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Copperhead310th
01-17-2007, 08:30 PM
ok So i have this new drinking buddy. one of my cutomers. (i'm doing sales and delivery of welding supplies,machines, & industrial gasses now) And so i'm around a lot of welders, & fabricators, manufactoring Plants, mills, machine shops & body shops which gives me the chance to hook up with a lot of new cool ppl.

So anyway me anda couple guys at a local shop got to talking about P-51's and that lead to sims ect ect. so i hit em up with a challnge. we're going to try and fab a home biult P-47 replica cockpit from alauminum. Sice one of these guys in the conversation was the shop OWNER, who's uncle actually flew a p-47 as it turns out, has agreed to let uss use the laser table and put the shop at our disposale. provided we clean up, it doesn't interfear with buisness, and we split all materials cost amongst the group. (something was mentiond about selling these online if it turns out right, but i doun't care i'm getting free shop time & labor! lol)

So basically what i'm looking for is ideas and referances on home built pits. nothing too fancy, wood or metal wil do. the plan is working gages and a panel, but nothing as seriouse as those MSFSX geeks build.just something that will go nice with THIS sim.

An example would be the IL-2 Replica pit that 1c:Maddox uses at flight sim shows. (the one Ilya is sitting in) pics of that would be great. Something along those lines.

If it woeks out well on the p-47 pit we'll try a Bf-109, FW-190, P-51, P-38, or a Spitfire next.

also could use a lot of P-47 referance pics. mostly of the cockpit area internal & external.

i'll keep you posted as this develops. right now it's just a few guys Bullsh*tting around a machine shop. but i need the referances before we cando anything other than BS.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

p-11.cAce
01-17-2007, 08:39 PM
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/aufbau16cols21.gif
When I find this guys URL I'll get it posted - pretty sweet '109 pit.

Copperhead310th
01-17-2007, 10:38 PM
thanks<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

VV_Holdenb
01-18-2007, 01:50 AM
Hi Copperhead,

Heres some links to keep u going http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/3821084134

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/419...=420101816#420101816 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/419109716?r=420101816#420101816)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/holdenbj/bhsig.jpg

Waldo.Pepper
01-18-2007, 03:08 AM
I remember years ago someone in Finland (I think it was Finland) cut the cockpit off of a Fouga Magister and mounted his computer and monitor in it in his living room.

It was pretty sweet, but sadly I cannot find the link any more. I sure hope the link is still up.

This is probably the ultimate sim pit. (Click on construction)

http://www.simpit.net/<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/sig/p61rev.jpg

Eagle_361st
01-18-2007, 03:13 AM
Contact me through PM, as you might know I have some P-47 references including cockpit pictures. And I would be VERY interested in one of these cockpits if it was not out of my humble price range.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

~S!
Eagle
Official P-47N whiner!

Vanderstok
01-18-2007, 04:33 AM
This one is (one of) the best...

http://www.finestart.de/D9/d9-mainframe.htm

The CRT monitor looks a bit off though... He should close the cockpit and install a beamer!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mauld
01-18-2007, 05:35 AM
Try this site http://www.simhardware.org/

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-18-2007, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Vanderstok:
This one is (one of) the best...

http://www.finestart.de/D9/d9-mainframe.htm

The CRT monitor looks a bit off though... He should close the cockpit and install a beamer!

I gotta agree Vanderstock. I've seen this one a few times and the level of detail and quality of workmanship seem to be top-notch all the way.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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oFZo
01-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vanderstok:
This one is (one of) the best...

http://www.finestart.de/D9/d9-mainframe.htm

The CRT monitor looks a bit off though... He should close the cockpit and install a beamer!

I gotta agree Vanderstock. I've seen this one a few times and the level of detail and quality of workmanship seem to be top-notch all the way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Originally posted by The guy who built that pit:
Wenn ich mal ein bischen mehr Geld hab, werde ich natürlich auf Beamer umstellen. Dann kommt an die Stelle einfach eine stilvolle Cockpitbar, lol...

