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ROSS_Youss
03-27-2006, 05:43 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/16540192/il2c_v3.exe.html

what is il2compare and how it work you can read here:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=39318

sorry for my bad English.
may be Crazy Ivan can to translete my post at Sukhoi to English. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Q: Which version of IL2Compare is it?
A: This version uses calculations based on the IL2 Engine version 4.05m.

Q: How those graphs were generated?
ž: With use of program based on how AI controls the plane parameters are being written to the log and analized for creating of those graphs.

Q: How accurate is the output of IL2Compare?
ž: All information is generated using IL2 engine, so it is accurate. Other thing that graphs are not really optimized for given plane type, but that is caused by big airplane selection in this game and creating a program that is ideal for all type of planes is impossible.


more to come http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif A litte busy at work here hehe

Ironman69
03-27-2006, 05:58 AM
NICE! thanx \m/ \m/

JG53Frankyboy
03-27-2006, 06:15 AM
very nice work, my compliments !

Ironman69
03-27-2006, 07:08 AM
Did I read translation right that IL2 compare v3 is based off of 4.05m ??

Bartolomeo_ita
03-27-2006, 07:32 AM
downloading, i prefer hardball ... whatever, let me try.

MOH_NoXiuS
03-27-2006, 07:46 AM
I'm soooooooooooo happy that you released this new version Youss, thank you for sharing, this thingie is DA BOMB ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

anarchy52
03-27-2006, 08:03 AM
If the data is anywhere near what performance will be for flyables, especially turn times:

Welcome to Crimson Skies II

I'd really like to know what parameters besides country of origin are they using to come up with these nonsense turn rates.

JtD
03-27-2006, 08:14 AM
GREAT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

THANKS A LOT!

I love your disclaimer, but it appears some folks just don't get it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kuervito
03-27-2006, 08:17 AM
First of all Thx youss


Originally posted by anarchy52:
If the data is anywhere near what performance will be for flyables, especially turn times:

Welcome to Crimson Skies II

I'd really like to know what parameters besides country of origin are they using to come up with these nonsense turn rates.

As far as I can understand the turn times are indicating the "initial turn" . . .

GregSM
03-27-2006, 08:21 AM
Thank you very much, Ross_Youss.

Your program is of great value.


Cheers,


Greg

JtD
03-27-2006, 08:26 AM
No, they are supposed to be sustained turn. I get pretty close to some of them in game.

noace
03-27-2006, 08:45 AM
Thanks a lot for releasing the program ross_youss and also thanks to oleg for finally allowing it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Willey
03-27-2006, 09:28 AM
I don't know what to say else than this bunch of smilies:

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Thanks a lot!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Tipo_Man
03-27-2006, 10:01 AM
Just a simple question..
Is this the performance we WILL get in 4.05, or we have it already now with 4.04?

Otherwise, very interesting data...

thanx

JtD
03-27-2006, 10:10 AM
Neither nor. It is performance that is often pretty close to both 4.04 and 4.05 but sometimes quite different.

DaimonSyrius
03-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Thank you ROSS_Youss, for your work in IL2-Compare and for kindly making it available to all of us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers,
S.

crazyivan1970
03-27-2006, 10:41 AM
Great work Youss, now people get off my back LOL.

С¿?с¸бо.

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To ALL, Please Use IL2Compare wisely, i am sure you know what i mean.

CMHQ_Rikimaru
03-27-2006, 10:59 AM
I have a question, what "Fun Plot" is?

JG53Harti
03-27-2006, 11:01 AM
Oh thanks Youss nice work !!


but http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif to bad that we haven`t all what we could see in the screenshot long time before ?

pls look at the SC still missing the loadout ! Is it forbidden to show it ?

http://harti.equitatura.de/Bilder/comp.gif

jurinko
03-27-2006, 12:38 PM
thanks for tis great tool.

ivankuturkokoff
03-27-2006, 02:41 PM
Youry actually means "Fan" plot another name for the "Dog House" or Turn comparison diagram.

Fantastic work thank you Youry


http://www.users.on.net/~ttail/faninterp.jpg

Grunherzjager
03-27-2006, 02:53 PM
Thank you so much Youss & Oleg, this is a fantastic tool, so useful for people that know how to use it.

PF_Coastie
03-27-2006, 03:25 PM
Why No Spit IXe?

