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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:19 PM
Man what a stupid move for Russians because they replaced the I-16 and I-153 , these things rockz ,...same thing for UK , i realy dunno why the hell they replaced the Hurricane , that plane kick serious *** .
Imagine some I-16 , I-153 , Hurri and some Tankovi or Kruopvi or wth the name of that 30-45 mm cannon is and put this stuff in a dogfight against some obsolete FW and BF ,...duh ,..germans will be hunted like pigs .
Anyway , i think that all this stuff is pure fiction , i play yesterday in a server where we had only early german planes and all the reds used I-16 , Hurri and Krupovi (duh) ,..and man we got kicked extremely hard , but i mean realy hard , we was masacrated , so i wonder why the hell the Russians and UK continued the search for new planes when they got these UFO's .
I wonder also why Americans ever replaced the dangerous killing machine P 39 but that;s another story .
A lot of dumb moves made by Allies in WWII if you ask me .

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:19 PM
Man what a stupid move for Russians because they replaced the I-16 and I-153 , these things rockz ,...same thing for UK , i realy dunno why the hell they replaced the Hurricane , that plane kick serious *** .
Imagine some I-16 , I-153 , Hurri and some Tankovi or Kruopvi or wth the name of that 30-45 mm cannon is and put this stuff in a dogfight against some obsolete FW and BF ,...duh ,..germans will be hunted like pigs .
Anyway , i think that all this stuff is pure fiction , i play yesterday in a server where we had only early german planes and all the reds used I-16 , Hurri and Krupovi (duh) ,..and man we got kicked extremely hard , but i mean realy hard , we was masacrated , so i wonder why the hell the Russians and UK continued the search for new planes when they got these UFO's .
I wonder also why Americans ever replaced the dangerous killing machine P 39 but that;s another story .
A lot of dumb moves made by Allies in WWII if you ask me .

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 05:23 PM
MAN WUT A STUPID MOVA FOR RUSIANS B/C THAY REPLAECD TEH I-16 AND I-153 THESE THNGS ROKZ .SM3!!!1!!!!1!1111111! OMG LOL THNG FOR UK I REALY DUNO Y DA H3L THAY R3PLAECD DA HURICAEN TAHT PLAEN KIK SERIOUS AS
IMAGIEN1!11 OMG SOM3 I-16 I-153 HURI AND SOMA TANKOVI OR KRUOPVI OR WTH TEH NMA OF TAHT 30-45 M CANON IS AND PUT THIS STUF IN A DOGFIGHT AGANEST SOME OBSOL3TE FW AND BF .DUH1!1111111!11!11!1 OMG LOL .G3RMANS1!1!!!!1 OMG LOL WIL B HUNTED LIEK PIGS
ANYWAY!!!1 OMG LOL I THINK TAHT AL THIS STUF IS PUR3 FICTION I PLAY YEST3RDAY IN A S3RVER WHAR3 WA HAD ONLY EARLY G3RMAN PLAENS AND AL TEH RADS US3D I-16 HURI AND KRUPOVI (DUH) .AND!!111!11!11! OMG LOL MAN W3 GOT ****D 3XTREM3LY HARD BUT I M3AN RAALY HARD WE WAS MASACRAETD SO I WONDER Y DA HEL TEH RUSIANS AND UK CONTINU3D DA SAARCH FOR NU PLAENS WHEN THEY GOT TH3SE UFOS
I1!11! OMG WOND3R ALSO Y MARICANS 3V3R RAPLAECD TEH DANGEROUS KILNG MACHIEN P 39 BUT TAHTS ANOTHER S2RY
A!!11!!1 LOL LOT OF DUMB MOVAS MAED BY ALEIS IN WI IF U ASK M3 !!!!1 OMG LOL

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Cpt.LoneRanger
08-16-2003, 05:25 PM
The I16 and I153 were inferior to most WW2 planes. As always, in the end it's the pilot making the difference.
If you know your aircraft and the aircraft of your enemy, you can play out your strengths at their weak point and you can win even in a P11... well, if you're really good /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 06:27 PM
I think there are many misconceptions of just what pilots and aircraft designers were aiming for in terms of aircraft.

Sustained turning ability counts for absolutely nothing if you're bounced by an aircraft you didn't see coming at you from above at high speed, who can disengage at any time.

This is why the trend was towards faster and faster climbing aircraft, bigger guns, more armor, more raw HP, better visibility. Not towards better turning ability or aerobatics.

