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PaulWF
02-05-2009, 01:35 PM
A small PDF on the La-5

http://www.angelsandairspeed.c...wtopic.php?f=1&t=215 (http://www.angelsandairspeed.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=215)

K_Freddie
02-05-2009, 01:46 PM
Nicely put together.. but not really applicable in 'real' combat.. One sees 'thousands' of these comparisons.

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PaulWF
02-05-2009, 01:48 PM
In what manner - real life combat or our simulated ones? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SlickStick
02-05-2009, 02:57 PM
Hmmm, I don't seem to have an issue with opening your guide on the Spitfire Vb, but the last two that I've tried to open, the Mig-3 and this current La-5 one, gives me a "Bad Encrypt Dictionary" error when I open it with Adobe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

PaulWF
02-05-2009, 03:13 PM
What version of acrobat are you using?

I think the newer PDF's require acrobat 7 to open properly.

SlickStick
02-05-2009, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by PaulWF:
What version of acrobat are you using?

I think the newer PDF's require acrobat 7 to open properly.

I'm using Adobe Acrobat Professional 6.0, not just the reader. The interesting thing is I have no issue with the Spitfire Vb one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

PaulWF
02-05-2009, 04:03 PM
ok that's your problem.

When I distilled the Spitfire one I had it on a lower version setting.

All the new ones require 7.0 and above.

SlickStick
02-05-2009, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by PaulWF:
ok that's your problem.

When I distilled the Spitfire one I had it on a lower version setting.

All the new ones require 7.0 and above.

NP, I'll just use my reader S/W at home. It's up-to-date. Doubtful that I'll be getting an Acrobat update anytime soon. Thanks for the reply.

toogame
02-05-2009, 06:46 PM
Great Job Mate, Love ya Work !!!

K_Freddie
02-05-2009, 11:54 PM
'Real' = simulation
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PaulWF
02-06-2009, 08:52 AM
ok - so can you explain how it's not relevant?

Any criticism that helps me improve these pdf's is appreciated.

Also - if you have any links to the other comparisons i'd like to check them out too.

K_Freddie
02-06-2009, 12:11 PM
Nah.. The documents are good.

Just when flying virtual (or real for that matter), it's all by the 'seat of your pants'.. and a variation of some famous quotes...
'it's all about the pilot and a little bit of the aircraft'.

A lot of people get a little stuck on comparison charts and complain when it's not according to the book.
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PaulWF
02-09-2009, 01:17 PM
Flying seat of the pants - Maybe for you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Great way to get yourself killed not knowing what your strengths are and the weaknesses of your enemy.

For me and the guys I fly with it's all about tactics.

I guess that's why the benefit of the document wasn't apparent to you - it's for full realism teamwork based force on force (ie, simulating combat as closely as we can). The sort of information is critical for those who are.. for the lack of a better word.. professional about their tactics.

PF_Coastie
02-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Paul, I think all he is saying is that some (myself included) don't really give a hoot about all the real world tactical terminology. We fly by the seat of our pants without knowing all of this terminolgy and don't really care to know it. We just like to fly and have fun, but...

That does not mean we are ignorant to our planes weaknesses and advantages as well as the enemies. It also does not mean we do not do any of these fancy manuevers with the fancy names, we sure do use them, we just don't know it! We simply do it when the time is right because it is the right thing to do.

Look at that flight in the Migs we had. We did extremely well for never flying together. We worked well together and learned a lot about the Mig and the 109's we were against. I could not tell you a technical name of a single move we did, but I am sure we did some and got good results too, until the very end. But we learned, that is the key.

I certanly appreciate your documents, they are great. I just skip over the terminology stuff and get to the meat of the matter though.

Keep up the great work man, it is appreciated.

jamesblonde1979
02-10-2009, 09:49 AM
Hi Paul, these look great!

I'm looking at the others in your series, do you make these?

crucislancer
02-10-2009, 04:05 PM
Bravo, Paul! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

I'm really enjoying these pdfs you've been publishing. Looking forward to the next one!