VF-1_vaKer0
03-27-2006, 03:48 PM
Thank you very much Youss, gimme your address and i ll send you a bottle of brazilian cachaça! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers

Tooz_69GIAP
03-27-2006, 07:15 PM
Looking through the aircraft, I notice a few interesting additions:

A5M4
B6N2
BI-6
I-250
IL-10
Ki-21-I
Ki-21-II
Ki-27

Are all of these aircraft going to be in version 4.05m?? I assume this is what's coming in the Pe-2 "Peshka" add-on?

Of course, there's no indication in the program which are flyable and which are AI. Based on information garnered from those involved in the add-ons and development, I can make guesses as to which will be flyable, and which wont, but it will be very interesting indeed to see which of these actually are going to come in the next version!

But I am quite intrigued with the I-250. Here is what wikipedia has to say about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_I-250_(N)

"In order to counter the introduction of German turbojet-powered aircraft such as the Me-262, the Soviet Union in 1944 began a crash program to develop a high-performance fighter which resulted in the Mikoyan-Gurevich I-250 (N).

Although the aircraft was largely conventional in layout, it featured a novel propulsion system which consisted of a Klimov VK-107R V-12 piston engine (mounted conventionally and driving a tractor propeller) which was connected, via an extension shaft, to a compressor with seven fuel burners. This produced a propulsive jet which was directed, and accelerated, through a variable rear nozzle (compare thermojet). This mixed powerplant configuration enabled the I-250 to reach a maximum speed of 513 mph (825 km/h), but for no more than 10 minutes. Without the jet engine working, maximum speed was 421 mph (677 km/h). The plane was named I-250 (for istrebitel - fighter), it also bore factory code designation: aircraft N.

The first prototype was flown on March 3, 1945. On July 5, 1945 it crashed due to tail damage, killing its test pilot, Alexander Deyev. Tests continued on the second prototype. At the same time, the first batch of 50 aircraft were ordered. However, the aircraft development met with numerous problems, and it was not ready to pass state evaluation. In the meantime, Soviet designers constructed the first real jet fighters, MiG-9 and Yak-15, which made the I-250 obsolete. Therefore, in early 1947 the VVS cancelled its further development. It was decided to pass the completed planes to the Naval Aviation, but the aircraft did not pass state evaluation, which ended in April 1948.

According to older sources, 50 aircraft were built from late 1945, and served with the Baltic Fleet and some Northern fighter units until 1950 under the designation MiG-13. However, new Russian sources claim, that the number of completed planes was lower - possibly only 10-20, and there is no evidence of their service, nor of MiG-13 designation, which might have been an intended name for serial aircraft."

The picture looks like a MiG-3 on steroids, or something!

And the BI-6 will be very interesting!! Basically a BI-1 with ramjets on the wingtips, I believe.

FltLt_HardBall
03-27-2006, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Bartolomeo_ita:
downloading, i prefer hardball ... whatever, let me try.

Much of my data is from IL2 Compare. My program takes a snapshot of the relevant data (i.e best turn time) whereas IL2 Compare will show you ALL data at all speeds and altitudes. Useful, but possibly information overload for most users. My program provides a quick, relevant summary.

Kudos to Ross Youss for his hard work, and to Oleg for giving the green light.

Please folks, no whining to Oleg about how the game "doesn't match IL-2 Compare". Oleg will pull the plug on future updates if anyone uses it as 'evidence' to complain.

I know it's hard for some of you, but let's try to be adult, huh?

HelSqnProtos
03-27-2006, 10:39 PM
S~!



Exactly HardBall

Gentlemen be happy - Don't make waves !!!

ROSS_Youss
03-27-2006, 10:51 PM
С¿?с¸бо.

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http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost.php?p=723633&postcount=101

crazyivan1970
03-27-2006, 10:55 PM
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MatoKKK
03-28-2006, 01:42 AM
I-250 = Mig-13

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gatt59
03-28-2006, 01:43 AM
Good job!

Weird, some a/c have correct t/o weight like the K-4, some show the empty weight as t/o weight, like the C.205. Moreover is the max speed at altitude of the C.205 ... 660mph?

EFG_beber
03-28-2006, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Gatt59:
Moreover is the max speed at altitude of the C.205 ... 660mph? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Km/h



Tanks Youss

Gatt59
03-28-2006, 02:37 AM
Sorry, I meant Km/h. The question is still there.

Antoninus
03-28-2006, 02:49 AM
THanks that this is available again!

Hoarmurath
03-28-2006, 02:54 AM
Thx Youri, It is really nice to have an updated version.

No problem gatt, just open the txt file for that plane in the il2compare dataspeed folder, and change it to a value you consider accurate... et voila, problem solved!