Dogfights and furballs might seem exciting, but I don't think that even a significant minority of air-air engagements were resolved in them. Most kills were scored by aircraft that the loser never saw coming, going too fast and zooming up too high for the rest of the wing to meaningfully engage them after the first pass.

Even if you do end up in a 'fair' dogfight, if you're flying something too slow to get out of the area when things turn bad, you're done for.

It's sort of like, say, the image people have of wild west/colonial duels. The proportion of these that were resolved by a fair and square quickdraw were probably miniscule compared the the number of people killed by a 'cowardly' rifle shot they never saw coming. That kind of 'cowardice' has a way of keeping the coward alive and the brave man dead, though :>

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 07:58 PM
well for most of us who will never fly or have ever flown A/C from that era, one must consider that these planes really sucked in real life. German A/C like the 190's were very formiddable foes and flown alot better than what we have in FB, which could dance all over much primitive A/C like the older Russian planes. the P-47 flew alot better and handled alot better also and so on etc, etc.

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:42 PM
lol ,another noob thinking fb modelling equals real life. i guess if your a master of duke nukem you can also take on the N.Y.P.D. with a couple of pistols too !

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:54 PM
I'll take a wild guess and say these guys were playing as Germans but did not use BnZ tactics. This guy sounds like he's new, and probably used the same instinct most newbies seem to have - which is to try and turn onto an enemy's tail. As far as I know, this is the ABSOLUTELY DUMBEST thing one can do when facing an I-16. If that little beast can do anything well, it's turn.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 08:55 PM
RedDeth wrote:
- lol ,another noob thinking fb modelling equals real
- life. i guess if your a master of duke nukem you can
- also take on the N.Y.P.D. with a couple of pistols
- too !
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Heh , the difference is that the game you like 'Duke whatever' might not a Sim but some arcade game .
I just wanted to post about overmodeled planes wich sould be corected .
I dont play a lot FB , maybe twice a week so indeed i might be a noob .
I notice in your sig "6 years Flying" Champions , so i think m8 that you are the guy who think that if you played a lot your Duke you can take on NYPD .

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 09:00 PM
Really; six years sitting in front of a computer playing games. His parents must be bursting with pride.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 09:22 PM
no idiots did turn fight on them that is why they replace it

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:13 PM
Ride on a F-18 and try to catch the tail of a Sopwith Camel of WWI in a turning fight. You'll have your *** kicked.

An I-153 is not a better plane than a Bf 109, but it can fly circles around it. So don't you blame the planes nor the game. You're simply a bad pilot who ignores how to use his plane and who knows nothing about tactics.



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(Captain Lacalle, ace of the Republican Air Force during the Spanish Civil War.)

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:16 PM
I smell smoke!

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 11:00 PM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Ride on a F-18 and try to catch the tail of a
- Sopwith Camel of WWI in a turning fight. You'll have
- your *** kicked.
-
- An I-153 is not a better plane than a Bf 109, but it
- can fly circles around it. So don't you blame the
- planes nor the game. You're simply a bad pilot who
- ignores how to use his plane and who knows nothing
- about tactics.



You maybe right , as i told you i dont play a lot this so i am maybe a bad pilot who knows nothing about tactics .
But , how ever bad i am i found that I-16 is overmodeled in my opinion , as well P-39 but this is just a opinion from a bad pilot so please ignore this if i offence somebody .

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 11:06 PM
....and where there's smoke there's fire...

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 12:10 AM
Your opinion is most welcome,However only if you can back it up with solid facts.



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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 12:28 AM
DuxCorvan wrote:
- Ride on a F-18 and try to catch the tail of a
- Sopwith Camel of WWI in a turning fight. You'll have
- your *** kicked.
-
I'd just lob a Sparrow on its tail before it even knew I was there./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Or if I got close enough to worry about a turn fight, rip it apart with the cannon./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:39 AM
Do you really think the allies were that dumb? Come on man ......... It was thier lives on the line.. If the older designs worked they would have kept them. Actually Operation Barbarossa served to fuel the more mdern fighters in Russia... The Germans destroyed a lot of the I-16s & I-153s prompting the Russians to come up with better designs a little sooner than they might have otherwise. Turning ability is sweet but if you dont see a plane coming that has better guns and can disengage and return to the fight at will you wont last long. I'll take that F-18 any day.

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:06 AM
Duh......your like.stupid....wanker

:I get shot down so the enemy wont know that I am an ace.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:27 AM
R.D.D wrote:
- A lot of dumb moves made by Allies in WWII if
- you ask me .

Well, didnt ask, but one thing is clear, the only dumb one around here is the one that does not realise that the way a game is played is not the way a war was fought.




