl guns (p. 278), engine (p. 28, 35, 37), fuselage panels (p. 24), gunsight (p. 285, 286), landing gear (p. 27, 28, 100), propeller (p. 30), tail (p. 23, 26), underwing bombs (p. 285), wings (p. 22, 24, 25, 30), wing guns (p. 276, 279-284); Finnish Hawk 75 Revi C/12/D gunsight (p. 286); Mohawk IV gunsight (p. 286); XP-37 [P-37] engine mount (p. 44, 48); P-40 [Curtiss Hawk 81] Allison engine (p. 38); MULTI-VIEW DRAWINGS: Hawk 75 [Curtiss H-75] prototype (p. 327), retractable-gear version (p. 323-326, fixed-gear version (p. 328), supercharged version (p. 331), "all-flying tail" version (p. 332); XP-37 [P-37] (p. 333); XP-42 [P-42] (p. 329, 330); GENERIC CAMOUFLAGE PATTERNS: Mohawk IV (p. 242-245); GENERIC MARKING PATTERNS: Mohawk IV (p. 242-245), P-35 (p. 233), P-36 (p. 233, 234); SPECIFIC MARKING PROFILES: Hawk IV [BF2C] (p. 252), Hawk 75 [Curtiss H-75] prototype (p. 252), Hawk 75 "Hawk Special" [fixed-gear version used by Gen. Chennault] (p. 258), Hawk 75A-1 (p. 258-260), Hawk 75A-1/2/3/4/6 [Finland] (p. 247, 248), Hawk 75A-2 (p. 261, 264), Hawk 75A-3 (p. 262, 263), Hawk 75A-4 (p. 263, 265), Hawk 75A-5 (p. 267), Hawk 75A-6 (p. 260, 264, 265), Hawk 75A-7 [Netherlands] (p. 263), Hawk 75A-8 [Norway] (p. 265), Hawk 75A-9 (p. 267), Hawk 75M [China] (p. 259), Hawk 75N [Netherlands] (p. 259), Hawk 750 [Argentina] (p. 258), Hawk 751[?] [France] (p. 263), Mohawk IV (p. 242-245, 251, 262, 266, 267), XP-31 [P-31] (p. 252), Y1P-36 [P-36] (p. 253), P-36A (p. 253, 255, 256, 261), P-36C (p. 254, 257), XP-37 [P-37] (p. 255), XP-40 [P-40 prototype] (p. 257), XP-42 [P-42] (p. 257); COMMENT(s): Revised English translation of Collection Docavia No. 22, by Cuny & Beauchamp. Softcover. Dated 1996 but actually issued in 1997

