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MrBiz
06-09-2005, 05:08 AM
Look at this i found on ebay, it amazing:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6538193361
Then look at the record of the boat:
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u99.htm
Uboat Ace eh?

W.Irving
06-09-2005, 05:32 AM
Kretschmer was the most successful captain, wasn't he?

MrBiz
06-09-2005, 05:36 AM
Yeah, i can't believe this is up for auction!

The Avon Lady
06-09-2005, 05:42 AM
I'm curious as to how this item can be authenticated.

KptnLtKarle
06-09-2005, 06:01 AM
Looks a bit iffy to me, BTW does anyone want to buy Gunther Prien's jockstrap, one careful owner

terrabit2001
06-09-2005, 06:50 AM
Who's the dolt that told the seller that its "very valuable" ... hmmm isnt that against the basic principles of buying 101?

Tomus
06-09-2005, 09:19 AM
This looks very very fishy if you ask me. That would be worth a fortune. The guy who is selling it acts like he is all innocent and kind of "Kretschmer I think I've heard of him somewhere" and yet look at the other stuff he sells:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZmilitariapathfinder617

I get the impression he is trying to con people into thinking he dug it out of the attic or something. When this guy is clearly a professional militaria dealer and anyone who sells that much WWII gear must be very aware of who Otto Kretschmer is.

Also the way the case is scuffed in the bottom left that does not seem to have affected the lettering.

Although the date 4.11.1940 was the date he received his knights cross with oak leaves....perhaps you would have expected something else on the case??

MrBiz
06-09-2005, 09:47 AM
Well, i have just noticed that a collector must be interested in it.
warmuseum ( 164 ) 55.55 09-Jun-05 16:08:11 BST

InfectiousDust
06-09-2005, 11:18 AM
I don't buy it. At least not unless it was authenticated somehow, like Avon Lady said. The engraving looks awefully fresh, but I could be wrong of course.

terrabit2001
06-09-2005, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tomus:
This looks very very fishy if you ask me. look at the other stuff he sells:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZmilitariapathfinder617


Did you also notice that he has another Cig case that apparently belonged to SS Maj. Gen. Hermann Priess, who he also claims he has no knowledge of?

LOL what a scammer...
Please no one bid on that item.

MrBiz
06-09-2005, 05:12 PM
Ahh well, at the end of the day, its only a cigeratte case, of which the ownership is questionable

RedTerex
06-09-2005, 05:28 PM
The engraved text on the case looks like a modern font has been used.
This text just doesnt look right, didnt Germans engrave with that Old Germanic style font similar to Frankfurt?? Also LOL it looks like its been laser scribed instead of etched.

I doubt its authenticity.
The whole edifice is iffy.

The_Third_Half
06-10-2005, 07:16 AM
I don't know about the etching, or if it actually belong to said owner, However the case itself IS an antique.
That alone is worth 50 bucks i think. But i wouldn't buy it thinking , oh ya lookie what i got !!

Faamecanic
06-10-2005, 09:24 AM
I also love how the "elastic" bands are pretty, white, and NEW looking on these "antique" cases.

First off... that elastic would have rotted away by now. ... humm...maybe not...I was thinking of how my underware elastic only lasts about 1 yr... but thats with my corrosive bodily gasses always being around it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Second... did they even have elastic back in those days??

I smell a rat...

AdEridanus
06-10-2005, 09:48 AM
If it's authentic, Otto must have received this case right as he took command of U-99. U-boat.net has Apr. 18 for the date and the case hase Apr. 11, which is plausible because a u-boat is not something where you just hand the keys over.

How did it survive the war? If it was on U-99, then who took it off of the sinking sub? Otto or crew? If so, then it could have been confiscated between there and the POW camp, then resurfaced years later. If it was in Otto's office or somewhere on land, then it could be easily nabbed and lost. But Otto never regained possession of it before his death in 1998? No relatives?

Like RedTerex said, one thing that certainly bothers me is the style of the etching/engraving. I haven't done any comparative studies on this, but that "font" doesn't seem right for the period or nation. It just comes off as too modern. I can't recall any german propoganda, paraphernalia or military relics that have sported light italics with san-serif lettering. Just a feeling though.

