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majnos64
10-14-2006, 01:54 AM
I tried to set realistic sensitivity of joystick and I have to say its nearly impossible for me. I ve got joystick logitech extreme 3d pro which is very precise. But especially in Il-2 series it has one huge problem. You can have precision which is realistic but you dont have agility for dogfighting online. So you can snipe people on large distances do deflection shooting but no sharp turns. On the other hand is a possibility to do sharp maneuvres, it's really difficult to shoot you down but no more sniping on distances larger than 200m. I use the second way online but I dont like it its unrealistic. Maybe someone who read this has some tips how to set precise and agile joystick.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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CAF96th_Sillyak
10-14-2006, 02:02 AM
captain eric brown has joystick settings which he says give you a idea of how these aircraft actually flew. do a forum search and you should find these.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
10-14-2006, 02:26 AM
If you want to have the ability for both precision control, and large manuevers, you have to use a curve with small numbers at the beginning, and larger ones at the end.

I use this for my pitch and roll values. Most people use a similar curve, some more steep and some more shallow.

1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100

Eric Brown's numbers will surely get you precision, by knocking a bunch off your total authority.

Without a real stick size and realistic forces (force feedback is not the case), flights sims will not have a realistic stick control.

leitmotiv
10-14-2006, 02:28 AM
You will find when you have switched to the Brown settings you have excellent control, but your virtual mount maneuvers sluggishly. Brown and others argue, and I agree, that the agility necessary for online play is unrealitic, and, in fact, resembles the ease of control you have with power-boosted controls in modern aircraft. I do not play online so the loss of this fluid type of control doesn't matter to me. Good luck!

leitmotiv
10-14-2006, 02:33 AM
Also, I use a Microsoft Sidewinder 2 force feedback stick which is like arm wrestling with a bear---very very realistic control forces.

HuninMunin
10-14-2006, 02:54 AM
I'm looking forward to the new input processing we will get with the addons.
If Olegs keeps his promise it will make the difference between the long, real sticks and out sticks feel marginal.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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majnos64
10-14-2006, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
If you want to have the ability for both precision control, and large manuevers, you have to use a curve with small numbers at the beginning, and larger ones at the end.

I use this for my pitch and roll values. Most people use a similar curve, some more steep and some more shallow.

1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100

Eric Brown's numbers will surely get you precision, by knocking a bunch off your total authority.

Without a real stick size and realistic forces (force feedback is not the case), flights sims will not have a realistic stick control.


Yeah, I use similar curve. And I know Eric Brown's curve. But non of these settings are realistic. The best would be to have some inflight switch of joystick settings. As modern fighters do something like Flight / Dogfight settings.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadRuski
10-14-2006, 03:11 AM
1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100



how can i set the numbers to my joystick, i have a Cyborg Evo<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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what if i have a shower tomorrow, i step on a bar of soap, then BAM!! a plane crashes on the house!

HuninMunin
10-14-2006, 07:00 AM
In the game options; there are exactly these input numbers for any axis you use.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
10-14-2006, 07:40 AM
Use this utility to play around with your settings. Joy To Key (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7201003584?r=3171054584#3171054584). It also works with other slider axii as well, like pitch and trim.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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msalama
10-14-2006, 01:13 PM
This is my JS config:

P 5 15 25 35 45 55 65 75 87 100
R 5 15 25 35 45 55 65 75 87 100
Y 5 15 25 35 45 55 65 75 87 100
T 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100

Works brilliantly. I'm using a M$ Sidewinder stick ATM.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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majnos64
10-14-2006, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Use this utility to play around with your settings. Joy To Key (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7201003584?r=3171054584#3171054584). It also works with other slider axii as well, like pitch and trim.

thats cool utility thank you<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
10-14-2006, 03:07 PM
How do people find Eric Brown's settings? Does anyone think they are at all realistic? Has anyone checked a plane's flight performance with Brown's settings to see how far they are off?

Last time I tried them, planes flew as before (i.e. everything you could do before was possible) but the controls were slugged noticably.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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majnos64
10-15-2006, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
How do people find Eric Brown's settings? Does anyone think they are at all realistic? Has anyone checked a plane's flight performance with Brown's settings to see how far they are off?

