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Chuck_Older
01-25-2005, 03:54 PM
Not current maps, those I can find easy. Circa 1942 maps online, now those I haven't found yet

Jambock__01
01-25-2005, 05:44 PM
Bump for Kunming map!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

heywooood
01-25-2005, 06:15 PM
You-nan got one big Burmpa Kunming from me.

bigchump
01-25-2005, 06:38 PM
All I can find is a map called "One World - One War" from 1942. You can find it here:
http://historicals.ncd.noaa.gov/historicals/histmap.asp

This link has some small maps and history from 1942:
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/burma42/burma42.htm

S!
bigchump

woofiedog
01-26-2005, 02:17 AM
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Links:
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/map/yunnan/kunming/index.htm
http://www.travelpost.com/AS/China/Yunnan/Kunming/map/5573959

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/72-38.htm

Map: Japanese Plan- December 1941
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/map1.JPG

Map: The Salween Campaign 11 May- 30 June 1944
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/map2.JPG

Map: ICHIGO Plan
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/map3.JPG

Map: End of the Salween Campaign 3 November 1944- 27 January 1945
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/map4.JPG

Map: The Chihchiang Campaign 8 April- 7 June 1945
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/map5.JPG

woofiedog
01-26-2005, 03:03 AM
**** Rossi
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/rossi/rossi1.htm

The loud noise of my engine had alerted the ground crew causing a crew chief to immediately jump into another plane and start it up. By the time I could roll to a stop, they were taking my baggage to the other plane. I crawled out of the cockpit, grabbed my parachute and ran over to the other plane. By this time, the other seven planes were out of sight. Bob Neale had the only map; however we had been given a mimeographed sheet that showed a couple of rivers, a tall mountain and some magnetic headings.

Chuck_Older
01-26-2005, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woofiedog:
**** Rossi
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/rossi/rossi1.htm

The loud noise of my engine had alerted the ground crew causing a crew chief to immediately jump into another plane and start it up. By the time I could roll to a stop, they were taking my baggage to the other plane. I crawled out of the cockpit, grabbed my parachute and ran over to the other plane. By this time, the other seven planes were out of sight. Bob Neale had the only map; however we had been given a mimeographed sheet that showed a couple of rivers, a tall mountain and some magnetic headings. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks

trouble is, I found all that stuff. The map is Kunming today, not in 1942

Catandra
01-26-2005, 06:03 AM
Hey Chuck,

Here's an even more basic question. Is it possible to import maps into PF other than those that ship with the sim? Sorry if it's a dumb question. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'd like to see some of the Philippines and Indonesia. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Chuck_Older
01-26-2005, 07:21 AM
It's not possible for me to introduce new maps into the sim

The map making software is complex, unavailable, and in Russian http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm not talking about an online map for the sim, I am talking about a real map of the real place, around 1942, not a dogfight map or whatever- the real thing

Balaton will be my 'Kunming' map. It's the best I can get

What I want to do is make sure my 'Kunming' has at least a few prominent landmarks the real place had.

Chuck_Older
01-26-2005, 12:10 PM
I should elaborate a bit-

I'm making an AVG campaign.

The AVG disbanded on July 4th, 1942. My campaign will cover from December 23rd 1941, to July 4th 1942. A lot of folks get confused about when the AVG ceased to exist, because their planes flew on in paint schemes almost identical to that they wore when they were AVG planes, they even retained the flying tiger decal, but most were modified by plaing an Uncle Sam tophat on the tiger, and it was crashing through a Chinese roundel, but they also carried USAAF insignia

Most AVG pilots didn't sign onto the army, but a lot of them did stay in military service, and not a few became transport pilots, flying C-46s and similar craft over the "hump" in northern Burma, from India to Kunming, since the Burma Road was closed by the Jpanese. So many AVG pilots recount stories about later in '42 and beyond, but they weren't in the AVG at the time

Kunming was considered not the best place for much of Chinese history. It was the stereotype of a Chinese city for a long time- dirty, crowded, confusing, pehpas a bit of a backwater, even though a Provincial capital. Many Chinese officials felt service in Kunming was not a reward, for a long time

The Kunming of current maps is not the Kunming of WWII, as near as I can tell, the city has been drastically modernised compared to 63 years ago

With the Balaton map, I can cover two important elements of Kunming-
1) It's situated next to a large lake

2) it's on a plateau

There's a large concrete airbase in the Balaton map next to a town, with other towns nearby. The airfield is on a distinct plateau, as is much of it's neighboring town. That's my Kunming

But the town is hopelessly Russian. I need to give my Kunming Chinese flavor. I can do that with objects I have now, but knowing where to put them is my problem. i want to be able to at least approximate the location af some prominent buildings in my Kunming.

All the info offered so far is great, and I appreciate it. That means you, Woofie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know that some of that stuff took a bit of finding; it took me some time to find them, too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif But 1942 Kunming eludes me.

I have to make so many concessions to the reality of what the sim offers, that I am taking pains to do some other things as right as I can. Somebody somewhere knows what the lay-out was of Kunming in '42. Somebody's got an aerial photo, too, I know it. I just can't find it

Catandra
01-26-2005, 12:32 PM
Chuck,

...just curious but...why are you starting the campaign at so late a date? I think the AVG was active for several years before that, weren't they? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Chuck_Older
01-26-2005, 12:45 PM
AVG trained at Toungoo, Burma starting around or just before September 15th, 1941

Their first action was December 20th, 1941, in Southern China, conducted by 1st and 2nd Squadrons

3rd Squadron, which will be the squadron the player is in, moved to Rangoon on December 12th, 1941, and had it's first action on December 23rd 1941 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The player will actually fly two missions before December 23rd, but combat doesn't take place until the 23rd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Unfortnately, their big Christmas Day action is something I am leaving out; they fought over 80 bombers. There is at least one mission with over 40 enemies, and about a dozen friendlies, though, which plays very smoothly; I'm quite happy with it.