JG53Frankyboy
03-28-2006, 03:06 AM
as long you cant reach the compare speeds flying the specific plane by yourself you shouldnt whine about it.
read HardBalls post...........

this programm is giving you a general overview to compare planes.
but you realy should fly them for yourself before any "Bug" report to maddox games !

p.s.: squadron signal has the Mc205 with 404mph (~650km/h) at ~22000ft in its book.
for me the chartbreaker is the P-39D(-2) , even faster than a Q-10.
BOTH not tested manually in game so far !

ROSS_Youss
03-28-2006, 03:37 AM
for me the chartbreaker is the P-39D(-2) , even faster than a Q-10.
BOTH not tested manually in game so far !

us i know D2 was tested in USA with 100-octane fuel.

Gatt59
03-28-2006, 03:45 AM
Boy, it was not a whine at all. Just the opposite. The max speed you are referring to is the one achieved with an official test using 1.3ata and 2.600rpm.

The C.205 max speed IL-2c shows is probably what the C.205 could get if pushed at 1.4ata and 2.800rpm (cleared by Daimler-Benz after summer 1943).

The question is: which data does IL-2 use?

ROSS_Youss
03-28-2006, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Gatt59:
The C.205 max speed IL-2c shows is probably what the C.205 could get if pushed at 1.4ata and 2.800rpm (cleared by Daimler-Benz after summer 1943).

The question is: which data does IL-2 use?

Answer: C.205-III = 1.42ATA @ 2600rpm

plz. dont ask me "WHY?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ROSS_Youss
03-28-2006, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by VF-1_vaKer0:
Thank you very much Youss, gimme your address and i ll send you a bottle of brazilian cachaça! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers

sorry mate, i yet have not finished the business on this planet.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

brazilian cachaça must have a wait. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FatBoyHK
03-28-2006, 08:17 AM
Hi Youss there are several BIG mistake in the turn and climb data.... for example:

Ju52 outturn almost everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
P51 best turn time is 25s, was 20s in v2.5
lL2-1940 best turn time is 21s ????
190D9 outclimb a 109G10 ????
109G2 outclimb a 109G10 ????
Go229 outturn a 109G2 ???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Or they are not bugs but accurate representations of v4.05 FM ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Tipo_Man
03-28-2006, 08:46 AM
Youss,
I'm very curious about takeof weight of the aircrafts. Can you specify the loadout i.e configuration,fuel, bombs, etc?

I suppose this is somewhat the weight the aircraft is modelled into the game, but it seems to be lower than the well-accepted takeoff weights of some aircrafts.
for example:
BF 109G2 - 2740kg (I'm not expert but seems quite low)
Fw190A8 - 4023kg(without external guns maybe?!)
La5FN - 3177kg( very optimistic for production crafts for summer 43)
Yak-1 - 2876 ( production crafts in 41 weighted more than 3 tons)
P-40 M-105 - 3200 (400 kg lighter than the P-40E, while having only engine replaced less than 100kg difference, maybe we have a field mod with armour and some fuel removed?)

is the weight given with 50% fuel, or empty ammo load?

Curious also about max dive speeds:
Max dive speed of IL-10 is only 580km/h( 680 for IL-2).
Yak-3 having higher dive speed than La-7 is very interesting, since all russian sources claim the opposite.


Otherwise very interesting data, hope Oleg won't get mad when we start to discuss them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hawgdog
03-28-2006, 09:31 AM
Ok, says the max dive for the B1 Russian rocket plane is........
............2000k?

Anyone try to take it past 800?
I couldnt

JtD
03-28-2006, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Hi Youss there are several BIG mistake in the turn and climb data.... for example:

Ju52 outturn almost everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
P51 best turn time is 25s, was 20s in v2.5
lL2-1940 best turn time is 21s ????
190D9 outclimb a 109G10 ????
109G2 outclimb a 109G10 ????
Go229 outturn a 109G2 ???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Or they are not bugs but accurate representations of v4.05 FM ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Why don't you
<span class="ev_code_RED">TEST IT</span>

FatBoyHK
03-28-2006, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by JtD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Hi Youss there are several BIG mistake in the turn and climb data.... for example:

Ju52 outturn almost everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
P51 best turn time is 25s, was 20s in v2.5
lL2-1940 best turn time is 21s ????
190D9 outclimb a 109G10 ????
109G2 outclimb a 109G10 ????
Go229 outturn a 109G2 ???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Or they are not bugs but accurate representations of v4.05 FM ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Why don't you
<span class="ev_code_RED">TEST IT</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, tell me where to download <span class="ev_code_RED">v405</span> patch now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

JtD
03-28-2006, 09:40 AM
Okay, I was asking too much. Maybe you read youss explanation as linked in the first post?

