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Freiwillige
11-15-2008, 12:45 PM
I just tried these and I was stunned at their performance. I did a quick mission with me flying a 190D-13 "Yellow 10" against four P-51 C's at around 20k alt. I had bagged all four within about 2 minutes time!

Now I have seen and touched the worlds only Fw-190D-13 "Yellow 10" at the now defunkt Champlins fighter museum in Mesa, Arizona.

At the time I had no Idea what I was touching.
Upon researching that aircraft I discovered a few net facts that I had not know before like.....

Pilots of the Luftwaffe were very distrustfull of the Dora 9's when they reached service units.
After all it had a Jumo 213 bomber engine in it forced on Focke Wulf by the RLM. It didnt help pilots feel any better when Kurt Tank himself had said that this was just a stop gap solution until the Ta-152 was ready. But pilots quickly found that they could out climb the Anton series 190's with relative ease and even P-51's could now be caught.

More Dora facts coming soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

sw25th
11-15-2008, 12:48 PM
How do i get to the Champlin museum? I want to see the dora.

HuninMunin
11-15-2008, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Freiwillige:
I just tried these and I was stunned at their performance. I did a quick mission with me flying a 190D-13 "Yellow 10" against four P-51 C's at around 20k alt. I had bagged all four within about 2 minutes time!

Now I have seen and touched the worlds only Fw-190D-13 "Yellow 10" at the now defunkt Champlins fighter museum in Mesa, Arizona.

At the time I had no Idea what I was touching.
Upon researching that aircraft I discovered a few net facts that I had not know before like.....

Pilots of the Luftwaffe were very distrustfull of the Dora 9's when they reached service units.
After all it had a Jumo 213 bomber engine in it forced on Focke Wulf by the RLM. It didnt help pilots feel any better when Kurt Tank himself had said that this was just a stop gap solution until the Ta-152 was ready. But pilots quickly found that they could out climb the Anton series 190's with relative ease and even P-51's could now be caught.

More Dora facts coming soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well the D-12 could do 750 + km/h.
At the moment the two are a bit too fast ingame, but we're working on it.

JSG72
11-15-2008, 12:58 PM
At the moment the two are a bit too fast ingame, but we're working on it.

Nooo.... They give the advantage over "The Uber AI"

Did Gotz. Shoot anything down with "Yellow 10"

HuninMunin
11-15-2008, 01:01 PM
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Speaking about minor tweaking here.
The overall combat performance wont differ much ( zoom climbing, power climbing, energy retention will stay pretty much the same ).

Anyway the data available is guesswork at best.
Down to the specific armament or exact engine variants sources are anything but conclusive.

DuckyFluff
11-15-2008, 01:01 PM
Yes I was amazed at how fast they are....having said that, even the Antons were better climbers than the Mustang(and all other contemporary US fighters) according to British tests on a captured A3 running a rough engine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Source:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=5264

TS_Sancho
11-15-2008, 01:10 PM
The D-13 can now be found here http://www.flyingheritage.com/TemplateHome.aspx?planeId=4
Paul Allens warbird collection outside of Seattle Washington.

JSG72
11-15-2008, 01:49 PM
Speaking about minor tweaking here.
The overall combat performance wont differ much ( zoom climbing, power climbing, energy retention will stay pretty much the same ).

Anyway the data available is guesswork at best.
Down to the specific armament or exact engine variants sources are anything but conclusive.

Most definetly! Most Factory/If not all performance charts were based on proposed performance.(Something that drives me nuts when folks start quoting from them.)I don't think that the d-11 was meant to have the 30mm outer cannon. "As proposed" however the best known example we can draw conclusions with is "Red 4" of JV44. (Every chance that this was a prototype built with wings from a FW. 190A-8/R2) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Xiolablu3
11-15-2008, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by DuckyFluff:
Yes I was amazed at how fast they are....having said that, even the Antons were better climbers than the Mustang(and all other contemporary US fighters) according to British tests on a captured A3 running a rough engine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Source:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=5264

I think the P38 was a good climber from the US fighters wasnt it?

DuckyFluff
11-15-2008, 02:18 PM
Not against the 190 it wasn't up to 15000ft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Xiolablu3
11-15-2008, 02:27 PM
I think you are just talking about the F model and not the later ones.

