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ImpStarDuece
02-25-2006, 04:44 PM
I've been cleaning out my Hard Drive and I just ran across something quite interesting: it seems that night fighter Mosquito's were equipped with N2O tanks to give them extra speed down low http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4986/mossieno24tm.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mossieno24tm.jpg)


377mph at 2,000 feet is nothing to sneeze at, but 394 mph is just BLISTERING! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I wish I could credit the source though.

Intrigued by the idea of a nitro Mossie, I performed a little Google-fu, and it seems that it was equipped operationally on night fighter Mossies:

€˜Wg Cdr E. D. Crew DFC, (pilot) and WO W. R. Croysdill (operator) took off West Malling at 0100hrs and landed there at 0230hrs. I was patrolling over the channel at 23,000ft under Wartling GCI (Controller F/C Powell), when I was vectored onto a bogey on a course of 340.€

€˜Contact was obtained at four miles slightly below and crossing port to starboard on an a/c taking slight evasive action. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">At full speed the range closed easily and I did not use N2O at all.</span> After four minutes, range was 1,000ft and I obtained an indistinct visual of a twin engined a/c, which, on closing to 300ft, I believed to be a Ju88. No exhausts were visible. I eased the nose of the Mosquito up and fired a short burst from dead astern, just as the e/a began to dive. This was followed by a last flash from the centre section and cockpit area, and flames.€

€˜I followed the a/c down and fired again, with more strikes in the same area, resulting in more white flames and e/a dived very steeply to port. A third deflection burst produced more strikes and flashes and e/a disappeared below me. Visual and contact was lost. I noticed that outboard of each engine there was a cylindrical bulge beneath each wing, resembling the long range tanks of the Fw190.€

€˜Shortly afterwards, I was put on another contact at 4,000ft height. This e/a was at 3.5 miles range, below and to port, flying in a southerly direction. I turned to starboard as it crossed and followed it down through a steep port orbit. Evasive action was moderate and window was being used. As I straightened out of the orbit, an a/c crossed in front at almost collision range, and I had to pull up sharply to avoid hitting it, so that I had no chance to open fire. As it passed below me, I recognized the twin fins and rudders of a Do217. But though I turned round immediately I could not regain contact, and because of the nearness of the French coast I was told to return on 330.€

€˜Time of combat 0048. Place of combat R11. At 0050 according to the ROC MG fire was heard at sea, at 055 an a/c later identified as an Me410 crashed in Brighton reference Q72. No ack-ack was heard in the area before 0110, AI 2 (G) report that 20mm cannon strikes have been found on this Me410.€

€˜This a/c was originally claimed as a Ju88 probably destroyed. It is now claimed as an Me410 destroyed in view of the evidence of the British crash.€

€˜Wg Cdr Crew states that his operator said at the time it was a Me410 but he contradicted him and insisted that it was a Ju88. The inability to see exhausts from above would also point to its having been, in fact, an Me410.

Armament report: rounds fired: 20mm SAPI 48, 20mm HEI 48. Total 96

Stoppages: Nil

Cine camera exposed 1ft automatically€

Willey
02-25-2006, 04:49 PM
Interesting that they could use it down low - it's practically the same as GM-1. Probably in combination with 100/150 grade fuels.

Airmail109
02-25-2006, 07:03 PM
OLEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Taylortony
02-25-2006, 07:27 PM
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http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/IL2_Skins/mossie.jpg

ATLAS_DEATH
02-25-2006, 11:53 PM
That's cool.. but it's only 17mph faster... people pass on the freeway faster than that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

JtD
02-26-2006, 12:10 AM
30 mph above 18000feet and 17 below. Not bad. I wonder WHEN they used it. Wasn't the Mk. XIX a rather late variant?

BlakJakOfSpades
02-26-2006, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by ATLAS_DEATH:
That's cool.. but it's only 17mph faster... people pass on the freeway faster than that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

yeah, but they don't have machine guns....usually

Unknown-Pilot
02-26-2006, 12:29 AM
Good lord, +17mph at SL would mean it would be doing about 595kph true. (I got 568kph TAS over Crimea, rads closed, at 40m with 100% fuel, *and* battle damage from dueling with a 110 before looking at top speed)

The P-47D (late) only managed about 586 or so for me. So in that light, 568 is fast as balls for a 1942 plane.

595 would put it right up there with the La7 (at least the 4.03 La7 from the tests I saw here), and above most Antons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Would be very interesting to have. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

ImpStarDuece
02-26-2006, 01:08 AM
Look at the 2000 foot speed though: 394 mph.

Thats 634 kph! Even if it lost 20-30 kph below that height (which I doubt) it would still be faster than 600 kph on the deck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CD_kp84yb
02-26-2006, 01:25 AM
quote

yeah, but they don't have machine guns....usually


Well people get more agressiv these days, in our country, when driving.
Hehehe you get the middle finger for any reason, so i bet it wont take long before we see the first machineguns. A few dorks are armed already, but they are cops or criminals
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Feathered_IV
02-26-2006, 01:33 AM
Wouldn't the nitrous make the pilot and navigator talk funny?

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Akronnick
02-26-2006, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Wouldn't the nitrous make the pilot and navigator talk funny?

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Naw, man, you're thinking of helium. Nitrous makes you ACT funny, and post wierd stuf on the forums http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Kurfurst__
02-26-2006, 08:27 AM
Does anyone know from when and to what extent was NO2 injection used?

The paper seems to me some kind of testing, perhaps they were thinking about 150+NO2 combo?

luftluuver
02-26-2006, 08:54 AM
It would be in 1944 as the MkXIX became operational in the fall of 1943. (1st kill, a Me410, Nov 8 1943)


The P-47D (late) only managed about 586 or so for me. So in that light, 568 is fast as balls for a 1942 plane. Where do you get this 1942 plane U-P. The 1st production FBVI did not fly til Feb <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">1943</span>.

JtD
02-26-2006, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
It would be in 1944 as the MkXIX became operational in the fall of 1943. (1st kill, a Me410, Nov 8 1943)

I have checked several sources and all of them say 1st flight April 1944.

Unknown-Pilot
02-26-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
Where do you get this 1942 plane U-P. The 1st production FBVI did not fly til Feb <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">1943</span>.

Ask Oleg. I was talking about the game.

stathem
02-26-2006, 12:08 PM
Henry Ricardo of sleeve-valved engine fame did a lot of the work of developing this. I thought it was fairly well known that NF Mossies used Nitrous.

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-26-2006, 12:21 PM
I'd like to see performance figures dependant on loadout. So that if I were to take nothing, I would be able to go faster. Certain planes (like the mossie) would be more versatile and historically accurate, but it's likely asking too much.

TB

luftluuver
02-26-2006, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by JtD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
It would be in 1944 as the MkXIX became operational in the fall of 1943. (1st kill, a Me410, Nov 8 1943)

I have checked several sources and all of them say 1st flight April 1944. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>First flight is not operational.

JtD
02-26-2006, 01:40 PM
So what is operational? Drawing board? It killed a 410 right from the drawing board?

Viper2005_
02-26-2006, 01:59 PM
Don't forget LOX injection. That's got to rank high on the "potentially dangerous things done to improve performance" list...

mhuxt
02-26-2006, 02:54 PM
Crew's aircraft in the combat report above was an NF.XIII. Fifty of the latter were equipped with Nitrous tanks.

The scan with the speed results is, I believe, a composite of two separate documents. I have never seen any context for either of the composite parts.