LEXX_Luthor
03-28-2006, 09:42 AM
Thanks ROSS and Oleg for IL3 Compare....thanks Harti for talking me into liking it again.


hehe we don't need Maddox FB/PF sims anymore, we just play IL3Compare all by itself, and Whine about that.

Blottogg
03-28-2006, 09:49 AM
I couldn't catch most of Ivan's cyrillic past "Spasibo" (my Russian was never good, and got worse after I stopped using it), but I'll say it in English. Thanks for this contribution, Youss. And thanks to you and Oleg for working out the permission to post this here.

Viper2005_
03-28-2006, 10:31 AM
It would be very useful to have the option to display:

ROC at constant TAS, Turn by Speed and FAN plot at MAX power as well as 100% power.

Thankyou very much for IL2C. It's a great tool.

crazyivan1970
03-28-2006, 11:14 AM
I would like to point out one more time:

Please do not make any assumptions or state something based on IL2Compare out put. Especially, do not start any discussion based on it, ok? If you want this software around. And by all means, DO NOT e-mail Oleg or anybody in dev team about something that is not right, according to IL2Comapre.

JG53Harti
03-28-2006, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I would like to point out one more time:

Please do not make any assumptions or state something based on IL2Compare out put. Especially, do not start any discussion based on it, ok? If you want this software around. And by all means, DO NOT e-mail Oleg or anybody in dev team about something that is not right, according to IL2Comapre.



absolutely correct !

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Viper2005_
03-28-2006, 12:24 PM
I think that the thing about IL2C is that it can show you areas which are worthy of testing yourself which can save you a lot of time testing things only to find that they perform as expected.

It is not a substitute for doing your own leg work however!

Unless you test things for yourself you might as well argue for performance changes on the basis of evidence gathered down the pub...

CornbreadPattie
03-28-2006, 03:23 PM
ROSS_Youss

Thanks friend. Would you please check your private messages for me?


Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
http://rapidshare.de/files/16540192/il2c_v3.exe.html

what is il2compare and how it work you can read here:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=39318

sorry for my bad English.
may be Crazy Ivan can to translete my post at Sukhoi to English. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Q: Which version of IL2Compare is it?
A: This version uses calculations based on the IL2 Engine version 4.05m.

Q: How those graphs were generated?
ž: With use of program based on how AI controls the plane parameters are being written to the log and analized for creating of those graphs.

Q: How accurate is the output of IL2Compare?
ž: All information is generated using IL2 engine, so it is accurate. Other thing that graphs are not really optimized for given plane type, but that is caused by big airplane selection in this game and creating a program that is ideal for all type of planes is impossible.


more to come http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif A litte busy at work here hehe

WWMaxGunz
03-28-2006, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Tipo_Man:
Otherwise very interesting data, hope Oleg won't get mad when we start to discuss them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Please DO NOT.

You don't like then don't use.
Let others have this that was asked for long time now.
It has only been jerks making rude discussions in the past that stopped IL2C so why now the
same scat all over?

LEXX_Luthor
03-29-2006, 12:12 AM
HawDawg::
Ok, says the max dive for the B1 Russian rocket plane is........
............2000k?

Anyone try to take it past 800?
I couldnt
Maybe that means the AI can take it to 2k. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Compare shows AI without humanoid player flight model limitations? um...does IL3Compare actually give -1 a dive speed of 2M or 2000k? Wow, Aussom (I have not downloaded it yet).

Gunz::
It has only been jerks making rude discussions in the past that stopped IL2C so why now the same scat all over?
Would this be an accurate analogy...?

It has only been jerks making rude discussions in the past that stopped Red Baron 3D so why now the same scat all over?

Flowbee_602
03-29-2006, 01:30 AM
Thanks very much for this program! Can't wait to get it as your previous version was invaluable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

ROSS_Youss
03-29-2006, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by Flowbee_602:
Thanks very much for this program! Can't wait to get it as your previous version was invaluable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

sorry guys... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif in 3.0.0 found big error. in il2compare calculation was not used weigth of ammo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

today compare was recalculated by new algorytm and rebuilded il2compare 3.0.1

you can download it here
http://rapidshare.de/files/16690800/il2c_v301.exe.html

russian FAQ about 3.0.1 you can see here
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost.php?p=724470&postcount=1

one more time - sorry.