The J and L were the best climbing US fighters I believe and pretty close to the late Spitfires and 109's (the best climbers of the WW2 fighters)

DuckyFluff
11-15-2008, 02:34 PM
Also don't forget...that particular 190 had a dodgy engine so was not flying at its best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Freiwillige
11-15-2008, 03:38 PM
Did Gotz. Shoot anything down with "Yellow 10"

Nope, But Gotz was no slouch either...He had 63 kills on all fronts. Here is something I found on the net

"The final development of the type to see operational service was the Fw-190D-13, which replaced the two fuselage-mounted MG 131s with an MG 151 motorkanon, and was powered by the Jumo 213EB. Only two prototypes were completed before the end of the war. One was delivered to JG 26 in late March 1945, where it became the mount of Major Franz Goetz, who had relieved "Pips" Priller as Kommodore on January 28, 1945. A prewar enlisted pilot, Goetz had worked his way up through the ranks and was a 63-victory experte from JG 53. Goetz made no claims while flying this airplane through the final month of the conflict.

And this....
"Yellow 10"

Interestingly, the one-and-only Fw-190D-13 to see service was one of several Doras collected from JG 26 after the war and taken to the United States for testing and evaluation at Wright-Patterson Air Base. After a desultory test program over the year following V-E day, the Dora-13 ended up at Freeman Field Indiana, where it was chosen to partake as a captured aircraft in a victory celebration on Air Force Day in Georgia. At this moment, something strange happened: the wing of the Dora-13 was exchanged with that of a Dora-9 on the field, for reasons no one has ever explained. Following its appearance at the show, the Dora-13 was left on the field. At some point in the 1950s it was purchased and ended up in pieces in an abandoned lot in Atlanta, where it was discovered in the late 1960s by aviation historian Jerry Crandall. In the meantime, the Dora-9 that had the Dora-13 wing was taken back to Wright-Patterson, where it was restored for display at the Air Force Museum. No one paid any attention to the wing difference.

In the 1970s, the Dora-13 was acquired by Doug Champlin and rebuilt to be operational, though it was never flown (a good thing, since many of the hand-made systems were not that good, and the likelihood is it would have crashed on its first attempt at flight). Information had been obtained about the airplane and it was marked as Yellow 10, with the Gruppen Kommodore markings it had carried when flown by Major Goetz. In the early 1990s, the swap of wings was discovered. At the time there was nothing to be done about it, inasmuch as the Air Force was uninterested in pulling their Dora out of display for a wing swap. (It is interesting to note as an aside that when Tamiya measured the Air Force Museum Dora in the early 1990s for their 1/48 Fw-190D-9 kit, they faithfully recreated what they had seen, down to the incorrect wing with only the one shell ejection chute in the wing center section.)

During this period, Jerry Crandall managed to obtain sufficient photos of Yellow 10 shortly after its capture in 1945 to confirm its paint scheme and markings. Almost nothing in the restoration was right! In fact, Yellow 10 had a camouflage paint scheme unlike anything else in the Luftwaffe, an overall brown and green dapple applied over the overall RLM75 scheme it had been delivered in.

Good things come to those who wait. In 2003, the Air Force discovered they needed to overhaul their Fw-190D because of corrosion. This would require disassembly. A swap of wings was concluded, and Yellow 10 finally had the chance to be whole again after nearly 60 years in separate pieces. Since then, Yellow 10 has been stripped and cleaned, with incorrect parts rebuilt for a more accurate look, and Jerry Crandall supervised a repaint of the airframe following reassembly in early 2004. Yellow 10 finally looks mostly like it originally did in April 1945, though Jerry says it should have been painted by modelers, since the colors are "slightly too harsh and too hard."

JSG72
11-15-2008, 03:57 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I have.

http://www.eagle-editions.com/yellow10.htm

on my bookshelve.

TinyTim
11-15-2008, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Well the D-12 could do 750 + km/h.
At the moment the two are a bit too fast ingame, but we're working on it.

Hey, could you check the bombrack too? Dora-9 had a smaller and streamlined ETC-504 instead of ETC-501 used on Antons, I don't think they'd revert back to ETC-501 on D-11 and D-13. I might be wrong tho...

Thanks for the effort, appreciated!

Aaron_GT
11-15-2008, 04:35 PM
I think the P38 was a good climber from the US fighters wasnt it?

Yes, the higher boosted Js and Ls could manage ~4000+ft/min at SL (exact values depend on cleared boost). F8F and Spitfire IX (+25lb) and Spitfire XIV at 4500ft. Not sure what the Spit IX at +18 is from memory.

Bremspropeller
11-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Hey, could you check the bombrack too? Dora-9 had a smaller and streamlined ETC-504 instead of ETC-501 used on Antons, I don't think they'd revert back to ETC-501 on D-11 and D-13. I might be wrong tho...

You're correct.

Waldo.Pepper
11-15-2008, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by sw25th:
How do i get to the Champlin museum? I want to see the dora.

