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JuHa-
03-09-2005, 12:14 PM
Hello,

Could some kind soul post a pointer where I could
find ballistic data on Browning .50cal and
Hispanos. Trajectories, projectile flight times
etc. are the things I'm interested in.

Thanks!

Blutarski2004
03-09-2005, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JuHa-:
Hello,

Could some kind soul post a pointer where I could
find ballistic data on Browning .50cal and
Hispanos. Trajectories, projectile flight times
etc. are the things I'm interested in.

Thanks! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Can't speak for the Hispano, but a search of the Ubi archive should turn up the following data on the M2 50cal.

> armor penetration versus range and angle of inclination for M2 AP projectile at both 2850 and 2950 f/sec MV.

> bullet drop versus range.

> dispersion values in a/c wing mount.

All data from official US documentation.

han freak solo
03-09-2005, 04:46 PM
Here's another view of basic .50 BMG ammo.

http://world.guns.ru/ammo/am03-e.htm.

The last three entries look mighty powerful.

horseback
03-09-2005, 05:32 PM
You'll get a more useful idea if you try this: record a QMB on the Crimea map, P-38 solo (P-38 mounts the Hispano 20mm and 4 M2 .50s), and fly to the nearest city, get low, and line up the sight pipper on the top of a factory chimney, and start firing your Cannon at it as you close. Note where the cannon rounds hit, and how they rise as you get closer. Circle around, line up the same chimney, and shoot at it using only the MGs this time, again noting where you see the rounds falling until they rise to level with your pipper at your convergence range.

Circle around again, line up the chimney, and fire all guns this time. The strikes for each type of gun will be recognizable to you, and you can see how they compare.

You might want to set it for No Head Shake and Unlimited Ammo for best results.

cheers

horseback

JuHa-
03-10-2005, 12:49 AM
Thanks for the answers so far, but somehow
the search gives only "empty" results ie.
0 documents found. Gotta try again later on.

I got the basic info about penetration, muzzle
energy etc. but I'm sadly lacking proper tables
about travel time, trajectory and other such
data.

This is why I'm asking it here as I was pretty
sure that this has been posted in the past http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LeadSpitter_
03-10-2005, 01:25 AM
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-pe.html

this site has very good sources

for example.

Books
1. The Complete Book of Fighters

by William Green and Gordon Swanborough
(Salamander Books, 1994, ISBN 0 86101 643 2).
An encyclopedia of "every fighter ever flown". That claim, if not completely true, is certainly very close to the truth.
2. The illustrated encyclopedia of Aircraft Armament

by Bill Gunston
(Salamander Books, 1987, ISBN 0 86101 314 X).
This book opens with a 55 page chapter on the history of aircraft armament. The rest of the book is devoted to an encyclopedia of modern aircraft-carried weaponry, including guns, bombs, rockets, missiles, dispensers, and torpedoes.
3. The Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft 1875-1995

by Bill Gunston
(Osprey Aerospace, 1995, ISBN 1 85532 405 9).
This book, an essential reference for anyone interested in Russian and Soviet aircraft, also includes four pages on the subject of aircraft armament.
4. Interceptor

by James Goulding
(Ian Allan Ltd, 1986, ISBN 0 71101 583 X).
This is a history of the design of British fighter aircraft, from WWI fighters to the English Electric Lightning. It is unusual in that it gives attention to gun installations, as a critical factor in fighter development.
5. Interceptor Fighters for the Royal Air Force 1935-45

by Michael J.F. Bowyer
(Patrick Stephens Limited, 1984, ISBN 0 85059 726 9)
This work discusses the same subject as the previous book, but in a very different format. Part two, wich is the final quarter of the book, is titled "The cannon Fighter".
6. Japanese Army Fighters (part 1 & 2)

by William Green and Gordon Swanborough
(Pilot Press).

7. US Army Air Force Fighters (part 1 & 2)

by William Green and Gordon Swanborough
(Pilot Press).

8. Soviet Air Force Fighters (part 1 & 2)

by William Green and Gordon Swanborough
(Pilot Press).

