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Redwulf_34
10-21-2004, 02:44 PM
I am thinking about my next upgrade being to an ATI graphics card. I don't know much about them. I am currently using a GForce TI4400 128 MB.

I know I wont be able to afford the newest in the ATI. What would be the best bang for the buck in ATI that would be an upgrade from what I have.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-21-2004, 02:58 PM
How much you willing to spend?

Otago
10-21-2004, 03:10 PM
Gecube 9800pro 128mb flash with there xt bios and you have got a 9800xt and the overdrive in the works in the ati control panel but sure you get some decent coolling for the card if you flash it
and you lose your warranty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crazyivan1970
10-21-2004, 03:15 PM
9800 PRO 256MB Could be found as low as 240 bucks.

Redwulf_34
10-22-2004, 06:59 AM
Not sure how much I will be willing to spend. $240 may be on the high end. But I havent started looking around so I don't know how far my money will go. I want to try and make it go as far as it can. I definately will want a 256 MB card. I dont feel like I will be going up if I stay at 128.

What are the extremes. What is the BEST ATI and how much is it going for right now?

I have heard good things about the 9800 Crazyivan mentions. Is that a good bang for the buck at $240? It surely an upgrade from where I am now.

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2004, 07:15 AM
Best ATI would have to be the X800XT and they run around the $450-$500 range. You can get a 12 pipeline X800Pro for considerably less that is still much faster than a 9800pro but is still a high-end card that carries a late gen price tag.

TB

keithb77
10-22-2004, 07:21 AM
Beware many 256MB cards use slower memory, and programs rarely use more than 128 MB of graphics memory anyway.

There is a good set of benchmarks at www.xbitlabs.com, (http://www.xbitlabs.com,) look for 'Fastest Graphics Cards Summer 2004', there are 4 pages of IL-2 results.

I was tempted by a 9800Pro till I read the benchmarks - its little better than my 9600XT for Il-2.
A Geforce 6800 costs a little more but is much better in IL2....but it wont fit my motherboard!

Cheers,
Keith

sunflower1
10-22-2004, 01:21 PM
I happened to have been running both a 4 pixel 9600pro and then the 8 pixel 9800pro. There isn't any comparison with the processor I've got- a 2.8e: the 9800 can run perfect offline if you crank the aa/af down to 2x.

I have a hard time imagining the faster clock and memory speeds in the 9600XT put it on a par with any 8 pipe card.

Quazi may pipe up here, for sure he'll say look on Ebay. The extra RAM, from 128 to 256, really comes into play at higher resolutions. My 128mb 9800pro works pretty well at 10x7 but starts to struggle above that. Many people play at 10x7 because the little grey dots are easier to see.

Be sure its a 256 bit card. Nothing that says "SE."

JG52Uther
10-22-2004, 01:52 PM
I run a 98 pro at 4xaa and 4xaf perfect online at good framerates on a P4 2.7 with 1 gig of ram.For the money its the best way to go IMHO.Just make sure you have the latest drivers .

Redwulf_34
10-22-2004, 02:24 PM
I need to learn more about the tech side of graphic cards. I don't know how to tweak. I have no clue what the last two post said!

Perhaps I can get more out of my TI4400 if I knew what to do. I just update the drivers and go on.

I set IL2 for medium settings and thats it. Currently I'm running an Athalon 1.2GHz machine. Upgrading that in about 2 weeks to an XP2200+. Maybe my CPU right now is the weak joint and not my card.

robindeeyk
10-22-2004, 06:13 PM
try a g-force 6600 GT .........200 its cost ya

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1643479,00.asp?kc=ETRSS03039TX1K0000564

DJKruse
10-22-2004, 07:02 PM
You can get a 12 pipe X800 Pro VIVO flash it to an XT and get 16 pipes. Basically you get a $500-600 for about $400.

Bearcat99
10-22-2004, 09:19 PM
What kind of CPU and MOBO do you have?

Hiriyu
10-22-2004, 09:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redwulf_34:
...Perhaps I can get more out of my TI4400 if I knew what to do. I just update the drivers and go on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, not really. The Ti4400 is great for what it is, a Direct-X 7/8 capable card. There's truly nothing to be done for it considering that current games are written primarily for DX9. Speed is not the main issue, features and instructions are.

Being that you say you're on a budget, I'd second what others have said and suggest you pick up a 9800Pro - currently the best 'bang for the buck' on the budget gaming market.