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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:28 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- lol ,another noob thinking fb modelling equals real
- life. i guess if your a master of duke nukem you can
- also take on the N.Y.P.D. with a couple of pistols
- too !

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:06 AM
R.D.D wrote:

- I wonder also why Americans ever replaced the
- dangerous killing machine P 39 but that;s another
- story .


Because, even if P-39 get better engine, Japanese Zero at Pacific still able shot them down if they get into dogfight.

Also I heard that service the P-39 is nightmare as even try aligment guns up isn't easy. Read close on real stories/history of P-39.


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SnowLeopard

Message Edited on 08/16/0310:08PM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 05:04 AM
I hate to burst your bubble about the P-39 but...
Any plane that got into a dogfight with the Zero came out the loser. Period. The P-40's were massacred by the Zero by pilots that tried to dogfight them. The Flying Tigers were BnZing the Zeros because the P-40 was superior in a dive to the Zero. Hit and run, first rule of Chennault was "Do NOT try to turn with a Zero".
Actually, under 10k feet the P-39 was one of the best fighters of the war. Put a pilot that knew that and kept it where it performed best it was an absolute bear to beat. Even the detractors of the planes said that it was one of the easiest and fun planes they ever flew.
The P-39 couldn't take the fight up to altitude because the AAF in thier limited intelligence stripped it of the supercharger which killed the ability of the plane to perform at higher altitudes.
Below 10k though the P-39 would walk away from the Zero and was able to out-climb it and out-dive it. Also in the P-400's if you got in the way of all the guns it would un-nerve almost anyone. 1x20mm, 2x.50's, 4x.30's all firing tracer would make you try and go higher to escape it too!
The American's who flew it in the Pacific tried to use it outside it's strength so they hated it. Same with the Brits who were used to being able to fly at altitude. But the Russians who prefered to fly low loved it!
It just goes to show that when a plane is used with it's strengths it can appear to be "Uber"....
My 2 cents...
Mirthain=FC=

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:26 AM
Also-- let's try and keep away from mixing the western, eastern, and pacific theatres-- The zero vs. the P-39 kicked tail, but the P-39 was still a solid fighter. The P-38 lighting could destroy flocked of Japanese opponents but was relegated to a less-than-favorite position in Europe because of the way the Luftwaffe fighters performed and fought.

Also, I've tried turning fights with those zippy little Russian buggers-- a learning mistake, but a BIG mistake.. Now I laugh with pleasure whenever the silly AI 109s jump into a turning fight in my I-16, because I can whup 'em... If they ever climb away, though, I'm sunk...

Also- try pushing negative G's in the I-153 and the I-16... THE ENGINE QUITS!! It's a carburatuer/no-fuel-injection problem, but my GOD! a 109 or even a Stuka noses over in a close fight, if you don't pay attention and follow him the wrong way, you're out of the fight and taking the silk elevator on home (or landing on rough terrain and having to *carefully* plan your deadstick)

No offense, and yes, I too was surprised at the turning fighter's capability, but I realize it was because of my inexperience as a pilot...

The instinct of all new flyers is that the quickest way to get to the target is turn... It takes practice and a healthy breaking of habit to teach yourself that the best way to stay alive is to put some distance between you and that nasty little bandit and do like the hawk and buzz by him again.

Your Luftwaffe opponents probably are still perfecting that skill. I know I am! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:41 AM
quote from R.D.D. "Heh , the difference is that the game you like 'Duke whatever' might not a Sim but some arcade game .
I just wanted to post about overmodeled planes wich sould be corected .
I dont play a lot FB , maybe twice a week so indeed i might be a noob .
I notice in your sig "6 years Flying" Champions , so i think m8 that you are the guy who think that if you played a lot your Duke you can take on NYPD ." OK. dude. do i have to explain my original reply? i guess so. first i never played dukenukem. but i was making an analogy to your idea of the I16 and 153 being super duper and can take on the world is the same as saying that if your great at duke nukem you could take on an entire police force. it was sarcasm. my lord no wonder you started this thread....