JG53Harti
03-29-2006, 02:08 AM
thx Youss ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Bartolomeo_ita
03-29-2006, 05:09 AM
bartolomeo_ita has been moderated -_-

CMHQ_Rikimaru
03-29-2006, 07:26 AM
I have a question for u Youss, could u make please a table of ROC at contant TAS, but with WEP on, and 110% power? Because in some planes like K4, it changes A LOT, and it would be easier to calculate, if u can, or u cannot outclimb ur opponenthttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

billeinstein
03-29-2006, 07:43 AM
What's wrong with the G-11?
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/6430/bt6mi.gif

JG53Harti
03-29-2006, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by billeinstein:
What's wrong .....



that you have not the correct version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif pls read the thread

JtD
03-29-2006, 09:39 AM
Thanks again, Youss. I see you have also done some other minor improvements. Nice support. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Gatt59
03-29-2006, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gatt59:
The C.205 max speed IL-2c shows is probably what the C.205 could get if pushed at 1.4ata and 2.800rpm (cleared by Daimler-Benz after summer 1943).

The question is: which data does IL-2 use?

Answer: C.205-III = 1.42ATA @ 2600rpm

plz. dont ask me "WHY?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, ok http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Thx for your work again, btw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-29-2006, 04:14 PM
Is there any chance someone could mirror the file somewhere? Rapidshare is refusing to let me download this file, saying I have an invalid ticket, or something, or wants me to wait like 3 hours before I can download it.

I hate rapidshare, it sucks, I really really wish people would stop using it, coz it sucks!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

WWMaxGunz
03-29-2006, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Gunz:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It has only been jerks making rude discussions in the past that stopped IL2C so why now the same scat all over?
Would this be an accurate analogy...?

It has only been jerks making rude discussions in the past that stopped Red Baron 3D so why now the same scat all over? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You were there? You know what part S/D quit over? Rudeness was less than plain ignorance then
just as now. Agenda driven ignorance, be sure.

SSDD, last D is for Developer.
For a short time SSDD was also some floppy disks but it's back to the old thang.

WWMaxGunz
03-29-2006, 05:25 PM
Just got the 301 from Rapidshare. All it takes is navigating through the counter-intuitive
steps to be sure and type in the auth code there to stop bots. 3 characters shown kind of
linked together must be typed into the box to the right and download takes place quickly.
Only a human will see characters in the image yet not every human will find and connect the
need for that step in the usual rush to find the button, push the button.

steiner562
03-29-2006, 05:52 PM
Excellent stuff, thank you Youss. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-29-2006, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Just got the 301 from Rapidshare. All it takes is navigating through the counter-intuitive
steps to be sure and type in the auth code there to stop bots. 3 characters shown kind of
linked together must be typed into the box to the right and download takes place quickly.
Only a human will see characters in the image yet not every human will find and connect the
need for that step in the usual rush to find the button, push the button.

I did that authorisation thing like 10 times. I got a message saying invalid ticket each time. I'm not so stupid that I can't read three letters and/or numbers, and then type them into a wee box.

Like I said, Rapidshare sucks, I get this problem all the time, or it wants me to wait like 3 hours or more before I can download the file.

billeinstein
03-29-2006, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by JG53Harti:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by billeinstein:
What's wrong .....



that you have not the correct version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif pls read the thread </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have the same date in the ver 3.0.1.
Where can I find the corrected one?

hop2002
03-29-2006, 08:45 PM
Rapidshare doesn't work for quite a lot of people. Many ISPs use transparent proxies, Rapidshare identifies the proxy rather than your client ip. That means everyone on the proxy (and there may be many thousands of users) gets the same IP address, so if someone on the proxy has already downloaded anything from Rapidshare, you can't. It also seems to have got worse in the last few weeks, with support for transparent proxies totally broken in many cases. I haven't been able to download anything from them for weeks.

jermin122
03-30-2006, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by ivankuturkokoff:

http://www.users.on.net/~ttail/faninterp.jpg
Ivan, could you pls explain what Sustained Turn Boundary Ps=0 means? I'm very curious at it. Thx in advance.

ROSS_Youss
03-30-2006, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by billeinstein:
What's wrong with the G-11?


il2compare FAQ - Q #07

"'07: ¿оÑ"µму у "-11 Ñ"?ºо' сÑ"Ñ€?ннÑ"' ³Ñ€?Ñ"¸º сºоÑ€осÑ"¸?