Last time I tried them, planes flew as before (i.e. everything you could do before was possible) but the controls were slugged noticably.

It is slugish but smooth to control I think Eric Brown tried to say, it behaved smooth like my controls. Obviously you dont have size and ranges of big stick in ww2 aircraft.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F6_Ace
10-15-2006, 05:31 AM
Yes, I can agree with that.

The reason why I asked is that some other fliers have said that Brown's settings do not permit you to fly the aircraft in the game properly at all. It's seemingly "impossible to maintain the nose above the horizon" and the roll times "are way off."

Have you found this to be the case?

I've tried the settings in the past and found no real problem with flying except that the controls were slugged. Possibly Brown's setting don't work with the current post 4.02 (whatever) FM?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
10-15-2006, 10:26 AM
It's not unusual to se people doing unrealistic moves online, because most seemingly have too sensitive settings, perhaps to get the competing edge.
In some planes that doesn't matter so much but in others it's possible to roll and flip, push pull in an unnatural speed and continuity that would almost kill a real human.


Personally i prefer unsensitive settings, wich make movements slower but more precise.
I still can make flick rolls though.
Rudder slowed down a bit gives very good aiming control but I must use brakes to be able to turn well on ground.
This means I turn and roll a bit slower, but my aim on ranges beyond 300-400m is better because I wont twitch as much as people with very sensitive settings.

Do as u feel is best.
I have gone back momentarily to more sensitive settings a few times, in weak moments when I've gotten shot down online, and in those moments thought it was because of my plane, but I like the feeling and aiming capability of the slower moving ride, so I always go back to that.


well, what I think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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majnos64
10-15-2006, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by F6_Ace:
Yes, I can agree with that.

The reason why I asked is that some other fliers have said that Brown's settings do not permit you to fly the aircraft in the game properly at all. It's seemingly "impossible to maintain the nose above the horizon" and the roll times "are way off."

Have you found this to be the case?

I've tried the settings in the past and found no real problem with flying except that the controls were slugged. Possibly Brown's setting don't work with the current post 4.02 (whatever) FM?

I flew with Brown's settings its effective against AI because you just hit them in every evasion but its not good for tight online dogfighting its unrealistic in tight maneuvring - you just cannot do 360 in 20+- seconds<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
10-16-2006, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
You will find when you have switched to the Brown settings you have excellent control, but your virtual mount maneuvers sluggishly. Brown and others argue, and I agree, that the agility necessary for online play is unrealitic, and, in fact, resembles the ease of control you have with power-boosted controls in modern aircraft. I do not play online so the loss of this fluid type of control doesn't matter to me. Good luck!

I use controls similar to Eric Browns online and don't do at all badly. My aileron and rudder is increased over his but not by much.

One thing that these controls help with is speed. Since you cannot make sharpe OTT manouvers at any point your always going fast. Even a Spitfire feels fast with these settings, and you never black out or loose a wing. Just takes some getting used to as dives can become uncontrollable at high speeds and turning and rolling at high speed is limited.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Cheers!!

WWMaxGunz
10-16-2006, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by majnos64:
I tried to set realistic sensitivity of joystick and I have to say its nearly impossible for me. I ve got joystick logitech extreme 3d pro which is very precise. But especially in Il-2 series it has one huge problem. You can have precision which is realistic but you dont have agility for dogfighting online. So you can snipe people on large distances do deflection shooting but no sharp turns. On the other hand is a possibility to do sharp maneuvres, it's really difficult to shoot you down but no more sniping on distances larger than 200m. I use the second way online but I dont like it its unrealistic. Maybe someone who read this has some tips how to set precise and agile joystick.

Set up something tight but not too tight. Starting from right slider going left, subtract
maybe 8 each next slider like 28, 36, 44, 52, 60, 68, 76, 84, 92, 100. But then go over to
Filter and throw that up near the middle and then use steady-controlled stick moves only,
no stick jerking and see if you like what you got.

Oh BTW I threw out my old Logi 3D pro because it wore out in less than 3 years. I caught
20% off Saitek and made that step up and the extra money is worth it. I get pedals, I can
lock the twist off. The throw and feel is that much better.

Therion_Prime
10-16-2006, 08:20 AM
My settings for pitch and roll: 60 70 80 90 100 100 100 ....
Joystick: X52