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Odie1974
07-14-2010, 03:34 AM
Hi,

For some time I have been trying (without much success unfortunately) to set up joystick / rudder pedals sensitivity for BF 109 / Focke Wulf planes.

Can you please help me out and share with me your profiles for MS Force Feedback stick and / or CH pro pedals?

I am primarily interested with feedback from those who are flying BFs / FWs.

I will greatly appreciate your help.

Erkki_M
07-14-2010, 04:46 AM
I use all-100s(ie. straight lines), with no filtering or dead band, for all axises.

idonno
07-14-2010, 09:53 AM
All 100's in game settings here also. After years of trying different settings, I found that all 100's works best. It takes a little getting used to, but once you do, you'll find that you have better control, especially near the stall.

Jumoschwanz
07-14-2010, 09:54 AM
I have used Microsoft sticks since this sim came out, and I always ran them as they were installed, default, with no adjustment at all to any settings, and I have kicked a$$ all over the place.

JtD
07-14-2010, 11:38 AM
100% here as well, I did try with some tuning now and then, but it didn't really work out.

Bremspropeller
07-14-2010, 11:48 AM
100% - everything else is BS anyway.

Odie1974
07-14-2010, 11:58 AM
Ok, thanks for input - will set to 100% and see how it works.

Romanator21
07-14-2010, 11:59 AM
For online combat all 100s, coupled with the light forces it takes to move the stick, will allow you to make very sharp inputs, and the plane will react instantly, but it's akin to flying your plane with fly-by-wire. Instead, airplanes in this game are controlled by cables and pulleys, and so they feel very different. Consider that most sticks were 2 or 3 feet tall, and had a travel of maybe 20 inches while our joys travel maybe 4-5 inches.

For my Logitech 3d I like to use a quadratic scale of 1,4,9,16,...100. For the Saitek AV8R which has a longer handle, I stick with the default settings of 10,20,30,40...100. I have used Captain Eric Brown's (WWII pilot) settings, and loved them. The airplanes feel just right. The only downside is that you lose the ability to make full input (100) at the very end of the scale, so the settings will not allow you to dogfight to your full potential, but you can blame that shortcoming on our modern hardware.

I'm still waiting for a USB stick which is 2 feet long and requires 100 lbs of force to move all the way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Odie1974
07-14-2010, 12:09 PM
I have used Captain Eric Brown's (WWII pilot) settings, and loved them.

What are those? never heard of them?

Bremspropeller
07-14-2010, 12:12 PM
No, actually 100% is more of the real thing.

Stick-position is directly related to flight-control-surface deflection that way - just as IRL.

There already is a force-limiter in the game-engine (concrete-elevator on the 109), so there's no use in artiicially desensifying your lower stick-travel ranges. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Romanator21
07-14-2010, 12:53 PM
100s is more realistic if, as I said, your stick is 2 feet long and has 20 inches of travel.

100s for a common pc stick is more realistic for the reason that you mention, but it doesn't "feel" right. Brown's settings are probably the best feel you can achieve with a regular pc stick, as long as you're not trying to dogfight.

Btw, here are the settings. Keep in mind that they will feel very sluggish at first if you're used to all 100s. I suggest modifying Yaw a bit so that you have adequate control on takeoff - Brown felt the settings were good for flight, but they also gave the impression of over-modeled torque.

Pitch 0, 1, 3, 7, 9, 14, 18, 23, 27, 33
Roll 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 12, 17
Yaw 0, 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16

Bremspropeller
07-14-2010, 03:23 PM
100s is more realistic if, as I said, your stick is 2 feet long and has 20 inches of travel.

I can adapt, so I on't have a poblem with that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

julian265
07-14-2010, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Romanator21:
Btw, here are the settings. Keep in mind that they will feel very sluggish at first if you're used to all 100s. I suggest modifying Yaw a bit so that you have adequate control on takeoff - Brown felt the settings were good for flight, but they also gave the impression of over-modeled torque.

Pitch 0, 1, 3, 7, 9, 14, 18, 23, 27, 33
Roll 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 12, 17
Yaw 0, 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 8, 11, 14, 16

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Feel a bit sluggish at first? Those settings limit your pilot's strength to 16-33% of most other people's.

jameson2010
07-14-2010, 05:58 PM
Stick movement in a 109 was about 4 inches from vertical in real life, the cockpit was small.

As for the FFB use 100's and don't forget to switch off the returm to centre forces under game controllers, if you have loaded the m$ drivers and are using XP. This permits you to feel the buffeting near the stall and allows you to pull very hard on the stick without stalling with some practice. Just as in a real plane learn to fly using very small stick inputs, not moving it at all, if possible, allowing maximum speed and energy retention. Trimming is also done with an FFb stick as in real life, set engine rpm, hold plane straight and level and trim out the force, which you can feel, on the stick. This is it's secret and advantage over a spring centred stick.

Eric Brown's stick settings were for an early version of IL2 so not sure they are applicable now but it's whatever you get used to ultimately, but all 100's do give 1 to 1 stick movement/control surface deflection, which has to be the most desirable, don't you think.

DKoor
07-15-2010, 12:20 AM
I'm also in club 100.
Mostly.

WTE_Galway
07-15-2010, 12:58 AM
An advantage of all 100 is you get the same response regardless of whether you are in trim or not.