Cuny and Beauchamp: 'Curtiss Hawk 75' (Collection Docavia series, No. 22; Editions Lariviere [France], 1985; in French; 360 pages; approximate value US$60 [out of print]) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Curtiss Hawk 75 (P-36, Curtiss H-75), XP-23 (P-23), XP-1 (P-1), P-6, BFC, BF2C (Hawk II, Hawk III, Hawk IV), XP-31 (P-31), P-26, Seversky 1 XP, XP-37 (P-37), Seversky AP-4, XP-42 (P-42), Curtiss Hawk 81 (Curtiss H-81) ; COCKPIT DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75 A-4 (p. 270-271, 309-312), P-36C (p. 269); WHEELWELL DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75 [P-36] (p. 267), XP-37 [P-37] (p. 268); MISCELLANEOUS DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75 [P-36] cowl guns (p. 303), cowl & prop (p. 206), wings (p. 263, 264), tail (p. 264, 265), landing gear (p. 206, 266, 280, 281, 283), engine (p. 267, 293-295), underwing bombs (p. 313), wing guns & panels (p. 270, 283, 305, 307); Curtiss Hawk 81 [Curtiss H-81] engine installation (p. 352); P-40 engine (p. 297); CUTAWAY DRAWINGS: Curtiss Hawk 75 [P-36] (inside back cover); MULTI-VIEW DRAWINGS: Mohawk III [Curtiss H 75A-3] (p. 260, 261, 284, 285), P-36 (p. 31, 263), XP-37 [P-37] (p. 51), XP-40 (p. 56-59), XP-42 [P-42] (p. 68, 69, 71); GENERIC CAMOUFLAGE PATTERNS: Mohawk IV (p. 334, 335); GENERIC MARKING PATTERNS: Mohawk IV (p. 334, 335); SPECIFIC MARKING PROFILES: Hawk IV [BF2C] (p. 177), Hawk 75A-1 (p. 188, 189), Hawk 75A-2 (p. 188, 191, 195), Hawk 75A-3 (p. 190, 191-193), Hawk 75A-4 (p. 194), Hawk 75A-5 (p. 199), Hawk 75A-6 (p. 190, 192), Hawk 75A-7 (p. 196), Hawk 75A-8 (p. 198), Hawk 75A-9 (p. 199), Hawk 75H [China] (p. 186), Hawk 75M [China] (p. 187), Hawk 75N [Netherlands] (p. 186), Hawk 750 [Argentina] (p. 187), Hawk 751 [France] (p. 194), Mohawk IV (p. 193, 196-198, 334, 337), XP-31 [P-31] (p. 177), Hawk 75 [Curtiss H-75] prototype (p. 178), Y1P-36 [P-36] (p. 178), P-36A (p. 179-181, 183), P-36C (p. 182, 184 [PHOTO of war-games scheme, p. 315]), XP-37 [P-37] (p. 185), XP-42 [P-42] (p. 200)

Drendel: 'P-40 Warhawk' (Walk Around series, No. 8; Squadron/Signal [USA], 1996; 80 pages; US$14.95) -- Hawk 75-O [P-36] cockpit detail (p. 6, 7, 10), cowl gun bay (p. 10), engine [Wright GR-1820-G3] & engine bay (p. 3), landing gear (p. 7); P-40B [P-40C] landing light (p. 14)

Fleischer: 'Curtiss 75 "Hawk"' (Wydawnictwo Militaria series, No. 103; Wydawnictwo "Militaria" [Poland], 2000; in Polish and English; 76 pages; US$17) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Consolidated PB-2A; Curtiss Hawk H-75 (Curtiss Model 75 prototype), Hawk 75A-1, Hawk 75A-2, Hawk 75A-4, Hawk 75A-5, Hawk 75A-6, Hawk 75A-7, Hawk 75A-8, Hawk 75H, Hawk 75M, Hawk 75N, Hawk 75O, Hawk 75Q, Mohawk IV, P-6E, XP-31 (P-31, XP-934, Swift), Y1P-36, P-36A, P-36B, P-36C, XP-36F, P-36G, RP-36A, RP-36G; Northrop Model 3A; Seversky SEV-1XP, SEV-2XP, AP-1, P-35; MULTI-VIEW DRAWINGS: Curtiss Hawk H-75 [Curtiss Model 75 prototype] [side view only] (p. 61), Hawk 75A-5 (p. 62-64), Hawk 75A-7 [side view only] (p. 66), Hawk 75B [side view only] (p. 61), Hawk 75M [side view only] (p. 62), Hawk 75N [side view only] (p. 67), Hawk 75O [side view only] (p. 67), Mohawk IV [side view only] (p. 66), P-36A (p. 59, 65, 68-70), P-36C [side view only] (p. 60), P-36D [side view only] (p. 59, 60), P-36G [side view only] (p. 66); SPECIFIC MARKING PROFILES: Curtiss Hawk 75A-1 (inside front cover, p. 77), , Hawk 75A-2 (inside back cover), Hawk 75A-4 (inside front cover, p. 77), Hawk 75A-6 (p. 78, inside back cover), Hawk 75A-7 (p. 73), Hawk 75M (back cover), Hawk 75O (p. 72), Hawk 75Q (back cover), P-36A (p. 71), P-36C (p. 74, 75), P-36G (p. 75), RP-36A (p. 76), RP-36G (p. 76)