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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:45 AM
Well, kinda right... ;-D
The P-38 was loved because it could bring the fight to the Japanese at altitude, and because the weapons being grouped so tight almost any hit was bound to do serious damage.
But the 38's surprised the Japanese pilots because they had all the advantages at altitude up until the P-38 was released.
The reason the P-38 wasn't liked in the 8th Air Force was because of the role they were put in and that they weren't equipped for that role, namely high altitude escort duty.
But the P-38 in every other theater was loved by the pilots and feared by the enemy. The Germans hated fighting it because of the climb rate, speed, turn radius and the above mentioned weapon grouping. It was an ecellent fighter that was given a bad rap because of it's initial problems, later fixed.
The darling of most hack historians, the P-51, was a great high altitude escort and interceptor, but was moderate in most all other roles. But because it is a pretty plane it was given the laurels of other planes.
The B-17 is also in this role. The B-17 was not a heavy bomber in payload, only in crew and engines. The B-26 had almost the same payload capability as the B-17 but was faster. The B-24 was the main Heavy of the US. Again the press darling was the B-17 because she was better looking than the B-24, even though there were more B-24's than B-17's.
My main point with this is that you must be careful of the casual history that you hear about planes. There is much that is taken for granted when discussing these planes, but the truth is easily found.
Mirthain=FC=

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:21 AM
I agree, fighting the little old ones in this game is rather difficult, even BnZ. You buzz them, and they turn towards you to shoot, then turn again as you pass and shoot up your 6.

Of course, I'm not very good at this, but that does happen to us less skilled pilots.

I remember in IL2, (No FB) there was a single mission of the bf-109 in which you went up against some biplane that simply must have been over modeled, (And there was much talk at the time about it.) as the bugger could do a full verticle forever. Basicly, it outclimbed you, and out turned you, and out ran you, and it was a bloody biplane! I don't remember how the whole thing worked out though.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 10:49 AM
Yes, I remember that as well. Out of all the Bf109 missions in the game, that was the hardest. The I153s were almost completely impossible to shoot down.
Oh, and BTW R.D.D, if the sig says that "www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying" that doesn't mean that RedDeth has been flying non-stop for six years. Don't be such a stupid idiot and use some common sense, if you actually have any.

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 01:28 PM
LOL that mission I passed with unlimited ammo, firing every time the little B*stard was in front of me! But for me the hardest was one of the last ones, fighting Yak-3s. because I esed extensively flaps and no stalling, I thought I could handle them. BIG mistake. 3 times in a row I got shot. then I thought, they are better in turns. What if I try closing from above diving and pulling up? At that time I had no idea of B&Z. Well I tried it...Voilla! I shot 3 of the 4 darn Yaks! This I consider my Best move ever!

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:23 PM
R.D.D... war is not won with fighters, its won on the ground. The Soviet used IL2's and Ground support planes to gain back what they lost by late 42, they improved in 43 and totally dominated in 44. No fighters, as good or bad made a change in the outcome of WWII, contrary to belief in here...

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:07 PM
EDtheHead6445 wrote:
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- Oh, and BTW R.D.D, if the sig says that
- "www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions
- Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying" that doesn't mean that
- RedDeth has been flying non-stop for six years.
- Don't be such a stupid idiot and use some common
- sense, if you actually have any.

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Man , first of all the post was not serious and it was a joke , if you can't understand that you must be the bigest stupid jerk i ever seen .
I was just try to say in the funny way that some kick-*** planes got kicked in a server by some early planes .
Some normal people explained why , other jerks like you came with insults , treated me as idiot ,...but i dont realy care since only a brainless person act like this and as i told you , i dont play a lot this game .
Second your friend (the duke player) told me that if i play that game i will not be able to take on NYPD .
Duh ,...he say this but he is the one who think that is some kick-*** WWII pilot with the "6 years fly " stuff and the proud champ in his sig because if not his sig sould be " Tired of 6 years with a stick on my hand thinking that i am some champ pilot"

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:28 PM
Mirthain wrote:
- The darling of most hack historians, the P-51, was a
- great high altitude escort and interceptor, but was
- moderate in most all other roles. But because it is
- a pretty plane it was given the laurels of other
- planes.
- The B-17 is also in this role. The B-17 was not a
- heavy bomber in payload, only in crew and engines.
- The B-26 had almost the same payload capability as
- the B-17 but was faster. The B-24 was the main
- Heavy of the US. Again the press darling was the
- B-17 because she was better looking than the B-24,
- even though there were more B-24's than B-17's.
- My main point with this is that you must be careful
- of the casual history that you hear about planes.
- There is much that is taken for granted when
- discussing these planes, but the truth is easily
- found.
- Mirthain=FC=


And to give the Mustang more credibility with numbers, they changed the way the kills were credited, ex post facto

P51's were credited with AC kills when they were parked on the runways and airfields .. that brought the numbers in line with the likes of the other non sexy-but effective fighters


