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SeaFireLIV
11-16-2007, 05:53 PM
Well, that`s what I thought it was when it first came out, until I heard it was about Sparta.

All red-blooded men should watch this film - and women who like red-blooded men too!

A man`s movie. And if you don`t watch it, you ain`t a Man!!

Divine-Wind
11-16-2007, 05:56 PM
THIS IS SPARTAAAAA

SeaFireLIV
11-16-2007, 06:02 PM
Seriously my kinda movie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/tear.jpg

Divine-Wind
11-16-2007, 06:05 PM
I saw this one parody of 300, with hijackers and a plane, but I forgot where I found it. I know it was funny though... "Then tonight, we dine in Cleveland!!!"

SeaFireLIV
11-16-2007, 06:13 PM
Maybe I`ll see it one day.

300 just reminds me so much of some of the stuff i do- here`s another example!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/TerrorofWar.jpg

bigbossmalone
11-16-2007, 06:48 PM
Hey Seafire - congrats on your 7000th post!
another milestone, to be sure! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
11-16-2007, 07:58 PM
I've never seen 309.............Is it better then 300? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Loco-S
11-16-2007, 08:06 PM
scary shtuff...he he he:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7qKD-Ph7ds

R_Target
11-16-2007, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I've never seen 309.............Is it better then 300? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Yup. Almost as good as 310.

willyvic
11-16-2007, 09:32 PM
Ya got that right. Nothing beats the 310.

WV

Waldo.Pepper
11-16-2007, 09:32 PM
Robot Chicken FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIoxuL3-RhI

Divine-Wind
11-16-2007, 09:38 PM
315 is even better.

VW-IceFire
11-16-2007, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I've never seen 309.............Is it better then 300? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Its 9 better of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-16-2007, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
315 is even better.

Obviously you haven't seen 316. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

GAU-8
11-16-2007, 11:20 PM
310, or 380..


your choice, and nuffin is bettah http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

nice one vic!

Jasko76
11-17-2007, 02:01 AM
300 is allright, but it could have been made a bit different - less CGI and more real landscapes. Still can't beat the Gladiator. I love the THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA bit.

HotelBushranger
11-17-2007, 02:08 AM
Are you kidding? 300 dominates Gladiator, maybe not for characters but for all round sheer enjoyment/entertainment. If your a man, as Seafire says http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Vipez-
11-17-2007, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Are you kidding? 300 dominates Gladiator, maybe not for characters but for all round sheer enjoyment/entertainment. If your a man, as Seafire says http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well that's just a matter of opinion. I liked Gladiator more (and so does the majority of people in IMDB: 300 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416449/) Gladiator (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/)


300 is sure fun to watch, esspecially if you watch it on HDTV. IMHO these two movies can't be compared as they are so different. 300 is simply a visual movie made to please one's eye. And it does it fairly well. What is more important, to portray a fictional setting for the sake of giving people a mind blowing visual experience or to amuse and amaze them with clever plot twists and intelligent dialogs?

SeaFireLIV
11-17-2007, 06:44 AM
This isn`t really a thread about which film is best. IMHO the 2 are different in that the Spartans are a sort of `babarian` dedicated soldier and Romans in gladiater are more `civilised` in attitude.

I think Sparta conveys the very hard male society that existed in those times (and to some extent the hard women needed too). A society that would`ve been seen as more draconian and `crazy` than other nearby Greek societies - which were by today`s standards quite hard as well.

On realism, there are certain aspects which have been hammed up. For example the Immortals are defined as some kind of muted men? No.

The giant Xerxes and the giant crazed man in chains I can take as tall, deep voiced people did (and do) still exist. Though i`m pretty sure XerXes wasn`t that tall or even looked like the film rendition.
In this regard, Gladiator wins in the down to earth depiction of realism imho. Kingdom of heaven is also more realistic too.

But Sparta wins because its SPARTA!

There aren`t really words for Sparta except maybe it just rekindled that indescribable remnant of an ancient barbarian-male that still exists in me somewhere... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

yawn.

Divine-Wind
11-17-2007, 10:06 AM
The difference between 300 and Gladiator is that 300 was based off a very stylized graphic comic about the Battle of Thermopylae, and is meant to be more of an actiony-slasher-thing, which it is good at being.
Gladiator, on the other hand, actually had a story. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Not saying that 300 doesn't, but mostly it's centered on the action scenes and CGI, which I think it pulls off very nicely. Don't take anything in 300 as realistic without taking a shaker of salt, except for maybe some of the characters.

By the way, I wouldn't really call Kingdom of Earth very realistic... Maybe next to 300. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

DuxCorvan
11-17-2007, 10:42 AM
Seafire, as a historian and art lover, my opinion about 300 is this:

Artistic value: 10/10 -A stunning visual achievement, violence made epic poetry.
Entertainment: 6/10 -Exciting but flat-minded.
Historical accuracy: 1/10 -CR*P. It almost made me vomit. I just don't know where to start, so I won't. Pure fiction. Except names and very generic facts, this is just the comic mag it is. And no, Xerxes didn't look at all like the panzy NBA punk in the film.
Ideological values: Ehem. This thing would have made an excellent Goebbels production. Even aesthetics are disturbingly similar to the official 3rd Reich art imagery. The message is: "Let's kick a$s among those evil deformed freaks and colored eastern people in their degenerated lust for submission and weak decadence". Ironic truth is, that Spartans were anything but the paladins of freedom. There was no more oppressing society in history than Sparta, a small nation of land owners which had to renounce to art and progress so they could be tough enough to keep a million public slaves under their rule.