Green and Swanborough: 'US Army Air Force Fighters, Part 1' (WW2 Aircraft Fact Files series [unnumbered]; Arco [USA], 1977; 76 pages; approximate value US$15 [out of print]) -- Hawk 75A-4 [Mohawk IV, P-36] cutaway drawing (p. 60, 61),

Gunston: 'The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Combat Aircraft of World War II' (Bookthrift/ Salamander [USA / UK], 1978; 256 pages; approximate value US$20 [out of print]) -- Hawk 75 [P-36] cutaway drawing (p. 212)

Keskinen, Stenman and Niska: 'Finnish Air Force Camouflage and Markings [Suomen Ilmavoimien Maalaukset ja Merkinn├┬Ąt]' (Apali Oy [Finland], 1996; in Finnish and English; 192 pages; US$54.95) -- Curtiss Hawk 75A [(P-36] wheelwell detail (p. 153)

Ketley: 'French Aces of World War 2' (Osprey Aircraft of the Aces series, No. 28; Osprey [UK], 1999; 96 pages; US$17.95) -- Hawk 75A [P-36] cockpit detail (p. 69)

Kinzey: 'P-40 Warhawk, Part 1' (Detail & Scale series, No. 61; Squadron/Signal [USA], 1999; 79 pages; US$12.95) -- P-36 [Hawk 75] canopy (p. 25), cowl flaps (p. 27), cowl gun bay (p. 26), engine [P&W R-1830-13] (p. 37), exhausts (p. 37), landing gear (p. 30, 31), propeller (p. 37), tail (p. 32), wheelwell detail (p. 28, 30, 31), wings (p. 28, 29); P-36A cockpit detail (p. 17, 26, 38, 39), multi-view drawing (p. 17-19)

Matt: 'Paul Matt Scale Airplane Drawings, Volume 1' (Aviation Heritage series [unnumbered]; SunShine House [USA], 1991; [pages not numbered]; US$25) -- P-36 multi-view drawing (no page numbers)

Mizrahi: 'Air Corps' (Sentry Books [USA], 1970; 144 pages; approximate value US$30 [out of print]) -- P-36 [Hawk 75] cockpit detail (p. 28)

O'Leary: 'USAAF Fighters of World War Two in Action' (Blandford Press [UK], 1986; 478 pages; US$29.95) -- P-36C cutaway drawing (p. 46, 47)

Pearcy: 'Lend-Lease Aircraft of World War II' (Motorbooks International [USA], 1996; 176 pages; US$29.95) -- Mohawk III [P-36, Curtiss Hawk 75] flap interior (p. 66)

Rys: 'Curtiss P-36 Hawk, cz. 1' (Monografie Lotnicze series, No. 61; AJ Press [Poland], 2000; in Polish; 80 pages; US$20) -- P-36A skiis (p. 37); MULTI-VIEW DRAWINGS: Hawk H-75 [Curtiss Model 75 prototype] (p. 65-67), Hawk H-75B [side view only] (p. 68), Y1P-36 [side view only] (p. 68), P-36A (p. 68-71), P-36C [side view only] (p. 72), XP-36D [side view only] (p. 72), XP-36E [side view only] (p. 72), XP-36F [side view only] (p. 72), P-36G [side view only] (p. 72)