CC


Mirthain wrote:
- Well, kinda right... ;-D
- The P-38 was loved because it could bring the fight
- to the Japanese at altitude, and because the weapons
- being grouped so tight almost any hit was bound to
- do serious damage.
- But the 38's surprised the Japanese pilots because
- they had all the advantages at altitude up until the
- P-38 was released.
- The reason the P-38 wasn't liked in the 8th Air
- Force was because of the role they were put in and
- that they weren't equipped for that role, namely
- high altitude escort duty.
- But the P-38 in every other theater was loved by the
- pilots and feared by the enemy. The Germans hated
- fighting it because of the climb rate, speed, turn
- radius and the above mentioned weapon grouping. It
- was an ecellent fighter that was given a bad rap
- because of it's initial problems, later fixed.
- The darling of most hack historians, the P-51, was a
- great high altitude escort and interceptor, but was
- moderate in most all other roles. But because it is
- a pretty plane it was given the laurels of other
- planes.
- The B-17 is also in this role. The B-17 was not a
- heavy bomber in payload, only in crew and engines.
- The B-26 had almost the same payload capability as
- the B-17 but was faster. The B-24 was the main
- Heavy of the US. Again the press darling was the
- B-17 because she was better looking than the B-24,
- even though there were more B-24's than B-17's.
- My main point with this is that you must be careful
- of the casual history that you hear about planes.
- There is much that is taken for granted when
- discussing these planes, but the truth is easily
- found.
- Mirthain=FC=
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:33 PM
I tend to disagree. War is won on the ground, but the success of ground battles hinges greatly on establishing air superiority. These IL2s would never get to their targets if air superiority was not established, and your tanks and troops would be decimated by enemy air support before they even engaged the enemy ground force in battle.

DR_Hangar wrote:
- R.D.D... war is not won with fighters, its won on
- the ground. The Soviet used IL2's and Ground support
- planes to gain back what they lost by late 42, they
- improved in 43 and totally dominated in 44. No
- fighters, as good or bad made a change in the
- outcome of WWII, contrary to belief in here...
-
- Read more about WWII history, and you'll understand
- more what really happened in WWII
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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:12 PM
And the successful establish of air superiority depends on a constant stream of supplies, parts and replacements, which can only be ensured by superiority at sea. And superiority at sea can only maintained through...

It all comes together in a nice circle. Let's not play the "which branch won the war?" game.

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:49 PM
Actually, that was my point. I just wanted to say that fighters do make a big difference in the outcome of a war (quote DR_Hangar: "No fighters, as good or bad made a change in the outcome of WWII"), as do all the other branches of service (though in some cases, superiority at sea might not be as important, as for example it was in Russia where all the supplies were made in-country and could be transported by land).
Anyway, point is if some branch of the service couldn't help change the outcome of the war, that branch wouldn't have existed in the first place.

A.K.Davis wrote:
- And the successful establish of air superiority
- depends on a constant stream of supplies, parts and
- replacements, which can only be ensured by
- superiority at sea. And superiority at sea can only
- maintained through...
-
- It all comes together in a nice circle. Let's not
- play the "which branch won the war?" game.
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 08:19 PM
Yes.. a P-39 climbed with my FW190A4... it seemed so stupid...

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:10 AM
Airbot, Can you say "US lend lease program"? Without which the russians would have been left with nothing but russian/german phrase books due to the ammount of time it took them to get their industry really working.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:19 AM
...back to the thread...

RDD, you MUST be joking. If not, well, then you are completely confused by the vast differences between this game and reality.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:41 AM
R.D.D wrote:
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- EDtheHead6445 wrote:
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-- Oh, and BTW R.D.D, if the sig says that
-- "www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions
-- Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying" that doesn't mean that
-- RedDeth has been flying non-stop for six years.
-- Don't be such a stupid idiot and use some common
-- sense, if you actually have any.
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- Man , first of all the post was not serious and it
- was a joke , if you can't understand that you must
- be the bigest stupid jerk i ever seen .
- I was just try to say in the funny way that some
- kick-*** planes got kicked in a server by some early
- planes .
- Some normal people explained why , other jerks like
- you came with insults , treated me as idiot ,...but
- i dont realy care since only a brainless person act
- like this and as i told you , i dont play a lot this
- game .
- Second your friend (the duke player) told me that if
- i play that game i will not be able to take on NYPD
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- Duh ,...he say this but he is the one who think that
- is some kick-*** WWII pilot with the "6 years fly "
- stuff and the proud champ in his sig because if not
- his sig sould be " Tired of 6 years with a stick on
- my hand thinking that i am some champ pilot"
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You actually took the time to type out the word "duh" in your argument.



WOW.





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