When he has the money he'll get a beamer, he says. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Copperhead310th
01-18-2007, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Contact me through PM, as you might know I have some P-47 references including cockpit pictures. And I would be VERY interested in one of these cockpits if it was not out of my humble price range.

Thanks Shawn. wiil do.
lomg time no see by the way. Ball and chain keeping a tight leash on ya these day lol<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

Copperhead310th
01-18-2007, 07:02 PM
Thanks guys

Now some of these are a little to much. think Simple. Anything with trim wheels ain't gonna happen at this stage. 1st one will be just a basic pit with intrument panel for device link. Not a lot of bells & whistles. but will be made of metal or at least skined in metal and LOOK like a real aircraft pit from the outside.
But any references will help.

and the rocket is cool. i like it. but it's a lttle too big and heavy. far too cumbersome.

one idea wev'e kicked around is having it Split into right down the middle and attach useing sliding rails to make it more porteble.
Portable is why the aker-Barnes pits are so popular.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

Skinwehr
01-18-2007, 10:37 PM
I really, really like the 190 pit.

I work for a video game company and in whatever little free time I have, I am also an amateur machinist. Recenty, I have been kicking the idea around the idea of machining a real high quality replica 109 or 190 (havent decided yet) throttle setup to use with my flight simming.

I am collecting reference information on LW fighter throttles. (I'm also staking out E-bay for a real one).

My intent is, If the throttle setup works, then I'll make a replica stick too, and then maybe pedals.

Now, I noticed that you mentioned working instruments. How do you intend to do that? Is there a way to make that work in the IL2 engine?
I have seen the stepper motor driven instruments for MSFS, but not for fighters.

I have a collection of ORIGONAL Luftwaffe instruments. I have a boost gauge, A Tach, an artificial horizon, An air-speed indicator (with 2 needles) and an anzeigergerät AFN2. If you need me to give you precise measurements from them or detailed descriptions for replication, I'd be happy to help out.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Diablo310th
01-19-2007, 06:31 AM
morning Lee....wow I love that idea. You know that T-Bolt and I both use Akers-Barnes pits. You could use some of it's ideas to incorporate into it. I'll look into some other links I have and post them. Great idea tho..I would love to ahve a Jug pit.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Vanderstok
01-19-2007, 12:49 PM
Well if you want a portable simpit, here's mine. It is constructed of several components you can just plug into each other...

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/vanderstok/Simpit/<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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p-11.cAce
01-19-2007, 01:08 PM
No one will ever top this simpit - it is the best I've ever seen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif 1940's flight sim (http://www.simpit.net/)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/rocketapp5.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/rocketcontrols.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/rocketfinished_power_quadrant.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/controls_copy.jpg

SPLASH_1
01-19-2007, 02:24 PM
The Ultimate: IMHO

spitfire simpit (http://www.simhardware.org/index.html)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/POLISH_PILOT/wellington_1.jpg

p-11.cAce
01-19-2007, 02:32 PM
Also a very good one - i had not checked their site for awhile. Converting all those original instruments is going to be tough!

Spinnetti
01-19-2007, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Vanderstok:
This one is (one of) the best...

http://www.finestart.de/D9/d9-mainframe.htm

The CRT monitor looks a bit off though... He should close the cockpit and install a beamer!

Freaking amazing....

Sokol__1
01-19-2007, 05:28 PM
Mig3 (WIP):

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9527/coc3es2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1513/image01287am4.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image01287am4.jpg)
http://forum.sukhoi.ru/showthread.php?t=27598

Sokol1

Sokol__1
01-19-2007, 06:20 PM
Skinwehr,

I have the same idea that you, but I do not have the tools...

FW-190 area a natural choice, this pit is 'modern': lateral consoles, commands by buttons, aka: flaps, gear.

