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Sjeler
04-05-2007, 01:03 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3323241f14

Got the same feeling as someone was on my six :s

Sjeler
04-05-2007, 01:03 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3323241f14

Got the same feeling as someone was on my six :s

Feathered_IV
04-05-2007, 01:14 AM
Blimey http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Oleg should listen to that and then take a good hard look at the way he produces the next generation of speech packs.

NAFP_supah
04-05-2007, 05:46 AM
The United States Army Airforce ceased to exist shortly after ww2. The United States Airforce has been a independant service ever since http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DmdSeeker
04-05-2007, 06:14 AM
Strong stuff!

BSS_Goat
04-05-2007, 07:04 AM
Makes our "game" seem kinda childish....

stalkervision
04-05-2007, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
Makes our "game" seem kinda childish.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well do you know the germans actually were developing "sams" at the end of the war? They should be modeled for Il-2 1946! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hay that would be an excellent "add-on" patch..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/oddpics/WSF.jpg


Wasserfall (Waterfall) was a radio-controlled, supersonic guided missile for anti-aircraft purpose. It was designed to meet the demand for a missile to intercept hostile aircraft and to fly at 19,812m at 880km/h with ranges up to 48km. This specification was highly advanced for the 1940s and was not achieved by any major combat aircraft in the war. The intention was to position batteries of these missiles to defend population centers; about 200 batteries would be needed to cover Germany.

Work and research were started at the Peenemünde Research Station in 1942, and the design borrowed many concepts from the A-4 missile. The first launching tests took place across the Baltic in February 1944, and an altitude of 7,010m was reached by the rocket. Seven more prototypes were made and fired by July 1944. Research and development were terminated in February 1945. Some sources suggest that several of the trial missiles were actually deployed against Allied aircraft, but there is no evidence to support this claim.

The missile weighed 3,545 kg at takeoff, and contained a 306kg warhead of high explosive armed with a proximity fuze. Wasserfall would have been a powerful and fearsome addition to Germany's air defenses if only more were produced on time.

Haigotron
04-05-2007, 09:56 AM
Yea, I think it was available in battlefield 1942's second expansion: secret Weapons...it was cool to fly it, but obviously far from reality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the video, really intense, you could really feel the tension, and those smoke streaks were those left by the missiles or the chaff/flare?

Xiolablu3
04-05-2007, 10:42 AM
Scarey stuff, did one of them get hit?

I heard 2 of them yelling about 1/3 of the way through, 'someones been hit, someones been hit'

HArd to make out some of the chatter.

WWSensei
04-05-2007, 11:14 AM
I can't see the video from work but I'm guessing that it is of the infamous "Package Q" Viper strike package. Not only did Stroke 3 dodge 5 or 6 SAMs he did it without any counter measures because his chaff and flares had become jammed.

One of them had been shot down (Stroke 4 I think). They lost one other that day as well with both pilots becoming POWs until the end of the conflict.

Not bad maneuvering for the old Block 30...

WWSpinDry
04-05-2007, 11:24 AM
Here's a fun little war story from a Block 50 driver over Belgrade. Not quite as hairy as the above experience, but there was some SAM dancing involved. I enjoyed the confirmation that yes, Virginia, even the best can lose contact with their flight leads after they've done some crazy dancing.

http://www.f16viper.org/waldman.htm

Sjeler
04-05-2007, 05:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSpinDry:
Here's a fun little war story from a Block 50 driver over Belgrade. Not quite as hairy as the above experience, but there was some SAM dancing involved. I enjoyed the confirmation that yes, Virginia, even the best can lose contact with their flight leads after they've done some crazy dancing.

http://www.f16viper.org/waldman.htm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That guys stationed in Aviano almost killed me when one of them cut cable of cable car gondola, 5 minutes after my father and I took of from gondola. 30+ people were killed... Couple of days earlier, they were amusing people on that ski hill, pulling stunts and whatnot. It was inevitable

horseback
04-05-2007, 07:02 PM
Sjeler, I thought that it was a Navy A-6 that took out the cable car; the Air Force guys who operate in that area would (or at least SHOULD)have had the cable car marked on their maps in a bright day-glo red...the A-6 driver would have been a visiter, and unfamiliar with the area.

cheers

horseback

Sjeler
04-05-2007, 08:49 PM
I don't know what were they.. Cable car was running across the big valley, at great height. They were stationed in Aviano since I remember seeing that on Italian tv and later in newspapers. I'm sure they weren't allowed to fly that low anyway. Of course, valley looks tempting for such exhibitions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BillyTheKid_22
04-05-2007, 09:03 PM
http://www.defense-update.com/images/f-16-60-cockpit-large.jpg



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
04-05-2007, 09:13 PM
Sort of hard to see but you can see either a trail from a missile or allot of smoke trails from flares. Pretty incredible...high stress situation.

GreyKnight1971
04-06-2007, 05:11 AM
WOW! I was going to ask how many SAMs did that guy dodge in the end, but WWSensei mentioned it already.

I guess the Iraqi SAM controller must of started sweating when his SAMs were running out and kept missing.

stalkervision
04-06-2007, 05:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Haigotron:
Yea, I think it was available in battlefield 1942's second expansion: secret Weapons...it was cool to fly it, but obviously far from reality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the video, really intense, you could really feel the tension, and those smoke streaks were those left by the missiles or the chaff/flare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The battlefield version wasn't anything like the real missile.

stalkervision
04-06-2007, 05:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Haigotron:
Yea, I think it was available in battlefield 1942's second expansion: secret Weapons...it was cool to fly it, but obviously far from reality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the video, really intense, you could really feel the tension, and those smoke streaks were those left by the missiles or the chaff/flare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The battlefield version wasn't anything like the real missile. All one has to do to experiance a life like situation with sams is get Falcon 4.0. Believe me it is very realistic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That is why I prefer to fly il-2 1946! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-06-2007, 07:04 AM
Intense, serious stuff there.