Rys and Fleischer: 'Curtiss P-36 Hawk, cz. 2' (Monografie Lotnicze series, No. 62; AJ Press [Poland], 2000; in Polish; 72 pages; US$20) -- AIRCRAFT TYPES INCLUDED: Hawk 75A-1, Hawk 75A-3, Hawk 75A-4, Hawk 75A-7, Hawk 75A-9, Hawk 75E, Hawk 75B, Hawk 75H, Hawk 75M, Hawk 75N, Hawk 75O, Hawk 75R, Hawk 75S, Mohawk III, Mohawk IV, Y1P-36, P-36A, XP-36B, P-36C, XP-36D, XP-36E, P-36G, XP-42 (P-42); COCKPIT DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75O (p. 32, 33, back cover), P-36A (p. 30, 31) ; WHEELWELL DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75A (p. 34), P-36A (p. 35); MISCELLANEOUS DETAIL: Curtiss Hawk 75A-3 propeller hub (p. 25); Hawk 75A-4 cowl & propeller hub (p. 28); Hawk 75A-7 cowl gun installation (p. 36), wing gun (p. 37); Hawk 75O cowl gun installation (p. 37), landing gear (p. 35); P-36A canopy (p. 30), cowl gun installation (p. 36), tail wheel (p. 35); XP-36E [Hawk 75Q] underwing gun pods (p. 36); Pratt & Whitney R-1830 engine (p. 39); Wright Cyclone R-1820 engine (p. 38, 40); CUTAWAY DRAWINGS: Hawk 75A-7 (inside back cover), P-36A (p. 42, 43); MULTI-VIEW DRAWINGS: Curtiss Hawk 75R (p. 56-58), Curtiss Hawk 75S (p. 59-61), Mowhawk IV (p. 52-54), P-36A (p. 42, 43), XP-42 [P-24] (p. 62-64); SPECIFIC MARKING PROFILES: Curtiss Hawk 75A-3 (p. 69-71), Hawk 75B (p. 65), Curtiss Hawk 75H (p. 65), Curtiss Hawk 75M (p. 65), Mohawk IV (p. 65, 72), P-36A (p. 66, 67), XP-36B (p. 69), P-36C (p. 68)

Shamburger and Christy: 'The Curtiss Hawks' (Wolverine Press [USA], 1972; 271 pages; approximate value US$70 [out of print]) -- P-36 [Hawk 75] cockpit detail (p. 92, 101), fuselage gun installation (p. 92), fuselage structure (p. 92)

Stanaway and Hickey: 'Attack and Conquer: The 8th Fighter Group in World War II' (Schiffer [USA], 1995; 320 pages; US$45) -- P-36 propeller (p. 14)

------: 'Luftfahrt Bilder, Texte Dokumente: Handbuch 9' (Luftfahrt Handbuch series, No. 9; Mittler [Germany], 1978; in German; 482 pages; approximate value US$25 [out of print]) [hard-bound version of "Luftfahrt International," issues 25-27] -- P-36 [Hawk 75 -- version?] armament & armor (p. 3987)

Viikate_
06-12-2006, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by norman888:
So much for the "...we could not find any references..." B.S. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What's your problem?!? Is someone obligated to build you the H-75 pit? Did you pay some extra money for it? Why don't you build it yourself? Spend hundreds of dollars for reference books and thousands of hours modeling the damn thing. Then there is always a chance that you build it wrong and it's useless.

H-75 pit was being built at one time. The modeller just didn't have enough time or REAL references to finish it. P-36 pit is not same as H-75 pit. My friends were digging the finnish museum archives for pit photos. I borrowed a car and drove over 200kms to find and photograph original H-75 instruments. How did you contribute to this project?

When the H-75 external model was made, the french flying replica didn't exist. It's restored to be flyable, not historicly accurate. If someone would build the pit using it as reference, it would be as accurate as using the current P-40B pit as H-75 pit.

I think that now it would be possible to build fairly accurate french H-75 pit and modified finnish pit based on the french one. Now it's just too late.

norman888
06-15-2006, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viikate_:
What's your problem?!? Is someone obligated to build you the H-75 pit? Did you pay some extra money for it? Why don't you build it yourself? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are going to start a 3-D model just finish the darn thing. Find resources, if there are not enough for you to do the project, DON'T start the project!!

You might just be surprised! I hope to make something for SOW! Maybe someday I'll make my own flight sim...but I digress.

I was just releasing my frustrations about modelers who started models with insufficient data stopping other modelers from starting the same projects, only to have them all of a sudden say, " I don't have any pics of the starboard side cockpit, so I can't finish the model...sorry." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Modeling something wrong or bad is a whole different story. "A man's got to know his limitations."