The D-13 is now in the Flying History Collection in Everett Washington. Myself, Dubbo and Beebop were recently fortunate enough to visit the Museum. We saw a Rata and a Bf-109E3 put on a flying display on the day we visited. Here is a picture of D-13.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/FHC/04Focke-Wulf-190D-13crop.jpg

BobbyBrinks
11-15-2008, 11:41 PM
The Yellow 10 in Seattle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01204.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01205.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v170/Bobbybrinks/DSC01209.jpg

RenoNevada
12-08-2008, 11:24 AM
Hi Freiwillige - I have been looking into the FW-190 D-13 and found this thread.

I wanted to ask if you could please provide the link for the info you posted about the D-13?

Thanks!

mortoma
12-08-2008, 04:37 PM
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!

crucislancer
12-08-2008, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!

It's a Mod.

BaronUnderpants
12-09-2008, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

skarden
12-09-2008, 07:26 AM
Lerche http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Freiwillige
12-09-2008, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well since thier performance figures are documented and these aircraft saw service, whats the problem? It isnt like this aircraft never flew, Their is a flyable one (D-13) in Washington state. And I got news for you, The very reason that that D-13 exsists is because it was brought back to the states and thoroughly tested so its performance figures are based on two countries facts regaurding performance.

BaronUnderpants
12-09-2008, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Freiwillige:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well since thier performance figures are documented and these aircraft saw service, whats the problem? It isnt like this aircraft never flew, Their is a flyable one (D-13) in Washington state. And I got news for you, The very reason that that D-13 exsists is because it was brought back to the states and thoroughly tested so its performance figures are based on two countries facts regaurding performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have no problems whatsoever with the D-11 - D-13 as such, WWII warbirds doesnt get any cooler than this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I do however have problems with where this flyable and others (Spit MkI for ex.) comes from, read: AAA = self appointed know it all "experts". Not more than a handfull "experts" infact, when u think about it as far as i can tell, that when all this started sat on thire high horse proclaiming they would never ever in a milion farytales tinker with FM`s and DM`s, wich they both fiddled with btw. Thats the point i was trying to make, hence the "Didnt see that one comming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif", nothing else.

Guess work at best is as good as it gets on my end when taking everything into consideration (the game in its entirity) and it wont take long before the game gets pretty much unplayeble online because of coding problems and missmaches . Maby im not saying this because i wanna be an a_hole, maby people should think more than once about whats beeing done and put in before doing it, cockpit repaints is one thing, this is another cup of tea intirely, and thats all im gonna say.

Please respect my opinion since i/we all been pretty much ordered to respect yours.

Thx.


Reminder: Thats all im gonna say, so leave it at that.

mortoma
12-09-2008, 09:24 AM
Oh, I forgot about the mods. They are very forgettable to me I guess.

NAFP_supah
12-09-2008, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well since thier performance figures are documented and these aircraft saw service, whats the problem? It isnt like this aircraft never flew, Their is a flyable one (D-13) in Washington state. And I got news for you, The very reason that that D-13 exsists is because it was brought back to the states and thoroughly tested so its performance figures are based on two countries facts regaurding performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have no problems whatsoever with the D-11 - D-13 as such, WWII warbirds doesnt get any cooler than this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I do however have problems with where this flyable and others (Spit MkI for ex.) comes from, read: AAA = self appointed know it all "experts". Not more than a handfull "experts" infact, when u think about it as far as i can tell, that when all this started sat on thire high horse proclaiming they would never ever in a milion farytales tinker with FM`s and DM`s, wich they both fiddled with btw. Thats the point i was trying to make, hence the "Didnt see that one comming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif", nothing else.

Guess work at best is as good as it gets on my end when taking everything into consideration (the game in its entirity) and it wont take long before the game gets pretty much unplayeble online because of coding problems and missmaches . Maby im not saying this because i wanna be an a_hole, maby people should think more than once about whats beeing done and put in before doing it, cockpit repaints is one thing, this is another cup of tea intirely, and thats all im gonna say.

Please respect my opinion since i/we all been pretty much ordered to respect yours.

Thx.


Reminder: Thats all im gonna say, so leave it at that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noone's forcing you to download and install them. Don't like it? Don't install it. If you do that then I see very little reason to complain about other people using these mods. If they want to fly airplanes you feel are unrealistic then thats their choice.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-09-2008, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well since thier performance figures are documented and these aircraft saw service, whats the problem? It isnt like this aircraft never flew, Their is a flyable one (D-13) in Washington state. And I got news for you, The very reason that that D-13 exsists is because it was brought back to the states and thoroughly tested so its performance figures are based on two countries facts regaurding performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have no problems whatsoever with the D-11 - D-13 as such, WWII warbirds doesnt get any cooler than this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I do however have problems with where this flyable and others (Spit MkI for ex.) comes from, read: AAA = self appointed know it all "experts". Not more than a handfull "experts" infact, when u think about it as far as i can tell, that when all this started sat on thire high horse proclaiming they would never ever in a milion farytales tinker with FM`s and DM`s, wich they both fiddled with btw. Thats the point i was trying to make, hence the "Didnt see that one comming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif", nothing else.