BSS_Goat
04-06-2007, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
All one has to do to experiance a life like situation with sams is get Falcon 4.0. Believe me it is very realistic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif You really said that?? You can hit refly, these dudes are DEAD if they F up.

alert_1
04-06-2007, 07:18 AM
SAMs are deadly but not as much as lot of pls think. In war beetwen Arab coalition/Izrael in October 1973 were shot down 115 IAF aircraft, but only 30 of them with SAM (SA2, SA6 mainly). Rest was shotdown mainly with ZSU 23/4. More then 3000 SAMs were fired (including MANPADS)= 100 SAMs for ONE kill...

WWSpinDry
04-06-2007, 07:28 AM
You have an excellent point there; also, though, the SAM technology has improved dramatically since 1973. Countermeasures have improved, too, but in general they are more lethal these days--especially the tactical ones.

EctoGamma
04-06-2007, 08:01 AM
Kinda in the same vein......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMUwCQCa12I

WWSensei
04-06-2007, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Haigotron:
Yea, I think it was available in battlefield 1942's second expansion: secret Weapons...it was cool to fly it, but obviously far from reality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the video, really intense, you could really feel the tension, and those smoke streaks were those left by the missiles or the chaff/flare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The battlefield version wasn't anything like the real missile. All one has to do to experiance a life like situation with sams is get Falcon 4.0. Believe me it is very realistic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That is why I prefer to fly il-2 1946! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As someone who has flown a Viper and dodged a SAM and flown Falcon 4.0 let me say this. Falcon 4.0--nor any game for that manner--is even in the same universe of reality much less "realistic". Playing Falcon 4.0 is NOTHING like the real thing. Not even close. Is it a good game? Yes. Can it be fun. Yes. However, if you think it even gives you one iota of the feeling you get when you realize someone is actively trying to kill you then you have really no clue.

Want to get an inkling? Put on a blindfold and run across a busy highway every 30 seconds for about 8 hours. You *might* get a feeling similar to the real thing then.

Waldo.Pepper
04-06-2007, 01:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EctoGamma:
Kinda in the same vein......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMUwCQCa12I </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sadly this F-15 collision video is a fake. See here.

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/military_videos.htm

F-15 Mid-Air Collision Amazing video of a mid-air collision during high-speed air combat maneuvering -- taken from INSIDE one of the planes!

Amazingly, this video is a partial fake. Here are the comments of the pilot of the aircraft involved in this collision:

"(Technical Advisor) Tony Clay suggested I send this to you to correct a gross mistake in the video that is on your website concerning the 'F-15 Mid-air'. It is nothing of the sort."

"This copy is an altered version of the original, I know because it came from MY aircraft and I was the one who bailed out. It was a mid-air, true, but my aircraft was an F-16A and the other aircraft which impacted me was a Marine F-4."

"The collision took place over the Yellow Sea off the West coast of South Korea on December 15, 1982. The apparent impact aircraft in the video currently on your website has been digitally superimposed into the original footage. The original footage is attached as a wmv file (See it, below) of less than good quality, but if you would desire a better copy, I may be able to burn a DVD of it. Please let me know, and for goodness sakes, correct the description on your website if possible."

- Daryl Hower/aka Smilin'Jack

LtCol (ret), USAF

stalkervision
04-06-2007, 03:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWSensei:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Haigotron:
Yea, I think it was available in battlefield 1942's second expansion: secret Weapons...it was cool to fly it, but obviously far from reality http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the video, really intense, you could really feel the tension, and those smoke streaks were those left by the missiles or the chaff/flare? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The battlefield version wasn't anything like the real missile. All one has to do to experiance a life like situation with sams is get Falcon 4.0. Believe me it is very realistic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That is why I prefer to fly il-2 1946! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As someone who has flown a Viper and dodged a SAM and flown Falcon 4.0 let me say this. Falcon 4.0--nor any game for that manner--is even in the same universe of reality much less "realistic". Playing Falcon 4.0 is NOTHING like the real thing. Not even close. Is it a good game? Yes. Can it be fun. Yes. However, if you think it even gives you one iota of the feeling you get when you realize someone is actively trying to kill you then you have really no clue.

Want to get an inkling? Put on a blindfold and run across a busy highway every 30 seconds for about 8 hours. You *might* get a feeling similar to the real thing then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I am sure this is absolutely true but it is also true that I never want to experiance "the real thing" either. I will leave that one "pleasure" up to you.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I never planned to become a professional skeet target for a living and I don't plan to now.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Just wondering falcon 4.o isn't even "in the same universe" as real life even though though the manual was written by a f-16 pilot and even though the ecm equiptment is similair to real life? So if I walk across a busy street blinded folded I "might" get a similar experiance huh? I don't believe flying a jet blindfolded is the best way to dodge a sam or even fly a jet. Is that how you fly "blindfolded" I doubt it. Otherwise how could you have "dodged that sam..." If falcon 4.0 is so "unrealstic" why even bother to play it even? It must be a drag...

Viper pilot huh? what airforce..?