Beware though, there are a few makes and models to stay away from (pay special attention to this if buying via Ebay or Pricewatch or whatever):

The 9800Pros come in 128MB and 256MB varieties. Make sure that, whichever memory size you get, you get a card with "256-Bit Architecture". There are cards on the market, most notably by Sapphire, that are advertised as "Pros" yet have a nominally unspecified 128-bit memory bandwidth, usually using lower cost/lower quality memory to boot. These cards are generally priced sub $200, so beware that screaming deal you think you just found http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I set IL2 for medium settings and thats it. Currently I'm running an Athalon 1.2GHz machine. Upgrading that in about 2 weeks to an XP2200+. Maybe my CPU right now is the weak joint and not my card. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm, maybe a little from column 'A', and a little from column 'B'. You'll see hardy benefits from upgrades in both areas I'd imagine, plus some more if you upgrade system memory at the same time - I don't recall seeing your memory specs listed here anywhere.

Anyway, Good Luck!

Redwulf_34
10-23-2004, 04:35 PM
Thanks, A lot of good input here. I have even learned a bit! I have a program called Belarc Advisor. It lists all the stuff on the comp. Here is what I have.

Operating System System Model
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (build 2600)

MSI MS-6380E 1.0
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
1.25 gigahertz AMD Athlon XP
128 kilobyte primary memory cache
256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: MSI MS-6380E 1.0
Bus Clock: 100 megahertz
BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T 04/02/01
Drives Memory Modules c,d
81.95 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
73.76 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

HL-DT-ST CD-ROM GCR-8521B
SAF CD-RW2224 [CD-ROM drive]
3.5" format removeable media [Floppy drive]

Maxtor 6Y080L0 [Hard drive] (81.96 GB) -- drive 0, s/n Y25F1DFE, rev YAR41BW0, SMART Status: Healthy 1024 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot '0' has 512 MB
Slot '1' has 256 MB
Slot '2' has 256 MB
Local Drive Volumes

c: (on drive 0) 81.95 GB 73.76 GB free

pourshot
10-23-2004, 05:10 PM
I dont want to sound like I'am putting down your pc but your cpu will not benefit from a card any faster than the 9800pro and for the $ it's a good deal most have little problem being clocked to XT speeds.(I am very happy with my 9800pro)

And as someone else pointed out <span class="ev_code_RED">BEWARE</span> the cheap 9800pro's they are only 128Bit and MUCH slower.

edit; I should add that the 9800pro will scale well with your CPU upgrade imho it will be good match.(I should read the whole thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

FI_Willie
10-23-2004, 09:50 PM
ATI's website has some good prices for 128 9800 pro cards. You can trade ANY old grphics card and get a 50 buck rebate. First time buyers also get a 10% discount of the final price.

I ended paying around 150 bucks delivered for a 9800pro. Shipping was free but they did charge state sales tax. I think it has the late model stuff in it if you want to flash it.

I sent them an OLD 8bit vid card that I had. One like it was on Ebay for a buck and had no bids.. LMAO They gave me my 50 buck trade in allowance.

LuckyBoy1
10-23-2004, 09:59 PM
I'm with those who say you'd really need to attend to the CPU. You really need a CPU with 512 of cache to push a 9800 along well, but again, you are posting this question in the general forum, which makes me wonder if you want advice or external validation of your belief system.

Simjock
10-23-2004, 10:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
9800 PRO 256MB Could be found as low as 240 bucks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to agree with Ivan this time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I'm no expert on the issue, but my personel expieriance, and spending way to much money trying to find the right v-card, is that ATI is hands down the best producer of both hardware, and driver software for Video.

ATI has some top of the line cards fro around $600.00 that will give you a screaming frame rate, but the ATI Radeon 9800pro 256 is a good value at around $240.00. It will give you fps arouond 40 on a 2ghz system.

I use the 9800pro 128 and it's been %100 reliable for over a year now. The new CAT 4.10 drivers are really somthing too. It gave me a %20 increase in performance with just the drivers alone!

NVidia is way over rated. Their like over priced car insurance; they spend more money on Advertiseing then on the actual product.

I suppose the Gforce guys will flame me now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

LuckyBoy1
10-23-2004, 10:46 PM
Actually, now with the 16 pixel pipeline cards, it is a neck and neck race between ATI and nVidia. I agree that the 9800 beats anything less than the very latest from nVidia, but I don't look at it in fanboy terms. nVidia was ahead for a minute, then ATI... next week?

My attitude is get the card that's right for your rig and who cares if it is ATI or nVidia!