PaulWF
02-21-2009, 11:14 PM
James - yes I do.

Crucislancer - I'd like to eventually have released a pdf for each major fighter type of WW2. Long term project.

Coastie - without the use of terminology people cannot conceptualize tactics or visualize them. While a lot of people do fly by the seat of their pants they are left flying 'reactively' or 'instinctively' rather than as i prefer.. dastardly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jamesblonde1979
02-22-2009, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Nicely put together.. but not really applicable in 'real' combat.. One sees 'thousands' of these comparisons.

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Funny that, I guess all those comparisons done at RAF Farnborough during the war were a waste of taxpayers money then...

/sarc

DKoor
02-22-2009, 09:33 AM
Those PDF's are God send for newbies. They may shortcut their learning curve with this stuff.

zardozid
02-22-2009, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PaulWF:
What version of acrobat are you using?

I think the newer PDF's require acrobat 7 to open properly.

I'm using Adobe Acrobat Professional 6.0, not just the reader. The interesting thing is I have no issue with the Spitfire Vb one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm able to open them in "Fox-it Reader"...no problem at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
If Adobee's large size and intrusive presence bothers you, you might try the tidy and convenient "Fox-it".


http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php

DKoor
02-22-2009, 12:44 PM
Foxit rules http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . My favorite PDF reader.

PaulWF
02-24-2009, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Those PDF's are God send for newbies. They may shortcut their learning curve with this stuff.

That's pretty much the whole intent of Angels and Airspeed.

This genre is HARD to get into without a lot of help. New people need a leg up and that's why I wrote Angels and Airspeed and run the training that comes with it.

It's kind of amazing how even 'experienced' pilots who do well by themselves can be completely clueless as to why they do well and no use whatsoever in coordinated tactics. The problem with these experienced guys is that they've gotten to a point where they're so cocky about their own ability that they believe they do know what they're doing when it's really a case of their victims NOT knowing what they're doing.

I'm trying to change that by giving newbies an understanding of how air combat WORKS so they have a basis to build their own skills upon. With that understanding it won't be long before they're beating the pants off those who consider themselves experten.

Xiolablu3
02-24-2009, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Foxit rules http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . My favorite PDF reader.


Yeah, excellent PDF reader, no bloatware as with Adobe cr*p reader.

Xiolablu3
02-24-2009, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by PaulWF:
It's kind of amazing how even 'experienced' pilots who do well by themselves can be completely clueless as to why they do well and no use whatsoever in coordinated tactics.

hehe I remember having no idea what a SPit-S was, until I read about it and realised I had been doing it for months, without actually knowing it was a 'Split-S' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Its Definitely one of the best evasive manouvres IMHO.

For those who arent sure, when you are attacked from above and behind, you flip upside down and then pull back the stick so you dive under and finally behind the attacking plane.

If he is travelling faster than you he will not be able to pull enough deflection to take the shot.

However this isnt actually as good a technique in the Bf109 as it is in the Fw190, Spit, Tempest or P51, because the Bf109 isnt so great at elevator manouvres at higher speeds. However it will still work most of the time. It will usually cause your higher and faster attacking opponent to black out if he tries to follow.

If I am the attacker and an enmy performss a 'Spilt -S', I will usually abort the attack immediatly and climb back up, its pointless trying to follow.

jamesblonde1979
02-24-2009, 04:55 PM
RE Split S.

If your bandit is coming in really hot you can reverse the Split S half way through and latch onto his tail as he overshoots for a quick snap shot.

PaulWF
02-25-2009, 09:03 AM
To me a split-s is an offensive move when higher to drop onto an unsuspecting bandit or a disengagement move when i'm trouble.

I do not like giving up the altitude you lose in a split-s. Instead I use a slice. I've got a post on why at the following link:

http://www.angelsandairspeed.c...ewtopic.php?f=1&t=32 (http://www.angelsandairspeed.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32)