ž: ¿оÑ"ому Ñ"Ñ"о Ñ€µз¸нº?, ºоÑ"оÑ€о' он ºÑ€µ¿¸лся º буºÑ¸Ñ€о²Ñ"¸ºÑƒ, бÑ"л? оÑ"µнÑŒ Ñ"у³о'."

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i still wait for translated FAQ from Ivan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Harti
03-30-2006, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by billeinstein:
What's wrong with the G-11?


il2compare FAQ - Q #07

"'07: ¿оÑ"µму у "-11 Ñ"?ºо' сÑ"Ñ€?ннÑ"' ³Ñ€?Ñ"¸º сºоÑ€осÑ"¸?

ž: ¿оÑ"ому Ñ"Ñ"о Ñ€µз¸нº?, ºоÑ"оÑ€о' он ºÑ€µ¿¸лся º буºÑ¸Ñ€о²Ñ"¸ºÑƒ, бÑ"л? оÑ"µнÑŒ Ñ"у³о'."

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif i still wait for translated FAQ from Ivan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWMaxGunz
03-30-2006, 01:33 AM
Jermin, the sustained you know means able to keep the turn going.
The Ps=0 is meaning not gaining or losing altitude.

Built-up doghouse charts will have Ps curves for losing altitude and gaining altitude as
well on them since those are also important in finding the places one plane cannot be
followed by some other. The climbing and diving spirals really used instead of the straight
climbs and dives that some gamers seem to expect.

Youss, I ask does IL2C generate the curves or are they made and stored? Can we add curves
to the charts to build them up for more complete compares?

DaimonSyrius
03-30-2006, 02:07 AM
Thanks again, Youss, the improved interface in v.3.0.1 is much more convenient http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers,
S.

ROSS_Youss
03-30-2006, 02:09 AM
Youss, I ask does IL2C generate the curves or are they made and stored? Can we add curves
to the charts to build them up for more complete compares?

generate by values stored in data-files.
see in DataSpeed and DataTurn directories.

you cant add curves. you can change/replace values in txt file and curves will build by this values.

CMHQ_Rikimaru
03-30-2006, 05:59 AM
I ask again, could you Youss change power setting from 100% to 110%+WEP, for ROC on constant TAS table?

ROSS_Youss
03-30-2006, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by CMHQ_Rikimaru:
I ask again, could you Youss change power setting from 100% to 110%+WEP, for ROC on constant TAS table?

may be in next version.

Manos1
03-30-2006, 02:01 PM
T H A N K S Youss !


Do you still collect photos?
I will search for something original....


Many Thanks for making this available again!

~S~

WWMaxGunz
03-30-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Youss, I ask does IL2C generate the curves or are they made and stored? Can we add curves
to the charts to build them up for more complete compares?

generate by values stored in data-files.
see in DataSpeed and DataTurn directories.

you cant add curves. you can change/replace values in txt file and curves will build by this values. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then possible updates may only need new txt files, if only change is flight data?

Would like to be able to build up full chart some day but I can see the pre-generate work
with so many planes would take long time if each 'flight' for each curve for every plane
must be set up by hand.

It would be very cool to have it all automated and part of the object viewer, but just a
dream for too much! Too many buttons would be needed, I am sure.

Bussard_1
03-30-2006, 05:26 PM
Tooz_69Geeyap,
Check PM please.

ROSS_Youss
03-30-2006, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Then possible updates may only need new txt files, if only change is flight data?


you can add new txt-files and/or change exist txt-files.

WWMaxGunz
03-31-2006, 01:26 AM
My meaning there is if a patch changes FM, you only need distribute new txt files and we
can avoid download of whole program is all. I am with 45k dialup you see?

Youss I LIKE your program and consider it a very good tool for the community. You done good!

Willey
04-01-2006, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Ju52 outturn almost everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
P51 best turn time is 25s, was 20s in v2.5
lL2-1940 best turn time is 21s ????
190D9 outclimb a 109G10 ????
109G2 outclimb a 109G10 ????
Go229 outturn a 109G2 ???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Ju-52: check wing load http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif - Regarding the information I could get (9200kg TO weight, 110,5m²), it's just 83,26kg/m² (to compare: I-153M-62 has 95,3! @2110kg/22,14m²)
Go-229: Similar story http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
109G-10: I don't like it - late Gs seem to lack performance, while the G-2 has some too much.
P-51: "The P-51 can't turn at all." - Remember that video interview? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And: These performances may not exactly be those you can actually get out of a plane in FB. I think the most error will be in turn times, the least in speeds.

ivankuturkokoff
04-01-2006, 05:06 PM
Jermin, MaxGunz response is basically correct. The Ps=0 curve simply indicates where you can achieve steady state performamce with out Airspeed OR Altitude loss with refrence to G, TAS and altitude. The IL2C Fan plot is fixed altitude at 1000m. So its only valid at this altitude.