Perhaps these links can be useful:

Knüppelgriff KG13 replica - http://www.mfca.de/htm/kg13.htm

FW190/Me109 pedals:

http://www.ala11.com/imagenes/pedals.zip

Plans for FW190 sim pit:

http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=121928

Sokol1

Copperhead310th
01-19-2007, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Vanderstok:
Well if you want a portable simpit, here's mine. It is constructed of several components you can just plug into each other...



that is perfect! ding ding ding. Ladies and gents we have a winner! IMO much better than the AB pit. and with the wooden construction it will be very portable. We'll just skin it in thin Aluminum and Rivits. the shape is right. if we use all meTAL CONSTRUCTION it would be far too heavy.

Vanderstok, can you send me all your pictures of this pit? I'd like to make one amnd try skining it in Alumninum. Also a matrieals list and any dementions/ mesurements you have for the cuts.

only thing i would change is i have a HUGE monitor. 32" wide screed flatpanel. instead of using a table i'd build up a stand onthe front of the pit so i could have the monitor about where yous is in this pic.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/vanderstok/Simpit/simpit_19012007.jpg


Also have you thought about doing a matching seat section? that chair wouldn't quit cut it for long. Something say the same size and shape for a seat that could just but up to the existing pit, and when your done just slide it back. (i'm thinking casters of somekind.

my othoer question is do those gauges work or are they just static? Device link?

well that's it. i found it. i want this one and we're going to skin it in metal. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

Copperhead310th
01-19-2007, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Skinwehr:
I really, really like the 190 pit.


Now, I noticed that you mentioned working instruments. How do you intend to do that? Is there a way to make that work in the IL2 engine?
I have seen the stepper motor driven instruments for MSFS, but not for fighters.



Well there's this think called device link in il-2 and i belevie in the M$ sims as well, that will run the guages for you. but i think these are special gauged that are USB not the actual ones from a real aircraft. They may make replica USB guages, i dunno. would be VERY cool if they did. Device link is the pet project of one of the TX Squadron guys. he'd know more about Device Link than i do. it's sorta his baby. can't remember wich TX it was. but it's one of em.i wanna say TX-Zen but i may be wrong.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

TopGunBkk
01-19-2007, 09:47 PM
WHY STOP THERE
BUILD IT 100% AND FLY IT

RAF74_Raptor
01-20-2007, 01:29 AM
Copperhead ol friend if you build a spit pit I would be very intrestred in purchasing

Vanderstok
01-20-2007, 02:46 AM
Copperhead,

All the photos I have are on my photobucket account, but I could make some more if you like. I have a 3d max file with the design, I could make some drawings from it, although I have made some changes along the way. I learned that getting ergonomics right is quite difficult so the dimensions and relative positions of stick, throttle, pedals, chair and monitor is very important. I'll do some measurements for you.

About the pit: My design goals were:

1. easy to build

I chose for a FW-190 look-a-like because of it's modern and clean looks and simple layout (see Sokol_1's post). I made the decision not to build an exact replica, because it will take 10 times as much time (and I do like to do other things besides simpit building/flying!)
I chose a wooden construction because I do not have the tools to process metal.

2. portable/easy to deconstruct

I made the simpit component based. In fact, I first made the dash (so you could put it on a table) and the simpit followed later. This is really useful. I just moved house and had everything setup again within half an hour!

3. small

I don't have a spare room available so it had to fit into my study. This is why I didn't put a chair in, so I can use my deskchair or other "normal" chair. It may not look as good as a complete enclosed cockpit, but you don't notice it when you're flying and you can use a very comfortable chair. Ofcourse, I have been thinking about a simpit chair "addon" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The instruments are not functional. Well, in fact one is, and that is the clock I built in http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I always fly with cockpit "on" so I don't see the use of having duplicate gauges in my simpit yet. It would ofcourse be another story if I had a beamer setup and I would fly with cockpit "off". The front panel I have is based on the FW-190 bottom panel. If I'm going to use gauges I will build another panel on top of my existing panel where all the devicelink stuff would come...

About switches and stuff: this was all fairly easy, although I had to learn some soldering. All my switches are momentary switches except for a selector knob which gives one button more functions (bombs, rockets, drop tanks). They are connected to a USB joystick controller I ordered via the internet: http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/joystick/

The stick and throttle are old Thrustmaster types with gameport connection. I bought them second-hand for just a few bucks. It's very easy to connect them to an USB joystick controller.