9. US Navy Fighters

by William Green and Gordon Swanborough
(Pilot Press).
These nine books belong to a series of "WW2 Aircraft Fact Files" in which every fighter is discussed in a separate chapter. The books on Japanese fighters do detail their armament, but repeat some old and unreliable information.
10. The Machine Gun

by G.M. Chinn
Apparently the five volumes published by Chinn are the best source for data on fully automatic US guns.
11. Focke-Wulf Fw 190 In Combat

by Alfred Price
(Sutton Publishing, 1998, ISBN 0 75091 634 6)
A combat history of the Fw 190, mostly devoted to the radial-engined models. The book contains a number of personal accounts by former Fw 190 pilots.
12. McDonnell F-101 Voodoo

by Robert F. Dorr
(Osprey, 1987, ISBN 0 85045 752 1)
A history of the F-101 Voodoo and its precursor, the F-88.
13. OKB MiG

by Piotr Butowski and Jay Miller
(Aerofax, 1991, ISBN 0 90459 780 6)
There are several books about the MiG bureau, and it is said that this is not the best one. But it also contains a lot of useful background information on the Soviet military and aviation industry.
14. Messerschmitt "O-Nine" Gallery

by Thomas H. Hitchcock
(Monogram, 1973, ISBN 0 91414 400 6)
Pictorial history of the Bf 109, with pictures of almost all prototypes and production models. Also includes the Me 209, Me 309, and related designs.
15. Nightfighter --- A Concise History of Nightfighting Since 1914

by Anthony Robinson
(Ian Allan Ltd., 1988, ISBN 0 71101 757 3)
The name pretty much summarizes it: This is a history of nightfighter aircraft starting from WWI, mainly from a British perspective.
16. Stuka!

by Joachim Dressel
(Arms and Armour, 1989, ISBN 0 85368 907 5)
A small photobook that illustrates the history of the Ju 87.
17. Japanese Aircraft of World War II

by Basil Collier
(Mayflower Books, 1979, ISBN 0 83175 137 1)
A small encyclopedia of Japanese WWII aircraft, with an introduction about the history of the Japanese air forces. Condensed, but useful.
18. The Spitfire Story(Revised Second Edition)

by Alfred Price
(Arms and Armour, 1995, ISBN 1 85409 305 3)
A very useful account of the development history of the Spitfire, including the text of some test and evaluation reports.
19. Supermarine Spitfire I & II

by Philip J.R. Moyes
(Aerodata International, 1977, ISBN 0 90546 925 9)
Thin booklet with a brief history of these marks of the Spitfire, with a set of drawings to 1/72 scale. Published by Aerodata.
20. North American P-51D Mustang

by Harry Holmes
(Aerodata International, 1978, ISBN 0 90546 930 5)
Similar to the preceding book.
21. The international encyclopedia of aircraft

(Aerospace Publishing, 1991, ISBN 1 87031 845 5).
Despite the odd format and the sometimes amazing omissions, this is an useful reference.
22. The Aerospace Chronology

by Michael J.H. Taylor
(Tri-Service Press, 1989, ISBN 1 85488 003 9)
A day-by-day chronology of aviation.
23. Sopwitch Camel

by J.M. Bruce
(Arms and Armour, 1989, ISBN 1 85409 030 5)
Small photobook.
24. Aerodata International: Messerschmitt 109E

by Peter G. Cooksley
(Aerodata International, 1978, ISBN 0 90546 935 6)
Similar to refs. 19 and 20.
25. F4F Wildcat -- in detail & scale

by Bert Kinzey
(Airlife, 1988, ISBN 1 85310 607 0)
Perhaps mainly intended for modellers interested in detail of the F4F, but a very interesting little book.
26. Cobra! -- Bell Aircraft Corporation 1934-1946

by Birch Matthews
(Schiffer, 1996, ISBN 0 88740 911 3).
This big volume gives a detailed and fascinating account of the piston-engined aircraft built by Bell. Highly recommended.
27. Operation Pinball

by Ivan Hickman
(Motorbooks International, 1990, ISBN 0 87938 472 7)
An account of USAF aerial gunnery training, and of the development of frangible bullets for realistic training.
28. Junkers Ju 88 in action Part 2

by Brian Filley
(Squadron/Signal, 1991, ISBN 0 89747 258 6)
This is the Squadron-Signal publication on the fighter-bomber and nightfighter versions of the Ju 88.
29. Stukas!

by Herbert Léonard
(Heimdal, 1997, ISBN 2 84048 100 6)
This very informative history of German dive bombers, written in French, discusses not only the Ju 87, but also the K.47, He 50, Hs 123, Hs 132, Ju 88, Do 217, He 210, some others, and a number of unbuilt projects.
30. Focke-Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152

by Manfred Griehl and Joachim Dressel
(Motorbuch Verlag, 1997, ISBN 3 61301 681 8)
German history of the Fw 190. It includes a lot of reference tables, and lengthy quotes from wartime reports --- including some reports about armament development.
31. Republic's P-47 Thunderbolt --- From Seversky to Victory

by Warren M. Bodie
(Widewing Publications, 1994, ISBN 0 96293 591 3)
Well-researched book on the P-47 and earlier Republic aircraft. Bodie perhaps repeats himself too often and makes errors when stepping outside this fields of research, but he does correct a lot of errors in the P-47 story.
32. Icarus in oorlog en vrede --- 1941-1953

by Andre ver Elst
(De Goudvink, 1972)
Part 2 in a series of photobooks.
33. Het Aanzien van Lucht- en Ruimtevaart

by Steven Bolt and Thijs Postma
(Het Spectrum, 1978, ISBN 9 02749 302 2).
Photobook about aviation history.
34. Boscombe Down 1939-45 -- A Most Secret Place

by Brian Johnson and Terry Hefferman
(Jane's, 1984, ISBN 0 71060 203 0).