If you are sitting on the PS=0 curve say at ZZZKmh pulling 2.7G you can sit there all day.
If you increase the G you will loose performance, you will either Loose Airspeed, or if you descend slightly be able to maintain the G and Airspeed... your choice how you fly it.

On a Full blown Chart you will see additional Ps contours. Below the Ps=0 line they will be positive, above the Ps=0 line they will be negative. So If positve it indicates you have a surplus of performance. If they are negative you are bleeding E either in Airspeed, or Altitude.

Ps is not just related to holding altitude it also (through a little bit of manipulation) provides acceleration rate as well. However a really broad brush definition is that a Ps value represents instantasneous Available Rate Of Climb for that given flight condition.

Ps=V(T-D)/W

jermin122
04-02-2006, 12:22 AM
I see, thank you both, ivan and MaxGuz.


BTW, How are the weapon load and fuel load used for caculation?

mortoma
04-02-2006, 10:37 PM
Is the P-39D the D1 model?? You have the P-39D2 model in there but I don't see the D-1, only the plain
D. I suppose it is the D1 but I thought the P-400 and the D1 were the same plane performance-wise??? But the program shows the D1 is far different frpm the P-400.

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 12:57 AM
the P-39D in compare is the D-2.
hell of a plane, isnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the P-39D-1 is the same in performance as the P-400 i would say.

DuxCorvan
04-03-2006, 01:43 AM
About the B-1 getting 2000 Km/h (supersonic) in a dive:

I guess this must have been a concession so the AI can actually fly the plane. Youss said that the data is extracted from AI's FM usage.

When human controlled, you must be very careful with the B-1: an experimental aircraft as it is, you lose control over it and starts nose down above 800 Km/h.

Since the AI usually pushes FMs to the limit -cheating AI does not have overheat, structural or G-limits- every time the AI used the B-1 it would irremediably dive to crash, if it wasn't for this 2000 Km/h AI concession. An interesting workaround.

My guess.

sparty7200
04-03-2006, 02:26 PM
Could some kind person please upload this program to http://www.yousendit.com/ as Rapid share doesn't work for me and NEVER has!..then could they please post the link to my PM box please?

Thanks in advance

Regards

Sparty

Hawgdog
04-03-2006, 05:08 PM
With so many non-flyable planes listed, it would have been nice, very nice to see the I-185 in the list.

regards-

mortoma
04-03-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the P-39D in compare is the D-2.
hell of a plane, isnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the P-39D-1 is the same in performance as the P-400 i would say. No, you misunderstand. The P-39D2 is in the list of planes, as is the P-400, in alphabetical order. But just a regular "P-39D" appears in the list way down near the bottom, like some of the newer planes. Look for yourself. This P-39 thing truly confuses me. So what is this P-39D??? As it does not say it's a D1 or D2 and it has different performance than the D2 up higher in the list and also differs from P-400 perfomance. See what I mean?????

mortoma
04-03-2006, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Hawgdog:
With so many non-flyable planes listed, it would have been nice, very nice to see the I-185 in the list.

regards- What are you taling about man?? Both versions of the I-185 show up for me.

mortoma
04-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Where is the Spitfire IXe???? And the Vc models???
Both tow and four gun VCs are missing.

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the P-39D in compare is the D-2.
hell of a plane, isnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the P-39D-1 is the same in performance as the P-400 i would say. No, you misunderstand. The P-39D2 is in the list of planes, as is the P-400, in alphabetical order. But just a regular "P-39D" appears in the list way down near the bottom, like some of the newer planes. Look for yourself. This P-39 thing truly confuses me. So what is this P-39D??? As it does not say it's a D1 or D2 and it has different performance than the D2 up higher in the list and also differs from P-400 perfomance. See what I mean????? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dont see what you are seeing.
i have the follwoing Aoracobras in the compare 3.0.1 list:
P-39D
P-39N
P-39Q-10
P-39Q-1
P-400

Hawgdog
04-04-2006, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawgdog:
With so many non-flyable planes listed, it would have been nice, very nice to see the I-185 in the list.