The_Third_Half
06-10-2005, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Faamecanic:
I also love how the "elastic" bands are pretty, white, and NEW looking on these "antique" cases.

First off... that elastic would have rotted away by now. ... humm...maybe not...I was thinking of how my underware elastic only lasts about 1 yr... but thats with my corrosive bodily gasses always being around it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Second... did they even have elastic back in those days??

I smell a rat...

You might want to check the color on your monitor, they look pretty yellow, and dingy to me.
Again, i don't know if it actually belonged to said skipper, but that cig case itself is old.

terrabit2001
06-10-2005, 11:40 AM
Ok well ..
There are some things that are debateable about whether of not it looks old .. but again, the kicker for me that convinces me he is a scam artist is that he happens to have ANOTHER cigarette case which apparently belonged to a certain SS Maj. Gen. Hermann Priess, who the seller ALSO is not familiar with.

Now tell me what the chances are of:
a) someone who sells militaria professionally not knowing who 2 major, major figures of WW2 are.

and b) "accidentally" stumbling upon 2 (not 1 but 2) cigarette cases belonging to said major ww2 figures.

Next, I'm sure he will be selling Eva Braun's underwear .... "oh i have heard of her .. isnt she some lady from the 30's or something??"

LOL...

If I could prove it i would report him

madrigal61
06-10-2005, 12:15 PM
Isn't the date format wrong? I thought the Germans used DD MM YYYY
In that case it would be November 4, 1940????

MeJoe
06-10-2005, 12:23 PM
For whatever this is worth:

My dad was in the Navy during WWII. After the war he spent some time in Europe. When he came home he brought with him several "high quality" cigarette cases. NONE of these cases used elastic at all. Instead they used long, light but VERY sturdy matal "SPRINGS" to hold the cigarettes in.

The springs were somewhat akin to a modern very thin metal expansion band found on expensive ladies watches.

I have no doubt that "cheap" cigarette cases from back then used elastic but would it be used on a case of a quality to be presented to a famous U-Boat Capatin?
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Originally posted by Faamecanic:
I also love how the "elastic" bands are pretty, white, and NEW looking on these "antique" cases.

First off... that elastic would have rotted away by now. ... humm...maybe not...I was thinking of how my underware elastic only lasts about 1 yr... but thats with my corrosive bodily gasses always being around it

Second... did they even have elastic back in those days??

I smell a rat...
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GT182
06-10-2005, 12:33 PM
Gee.... I live in northern NY and have some swampland in New Jersey to sell. I wonder if he'll trade?

I don't buy it... it looks like a reproduction to me. All it lacks if the word Phoney engraved on it. LOL
Buyer beware is the rule to follow.

EDIT:

Read this link...... http://ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/online/auctions.htm

Faamecanic
06-10-2005, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by The_Third_Half:
You might want to check the color on your monitor, they look pretty yellow, and dingy to me.
Again, i don't know if it actually belonged to said skipper, but that cig case itself is old.

I was thinking of the Panzer commanders cig case... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif the elastic looks awful white here (but then again someone could have replaced/added the elastic)

http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/40/da/65_0.JPG

either way...you taking this ebay sellers word as to its authenticity (600 pouns now!! wow)

howlar1
06-10-2005, 01:25 PM
I just waiting to bid on hitler pencil box.

The_Third_Half
06-10-2005, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Faamecanic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Third_Half:
You might want to check the color on your monitor, they look pretty yellow, and dingy to me.
Again, i don't know if it actually belonged to said skipper, but that cig case itself is old.

I was thinking of the Panzer commanders cig case... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif the elastic looks awful white here (but then again someone could have replaced/added the elastic)

http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/40/da/65_0.JPG

either way...you taking this ebay sellers word as to its authenticity (600 pouns now!! wow) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I didn't say it was authentic, and i didn't say i believed it was. I said that the case it'self is pretty old, whether it's actualy Otto's or not.
Honestly, i think the case was produced between 1950 and 1955. Which would make it old, and fake.

MrBiz
06-12-2005, 05:20 AM
Yep, your right, ive been studying germany from 1918 to 1945 and the properganda lettering would look very old fasioned, i dont know the technical name.