35. Courage and Air Warfare -- The Allied Aircrew Experience in the Second World War

by Mark K. Wells
(Frank Cross, London, 1995).

36. L` Aviation Militaire Francaise

by Pierre Barjot
(J. de Gigord).
A book describing the French air force, written shortly before WWII.
37. Zero

by Robert C. Mikesh
(Motorbooks Publishing, 1994, ISBN 0 87938 915 X).
An account of the development of the Mitsubishi A6M fighter. This includes a discussion of its armament, which is rare. Alas it forgets to look at the alternatives outside the IJN and USN.
38. Evolution of American Fighter Aircraft Armament 1910-1964.

Master of Arts thesis by William H.A. Newport
(Southern Connecticut State University (1998). UMI number 1391136.)
A look at US development of fighter armament, including information about ammunition development and a lot of experimental guns.
39. Chronicle of Aviation

Edited by Mark S. Pyle, Bill Gunston and Edouard Chemel
(Chronicle Publications, 1992, ISBN 1 87203 130 7).
A work the size of a telephone guide that gives a newspaper-style overview of aviation history.
40. Testing for Combat

by Capt. Eric M. Brown
(Airlife, 1994, ISBN 1 85310 319 5).
In this book Capt. Brown gives his evaluation of 43 aircraft types with which he had short flying experiences during his career.
41. Wings of the Luftwaffe

by Capt. Eric M. Brown
(Pilot Press, 1977, ISBN 1 85310 413 2).
An evaluation by Capt. Brown of the captured German aircraft he flew.
42. Halifax Special

by Capt. Bruce Robertson
(Ian Allan Ltd., 1990, ISBN 0 71101 920 7).
Short pictorial history of the Halifax.
43. B-36 Peacemaker

by Wayne Waachsmuth
(Detail & Scale, 1997, ISBN 1 88897 405 2)
A short history of the B-36, richly illustrated and with advice for modellers.
44. Luftwaffe propaganda postcards

by James Wilson
(Airlife, 1996, ISBN 1 85310 727 1)
A collection of pictures from Luftwaffe postcards.
45. Fighter Combat in the Jet Age

by David C. Isby
(HarperCollins, 1997, ISBN 0 00470 822 9)
A compact history of jet fighter combat.
46. The Ironworks -- Grumman's Fighting Aeroplanes

by Terry C. Treadwell
(Airlife, 1990, ISBN 2 85310 070 6)
A short history of Grumman is followed by descriptions of every Grumman aircraft.

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Magazine articles
50. RAF fighter guns

by A.G. Williams
in Aeroplane Monthly of September and October 1992.
51. RAF Heavy guns

by A.G. Williams
in Aeroplane Monthly of August and September 1993.
52. Go for your gun!

by Roy Braybook
in Air International of April 1994.
53. Comment L'Helicoptere de combat naquit en France

by Philippe Boulay
in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Fevrier 1996.
54. Alphonse Tellier, constructeur d'hydro-aeroplanes

by Michel Borget
in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Juin 1996.
55. Messerschmitt 262: Derri√¬®re le mythe, le calvaire de la realit√©

by Alfred Price and Jeff Ethell
in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Octobre -- Decembre 1996.
56. Yak-9, l'ogre chasseur

by Konstantin You. Kosminkov
in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Decembre 1994 -- Janvier 1995.
57. Yak-3, un r√¬™ve de pilote

by Konstantin You. Kosminkov
in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Juin 1995.
58. Les avions de combat Japonais --- La logique d'un effondrement

Le Fana de l'Aviation, Hors Series No.3, Decembre 1995.
59. Zero - Japan's greatest fighter

by Rene Francillon
in Air International of December 1991 -- January 1992.
60. Nakajima Ki.43

in Airplane Nr.51.