The pedals are based on this design:
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/cessrud.htm<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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You can't fight in here....this is the War Room!!

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Copperhead310th
01-20-2007, 07:29 AM
Drawings would be fantastic! (imperial mesurements please if at all possible if not we'll make metric work) i like the idea of a wooden fram skined in metal. keeps the cost low yet add something to it.

Check your private maeesages. i'll leave you my Email there.if couldjust throw every thing you've got into a zip file for me i'd be very greateful. and i'll keep you posted on the progress.

@ RAF74_Raptor:
I don't think i really want to take some one elses desighn and go into any kind of production with out their expressed written consent. and at this stage we're just doing the one for me. and after that we may improve and add our own ideas and expand on what's being done on the prodject in stages.
the good thing is, it doesnt have to be an exact replica. just a look alike from asthtetic point of view. In getting with some guys from one of the auto body shops i service and getting ideas there & help. Bondo is a wonderfull thing and a paint booth with a skilled painter could make it LOOK like a spitfrie of, p-47, or fw-190 with out actually having the be shaped that way. Another key thing to keep in mind is being light and portable. it's should assymble with ease and be mobils, keeping the weight down to a min is important. it also reduces the cost to build. As for the wireing that's were me haveing been an Electrician for most of my adult life ocmes in handy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

@ TopGunBkk: get out of my thread noob. Enjoy posting here while you can, cause your gonna get banned any time now soon as the mods see the trash you've posted. (makes one of my off the wall rants look rather tame. lol)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://home.cogeco.ca/~jkinley/ubisig.jpg
Former CO of 310thVFS, (Retired) now part time
190 jock & full time target drone for JG27
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//2006-02-23_012924_pilot11.gif Flying on line as JG27_Copperhead

|^^^^^^^^^^^^|
| JG27_Copperhead | '|""";.., ___.
|_..._...______===|= _|__|..., ] |
"(@ )'(@ )""""*|(@ )(@ )*****(@
"Keep on Truck'n!"

NHawk52
01-20-2007, 08:49 AM
Copperhead; Check your PM's Sir. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Philipscdrw
01-20-2007, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Skinwehr:
I really, really like the 190 pit.

I work for a video game company and in whatever little free time I have, I am also an amateur machinist. Recenty, I have been kicking the idea around the idea of machining a real high quality replica 109 or 190 (havent decided yet) throttle setup to use with my flight simming.

I am collecting reference information on LW fighter throttles. (I'm also staking out E-bay for a real one).

My intent is, If the throttle setup works, then I'll make a replica stick too, and then maybe pedals.

Now, I noticed that you mentioned working instruments. How do you intend to do that? Is there a way to make that work in the IL2 engine?
I have seen the stepper motor driven instruments for MSFS, but not for fighters.

I have a collection of ORIGONAL Luftwaffe instruments. I have a boost gauge, A Tach, an artificial horizon, An air-speed indicator (with 2 needles) and an anzeigergerät AFN2. If you need me to give you precise measurements from them or detailed descriptions for replication, I'd be happy to help out.

You can get instrument data out of FB using DeviceLink. So you build your instruments, figure out how to control them with software, then use DeviceLink to connect Il-2 to the programs you've written to control the instruments you've made.

I've added a second monitor to my PC, and that's as far as I intend to go - it means I can have TeamSpeak open on the second screen, along with a screenshot of the briefing page.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Boandlgramer
01-20-2007, 11:35 AM
Maybe you find a few useful stuff here . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
http://www.aeropit.homepage.t-online.de/mediac/450_0/media/aero-ansicht.jpg
http://www.aeropit.homepage.t-online.de/mediac/450_0/media/aero2.jpg
http://www.aeropit.homepage.t-online.de/mediac/450_0/media/aeropit10.jpg
http://www.aeropit.homepage.t-online.de/mediac/450_0/media/cowling2.jpg

WWSensei
01-20-2007, 11:42 AM
mikesflightdeck.com is a good starting resource for sim pit building. From designs to re-using gauges and such.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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