Guess work at best is as good as it gets on my end when taking everything into consideration (the game in its entirity) and it wont take long before the game gets pretty much unplayeble online because of coding problems and missmaches . Maby im not saying this because i wanna be an a_hole, maby people should think more than once about whats beeing done and put in before doing it, cockpit repaints is one thing, this is another cup of tea intirely, and thats all im gonna say.

Please respect my opinion since i/we all been pretty much ordered to respect yours.

Thx.


Reminder: Thats all im gonna say, so leave it at that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you would be correct except for one factor, the new AC with the new FM/DM's are not a threat to online play. AAA was and is serious about no FM DM Weapon mods, the only reason they do them is on new AC and only because of the way the new AC work. The ONLY way to use one of the new AC online is to have everyone connected to the server have the mod installed AND to have the plane specifically added to the airplane selection list in the mission that is running. Even on AAA's own dedicated server on HL you are not able to fly these new AC due to the above requirements. Any FM/DM or Weapon mod for a stock AC is strictly forbidden for obvious reasons.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not poo-pooing your opinion or even saying you are wrong, I'm just providing information about how the new AC work that by it's nature should neutralize your concerns.


THAT BEING SAID, lets get this topic back on topic, ok guys?

BaronUnderpants
12-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freiwillige:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaronUnderpants:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
The D-11 and 13 are not modeled in this sim, only the early and late D-9 models. Am I the only one who realized this? You can stick 11 and 13 skins on a 9 but that don't change the fact that it's a 9!!


Wich means "they" fiddled with FM`s based on guesswork (at best)

Didnt see that one comming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well since thier performance figures are documented and these aircraft saw service, whats the problem? It isnt like this aircraft never flew, Their is a flyable one (D-13) in Washington state. And I got news for you, The very reason that that D-13 exsists is because it was brought back to the states and thoroughly tested so its performance figures are based on two countries facts regaurding performance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I have no problems whatsoever with the D-11 - D-13 as such, WWII warbirds doesnt get any cooler than this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I do however have problems with where this flyable and others (Spit MkI for ex.) comes from, read: AAA = self appointed know it all "experts". Not more than a handfull "experts" infact, when u think about it as far as i can tell, that when all this started sat on thire high horse proclaiming they would never ever in a milion farytales tinker with FM`s and DM`s, wich they both fiddled with btw. Thats the point i was trying to make, hence the "Didnt see that one comming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif", nothing else.

Guess work at best is as good as it gets on my end when taking everything into consideration (the game in its entirity) and it wont take long before the game gets pretty much unplayeble online because of coding problems and missmaches . Maby im not saying this because i wanna be an a_hole, maby people should think more than once about whats beeing done and put in before doing it, cockpit repaints is one thing, this is another cup of tea intirely, and thats all im gonna say.

Please respect my opinion since i/we all been pretty much ordered to respect yours.

Thx.


Reminder: Thats all im gonna say, so leave it at that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you would be correct except for one factor, the new AC with the new FM/DM's are not a threat to online play. AAA was and is serious about no FM DM Weapon mods, the only reason they do them is on new AC and only because of the way the new AC work. The ONLY way to use one of the new AC online is to have everyone connected to the server have the mod installed AND to have the plane specifically added to the airplane selection list in the mission that is running. Even on AAA's own dedicated server on HL you are not able to fly these new AC due to the above requirements. Any FM/DM or Weapon mod for a stock AC is strictly forbidden for obvious reasons.

Don't take me the wrong way, I'm not poo-pooing your opinion or even saying you are wrong, I'm just providing information about how the new AC work that by it's nature should neutralize your concerns.


THAT BEING SAID, lets get this topic back on topic, ok guys? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Did not know that actually and it does put my mind at ease concerning some things.

Thx.

Freiwillige
12-09-2008, 03:23 PM
Yep, Nooo changes to pre-exsisting AC flight weapon or damage models. This isnt Microsoft CFS! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Back to topic These aircraft are very well done in the sim and I for one looooove the D-13 but the D-11 feels a bit more sluggish in menouver. Could just be me though although it would make sense since it has the extra wing guns.

M_Gunz
12-09-2008, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by DuckyFluff:
Also don't forget...that particular 190 had a dodgy engine so was not flying at its best http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

They did get the right spark plugs and it ran better.
Consider that they tested at full 1.42ATA and revs, the motor was making full power beyond what it was placarded to use.
It was new, still during engine break-in, they first what 500 hours?
It ran rough, they got new Bosch plugs and it ran smoother, the boost and revs confirm the power produced.

Keep waving that little handkerchief though.