61. The Vickers Fighting Biplanes

by J.M. Bruce
in Air International of September 1994.
62. Vickers COW Gun Fighter

by Philip Jarrett
in Aeroplane Monthly of July and August 1997.
63. Tempest Summer

by Roland Beamont
in Aeroplane Monthly of June, July, August, September, October, November, December 1992, and January 1993.
64. Combat Speeds

in US Naval Institute Proceedings, December 1944. Page 1545.
65. Transparent Armor

in US Naval Institute Proceedings, December 1943. Page 1645.
66. Defensive Power of the Flying Fortress

in US Naval Institute Proceedings, October 1943. Page 1392.
67. 50-caliber Machine Gun

in US Naval Institute Proceedings, March 1944. Page 364.
68. The Story of the Self-Sealing Tank

in US Naval Institute Proceedings, February 1946. Page 205.
69. Handley Page O/100 and O/400

in Airplane Nr.134, published by DeAgostini (Netherlands) BV.
70. On Silver Wings: Part 13

by Alec Lumsden

in Aeroplane Monthly, October 1991.
71. Sidestrand and Overstrand

by Philip Jarrett

in Aeroplane Monthly, November 1994 to January 1995.
72. Les Amiot 140 --- Le progres etait plus rapide

by Michel Benichou

in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Mai 1997.
73. Les Avions de Combat Américains

Le Fana de l'Aviation Hors Serie No.2
74. Triple-One Lineage

by Ken Wixey
in Air Enthusiast, July-August 1998.
75. L'Extra-Ordinaire Tupolev 95

by K.Yu. Kosminkov and M.B. Saukké
Fourth and final part of the series, in Le Fana de l'Aviation, Novembre 1997.
76. Farewell to Lims

by Gregorz L. Holdanowicz and Wojtek Matusiak
Air International, November 1993.

Blackdog5555
03-10-2005, 01:37 AM
Zenos warbirds has a good chart for the P38 with trajectory/drop and speed!

Tully__
03-10-2005, 02:00 AM
Just at the moment I wouldn't even try the search feature on these forums. It's broken again.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-10-2005, 06:22 AM
try here: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

AlmightyTallest
03-10-2005, 09:57 AM
Ballistic data and such I found can be found in the following thread, be sure to check out the links posted for .50 cal ammo types, I selected a few that may be of use to you and posted them here for easy reference.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=5671059482

Check this one out in particular:

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html


U.S. DARCOM-P-700-3-2 document in html form for .50cal ammo:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:dfy2kFD-VqsJ:www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/p700_3_2.pdf+USN+.50+caliber+Incendiary&hl=en#26

50 cal and other ammo chart here:
http://www.fortliberty.org/military-library/ballistics-chart.shtml



http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:A40_m8_PibcJ:www.pendleton.usmc.mil/base/safety/PltCmdrHdbk.pdf+.50+cal+M2+Aircraft+API+&hl=en

PDF version: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:A40_m8_PibcJ:www.pendleton.usmc.mil/base/safety/PltCmdrHdbk.pdf+.50+cal+M2+Aircraft+API+&hl=en

Browning M2 Platoon Commander's Tactical Handbook links above.


http://www.liberatorcrew.com/15_Gunnery/09_ammo.htm

Monty_Thrud
03-10-2005, 11:20 AM
Hope this helps

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//GunChart_1.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//aircraftround.jpg

AlmightyTallest
03-10-2005, 12:30 PM
After rereading the origional post, I think he's specifically looking for bullet flight times to a certain range, and the ballistic arc of the ammunition out to specific ranges and such like that.

Sorry I don't have any info like that to post. I'd be interested in seeing this info as well.

The search function seems to be down, but Blutarski has the right idea, there's some detailed info about the .50 cal that was posted awile back in the forums, but I still haven't found that info myself because of the broken search feature of the fourms. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JuHa-
03-11-2005, 01:28 AM
Almighty,

you got it, I'm after bullet flight times and
that sacred arc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not so easy to find, but
someone will have those documents.

Good general info overall, thanks for posting
those.

Going to dig deep into the pacific forum,
search or no search function.

Blackdog5555
03-11-2005, 02:55 AM
GO TO ZENOS WARBIRDS! LOOK AT P38 CON CONVERGANCE..CHART IS THERE!

JuHa-
03-11-2005, 11:18 AM
Zeno's was almost what I'm after, maybe
I can use those charts after applying a little
math to them. Best find so far.

JuHa-
03-11-2005, 01:28 PM
Ha! Paydirt:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jayboyer/50traj.htm

Found from the old discussions on ORR,
posted by clint-ruin on Mon March 22 2004 12:51
But was linked from a monster thread on PF...

Thanks for all those who helped!

Blackdog5555
03-12-2005, 01:46 AM
cool...you can read that?