There is little point having a profile with a "mushy centre" if you tend to fly with the stick half way back anyway :P

DKoor
07-15-2010, 01:24 AM
If I understand you properly*...
Due to the nature of trim werks in IL-2 I couldn't say that for sure.
In fact I'm quite convinced in the opposite to tell you the truth.

Notorious example would be 109... try to dive it and when you exceed 600kph try to pull out from the dive, at best you'll be able to do it sloopy... now same setup use trim difference night/day.

You'd even be able to get past blackout during high speed pull outs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

WTE_Galway
07-15-2010, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
If I understand you properly*...
Due to the nature of trim werks in IL-2 I couldn't say that for sure.
In fact I'm quite convinced in the opposite to tell you the truth.

Notorious example would be 109... try to dive it and when you exceed 600kph try to pull out from the dive, at best you'll be able to do it sloopy... now same setup use trim difference night/day.

You'd even be able to get past blackout during high speed pull outs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I agree using trim is essential to fly well and good trim is critical for good shooting.

I was just saying that if you use a softened profile it makes out-of-trim scenarios even worse and good trim even more critical. All 100 is more tolerant of bad trim. But being in trim is clearly better.

JtD
07-15-2010, 01:57 AM
Yes, you'd probably need a second joystick for trimming. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Odie1974
07-15-2010, 02:00 AM
@ Jameson: I am using XP / MSFFB stick, but do not remember loading any specific drivers for it - I am referring to "switch off the return forces" that you talk about.

AFAIK XP comes with its own set of drivers. Do I need to load some other (not stock XP) drivers in that case? I do not have the install disk as I bought the stick on e-bay.

@ others: I have tried all 100's yesterday and it was quite difficult - the sight was quite jumpy and I could not hold it on the enemy.

Are there any tricks I should use to target the planes with such a setup (all 100s), or do I simply need to learn to make very small stick movements?

I am trying to trim the plane at all times. When fighting enemies I usually set trim slightly "nose down" so that I have to pull just a little bit on the stick to bring the bandit in sight. Is that OK? How should I actually trim for best gunnery?

Oh and BTW I am primarily off line player - not good enough to fly online (yet) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JtD
07-15-2010, 02:06 AM
Guess you need to learn. I was experimenting with 10-20-30-40... or so stick setting for quite some time, but then got back to all 100 and it took me a few days to get used to it, and a few weeks to be better with it than I had been with the other stick settings. Just practice.

If you know how to read the briefing, take off and not be offensive, you're qualified for on-line play. It's also a great place to find a lot of tips and tricks, much more quickly than flying offline and asking questions on an internet board. In particular if you can find someone who takes you as his/her wingman.

jameson2010
07-15-2010, 03:57 AM
Odie1974, here you are:
MS FFB2 Controller Software 4
http://www.mission4today.com/i...?name=Downloads&c=53 (http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads&c=53)

Odie1974
07-15-2010, 04:13 AM
Cool thx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Already downloaded - will try out in the evening.

DKoor
07-15-2010, 04:47 AM
I guess they are all the same to me.
Whether it's all 100 or something else.
I think it is a matter of habit anyway.
Unless you don't have 0-100 on scale, if you use only fraction of that (say 0-80, where your elevator -or other surface- will never reach ultimate position no matter how hard you abuse your stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) it would be all the same once your hand & brain coordinates for it.
All you can now accomplish is to find some setup that you are already accustomed to.
IMO.

People swear in some specific setups for some planes... after playing for a long time it is all the same to me. It all boils down to more sensitivity less stick movement and vice versa. To me, at least.

jameson2010
07-15-2010, 05:18 AM
Odie1974, Forgot to mention that software will also allow you to minimise the dead zone of the stick. I've made mine as small as possible so that almost any movement gets a response from the plane. I'm now only aware of the existence of a deadzone now when crossing the neutral stick position and then only momentarily. Setting up the stick with no centre forces and a tiny deadzone makes for a very precise and resposive joystick, have fun!
Oh, and the same page I posted earlier there are some other FFB profiles you may care to try, Trombke's is a good one IIRC.

BaronUnderpants
07-15-2010, 05:35 AM
[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 27 38 52 63 69 75 83 88 93 100 0
1Y=0 28 44 55 62 70 79 88 93 96 100 0
1RZ=7 29 40 48 57 66 76 86 93 95 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1X1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Y1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

Erkki_M
07-15-2010, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Odie1974:
@ others: I have tried all 100's yesterday and it was quite difficult - the sight was quite jumpy and I could not hold it on the enemy.

Are there any tricks I should use to target the planes with such a setup (all 100s), or do I simply need to learn to make very small stick movements?

I am trying to trim the plane at all times. When fighting enemies I usually set trim slightly "nose down" so that I have to pull just a little bit on the stick to bring the bandit in sight. Is that OK? How should I actually trim for best gunnery?

I use trim back myself, so that I have to constantly push the stick forward when I fly in level. This means that situations where the stick is in the center area are rare, and also every time I'm aiming and shooting, I have some pressure on the stick, making the movements more accurate. Also if I have to turnfight(rarely), its less tiring to my wrist, as I usually dont need to pull the stick even 50% back, some 75% back being full elevator deflection...