I think you're a bit spoiled by the macho 'barbarian' characters of the comics you like so much -and draw so well.

Korolov1986
11-17-2007, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I think you're a bit spoiled by the macho 'barbarian' characters of the comics you like so much -and draw so well.

I think he's just been listening to the Village People too much.

SeaFireLIV
11-17-2007, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Seafire, as a historian and art lover, my opinion about 300 is this:

Artistic value: 10/10 -A stunning visual achievement, violence made epic poetry.
Entertainment: 6/10 -Exciting but flat-minded.
Historical accuracy: 1/10 -CR*P. It almost made me vomit. I just don't know where to start, so I won't. Pure fiction. Except names and very generic facts, this is just the comic mag it is. And no, Xerxes didn't look at all like the panzy NBA punk in the film.
Ideological values: Ehem. This thing would have made an excellent Goebbels production. Even aesthetics are disturbingly similar to the official 3rd Reich art imagery. The message is: "Let's kick a$s among those evil deformed freaks and colored eastern people in their degenerated lust for submission and weak decadence". Ironic truth is, that Spartans were anything but the paladins of freedom. There was no more oppressing society in history than Sparta, a small nation of land owners which had to renounce to art and progress so they could be tough enough to keep a million public slaves under their rule.

I think you're a bit spoiled by the macho 'barbarian' characters of the comics you like so much -and draw so well.

Fair enough. And true my comics art background may lend a pseudo-fascist element to my artwork... Though I never actually think about it to that extent. Annoying how people try to read your character and get it twisted about.

But it`s all in the best possible taste!

Seriously though, I understand what you`re saying, but do i regret it? Not one bit. If that sort of stuff(plus sexy women) is what keeps me drawing and painting then on it will go! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

fordfan25
11-17-2007, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well, that`s what I thought it was when it first came out, until I heard it was about Sparta.

All red-blooded men should watch this film - and women who like red-blooded men too!

A man`s movie. And if you don`t watch it, you ain`t a Man!! if you watch and like that movie you are a man. a man who loves men. half necked bearded guys running around ........ right and thay say top gun was fruity

MEGILE
11-17-2007, 11:44 AM
I didn't watch it.

I'm no mans man

fordfan25
11-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
I didn't watch it.

I'm no mans man BS i can smell the popcorn on your breath lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

joeap
11-17-2007, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Seafire, as a historian and art lover, my opinion about 300 is this:

Artistic value: 10/10 -A stunning visual achievement, violence made epic poetry.
Entertainment: 6/10 -Exciting but flat-minded.
Historical accuracy: 1/10 -CR*P. It almost made me vomit. I just don't know where to start, so I won't. Pure fiction. Except names and very generic facts, this is just the comic mag it is. And no, Xerxes didn't look at all like the panzy NBA punk in the film.
Ideological values: Ehem. This thing would have made an excellent Goebbels production. Even aesthetics are disturbingly similar to the official 3rd Reich art imagery. The message is: "Let's kick a$s among those evil deformed freaks and colored eastern people in their degenerated lust for submission and weak decadence". Ironic truth is, that Spartans were anything but the paladins of freedom. There was no more oppressing society in history than Sparta, a small nation of land owners which had to renounce to art and progress so they could be tough enough to keep a million public slaves under their rule.

I think you're a bit spoiled by the macho 'barbarian' characters of the comics you like so much -and draw so well.

Dux, as a history lover and moreover someone of Greek heritage I couldn't agree more, Troy was pretty painful, Alexander was a bit better but still off the mark. Still I think we should be aware of what "freedom" meant for the Spartans and Greeks in general. It just meant freedom for their city-states from domination by a foreign empire, that's all. All the other stuff, even our modern concept of democracy were not part of the mindset back then.

@Seafire, I agree 100% with Dux, your ancient warrior art is splendid. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Divine-Wind
11-17-2007, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Seafire, as a historian and art lover, my opinion about 300 is this:

Artistic value: 10/10 -A stunning visual achievement, violence made epic poetry.
Entertainment: 6/10 -Exciting but flat-minded.
Historical accuracy: 1/10 -CR*P. It almost made me vomit. I just don't know where to start, so I won't. Pure fiction. Except names and very generic facts, this is just the comic mag it is. And no, Xerxes didn't look at all like the panzy NBA punk in the film.
Ideological values: Ehem. This thing would have made an excellent Goebbels production. Even aesthetics are disturbingly similar to the official 3rd Reich art imagery. The message is: "Let's kick a$s among those evil deformed freaks and colored eastern people in their degenerated lust for submission and weak decadence". Ironic truth is, that Spartans were anything but the paladins of freedom. There was no more oppressing society in history than Sparta, a small nation of land owners which had to renounce to art and progress so they could be tough enough to keep a million public slaves under their rule.

I think you're a bit spoiled by the macho 'barbarian' characters of the comics you like so much -and draw so well.
As I said, this movie was made more for entertainment than anything. Anyone who watches this film expecting realism is in for a shocker.