regards- What are you taling about man?? Both versions of the I-185 show up for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You messing with my head? LOL, I'm looking at it right now, unless I am blind, which my wife says is quite true, I cant see it.
I mean, I'm looking at it, right now..I-16's-J2m3
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/HawgDog/compare.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
04-04-2006, 05:36 AM
well you use 3.0.0 , download 3.0.1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mortoma
04-04-2006, 06:04 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the P-39D in compare is the D-2.
hell of a plane, isnt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the P-39D-1 is the same in performance as the P-400 i would say. No, you misunderstand. The P-39D2 is in the list of planes, as is the P-400, in alphabetical order. But just a regular "P-39D" appears in the list way down near the bottom, like some of the newer planes. Look for yourself. This P-39 thing truly confuses me. So what is this P-39D??? As it does not say it's a D1 or D2 and it has different performance than the D2 up higher in the list and also differs from P-400 perfomance. See what I mean????? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dont see what you are seeing.
i have the follwoing Aoracobras in the compare 3.0.1 list:
P-39D
P-39N
P-39Q-10
P-39Q-1
P-400 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Strange, because my version has a "plain" P-39D down at the bottom in between the P-38L Late and the P-47D27 Late. I have version
3.0.0. And another thing that's strange is my version has the I-185s listed when one guy in here doesn't. And someone else tells him to DL the newer version which has it, he says my version doesn't have it.

Hawgdog
04-04-2006, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
well you use 3.0.0 , download 3.0.1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

thanks, will do- saw the Do-335 in the list and assumed it was the latest

Hawgdog
04-06-2006, 06:21 AM
I wanted to see the B-1 rocket plane pushed to its extremes, mission editor.
First way point, 17k @500, second way point, zero meters @ 2000k, mission editor wont let you set speed higher than 1024, the max an AI can get it to. Human- 800K
Maybe with the '46 3 rocket plane will get to the moon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROSS_Youss
04-07-2006, 05:07 AM
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost.php?p=730819&postcount=223

new turn-data for AOA = max (early version calculated with AOA < 12 degrees)

WWMaxGunz
04-07-2006, 09:13 AM
Hello Youss, is this change only the text file of data?

Grunherzjager
04-07-2006, 09:30 AM
Thank you Youss,

Interesting. What is this SpitfireVB-4000? The same plane with Turn Time by Speed at 4000 meters? Same with Bf 109E-4 & La-5FN.

mortoma
04-08-2006, 07:31 PM
I still never got any answer about the aircraft listed as the the P-39D. If it's the D1 then it's performance sould be exactly the same as the P-400, but it's not. The listed P-400 and the P-39D2 both have different performance. I can't find a listing for the P-39D1 which makes me feel this "P-39D" is supposed to be the D1 but why is it not the same as the P-400 then??

Still no answer on the missing Spits I mentioned in an earlier post either.

JtD
04-09-2006, 12:04 AM
Possibly because you are the only one who apparently has a D2 listed?

I got P-400 and a P-39D. 400=39D1, D=D2.

If you had read the FAQ from the links Youss provided you'd know that Spit Vb = Vc and IXc = IXe.
-----------

WHAT is the P-51C-old supposed to represent?

mortoma
04-09-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
Possibly because you are the only one who apparently has a D2 listed?

I got P-400 and a P-39D. 400=39D1, D=D2.

If you had read the FAQ from the links Youss provided you'd know that Spit Vb = Vc and IXc = IXe.
-----------

WHAT is the P-51C-old supposed to represent? I have version 3.00, what version should I have?? Sorry I did not come to this thread until it had five pages so there was no way I was going to read every post in the thread. I simply don't have time to read all the posts. So I never saw that about the Spits. Thanks

mortoma
04-09-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by ROSS_Youss:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost.php?p=730819&postcount=223

new turn-data for AOA = max (early version calculated with AOA < 12 degrees) When I click on this link, I am not getting the IL2 Compare3.02.rar like I'm supposed to. I get a file called "attachment.php"!! What the heck is that??

mortoma
04-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Nevermind, I switched to IE and was able to download it correctly. Apparently Netscape didn't like that link. Very strange as netscape usually works for me well.

JG52Karaya-X
04-18-2006, 01:42 AM
When I install the 3.02 rar and copy the .txt files over into the corresponding folders the plane list gets all mixed up - previously it was in alphabetical order, now it's random http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Any fix for that?

BTW, great program

Tommy_k
10-18-2006, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by DaimonSyrius:
Thank you ROSS_Youss, for your work in IL2-Compare and for kindly making it available to all of us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers,
S.