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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:54 PM
This fantastic 3 part interview with Golodnikov may have been posted before.( the best I've read for some time)



Contains interresting first hand info on following planes:



I-16 and hurricane

p40 kittyhawk and tomahawk

p39 and yaks

- - - - - - -- - - -

Here , direct links:

part 1

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm


part2

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part2.htm

part3

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part3.htm

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - -


If u prefer the russian version

http://www.airforce.ru/history/ww2/golodnikov/index.htm



Enjoy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 01:54 PM
This fantastic 3 part interview with Golodnikov may have been posted before.( the best I've read for some time)



Contains interresting first hand info on following planes:



I-16 and hurricane

p40 kittyhawk and tomahawk

p39 and yaks

- - - - - - -- - - -

Here , direct links:

part 1

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part1.htm


part2

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part2.htm

part3

http://airforce.users.ru/lend-lease/english/articles/golodnikov/part3.htm

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - -


If u prefer the russian version

http://www.airforce.ru/history/ww2/golodnikov/index.htm



Enjoy /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 03:37 PM
good stuff /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
thx

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 05:54 PM
The neat thing is the dude's idea of the later I~16s being competive with Fb109E given a good pilot. But that's the trick.



-- may have been posted before....

*bah* just ignore the old timer Noobs.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 06:59 PM
Whew! Read the whole thing. Thx for the post. This is good stuff.



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 07:05 PM
Very good read...........

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 08:14 PM
i played a i 16 campaign, and its more manoverable, and not that much slower
if u use cem to your advantage anyways /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:16 PM
Bump - this is a very nice read. It seems what we have in FB isn't too different from RL afterall!

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:18 PM
Quiet an eye opener for some performance charts lovers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:33 PM
sure, if you really want to believe anything a russian officer from WW2 has to say.. lol... wont catch me taking any of that stuff to heart...

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:40 PM
MGallun wrote:
- sure, if you really want to believe anything a
- russian officer from WW2 has to say.. lol... wont
- catch me taking any of that stuff to heart...
-
-

Nice position, will get you far /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:45 PM
I know it will, i mean, look at the commies... they are all gone... buhahahhahaha, mainly for over believing in the junk they made...

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:50 PM
MGallun wrote:
- I know it will, i mean, look at the commies... they
- are all gone... buhahahhahaha, mainly for over
- believing in the junk they made...
-
-

You must be a child of cold war, seriously brainwashed...it`s ok... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:54 PM
like iam going to worry about what you say anyways... crazyivan.. doh!!

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 10:58 PM
What amazes me the most...is inability of people to post under their real nicknames /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . Too much of reputation to lose? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:00 PM
real nickname? nickname for what?

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:03 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- What amazes me the most...is inability of people to
- post under their real nicknames

Don't know Ivan, I've posted this link several times before. This guy really might be someone new. Doesn't excuse him for being a **** though.
Cheers!

Haha - **** I couldn't say t w a t. Ok then, eejit.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:04 PM
Good stuff Dunk

Thanks for posting it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:14 PM
crazyivan1970, that's the opinion of a single pilot. He's not a test pilot, he did not even flew enemy equippment. A good pilot would never say that he flew on inferior planes.

What's funny is that this link posted each months gathers the same small group of strong believers. Bring some other arguments mate, this article does not prove anything. And what we have now in FB is just a parody of planes performance in real life.




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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:15 PM
MGallun wrote:
- I know it will, i mean, look at the commies... they
- are all gone... buhahahhahaha, mainly for over
- believing in the junk they made...
-
-

MGallun perhaps you should look at yourself and wonder if you haven`t become a mirror of what you say...

You probably won`t understand.
Eyewitness accounts are just that, but I think we`re all mature enough to sift the reality from personal bias, etc. It`s good to here from the pilots who were there. They should never be dismissed out of hand. Their witness adds to our collective knowledge!


Back to the point: This is an excellent an eye-opening post. It seems the I16 aren`t so different from FB after all. I haven`t finished reading it all, but he doesn`t mention anything about handlinf the neg-G characteristics of the plane... Then again Spitfire pilots tend not to either!



Message Edited on 10/09/0310:18PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:17 PM
Whatever, grow up, dont take these posts too much to heart... geeeeeeeeeez...

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:28 PM
Huck i can give you about 100 opinions of other russian pilots, will that make you believe me? I am trying to stay away from heated DM discussions when it comes to soviet AC. My reasonings are rather simple... i am russian and my opinions will not be relevant to many. I`v read... probably up to 100 memoirs , give or take...of soviet pilots... many of them biased to some point...and many like this interview.

Actually his position is much nicer towards P-40`S and he`s not really trashing Hurry, while others hated those two, especially Hurricane.
I just finished the book by one of the fighters @Baltic Sea ...he flew I-16 Type 26 all the way to early 1944 LOL... and scored 27 personal kills and 13 in group in that bird.. maybe it doesn`t mean anything.

In two books by Pokrishkin P-39 was given the highest regards, superior to anything VVS or LW has to offer all the way till early 44 where LA5FN went into mass production.

I have a slightly different approach to aircraft performance , maybe rather wierd... i base my conclusions in the middle between flight test data and opinions of those who`s life depended on it.

V!

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Message Edited on 10/09/0311:29PM by crazyivan1970

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:31 PM
Interesting, I'd read part one before but the rest is an eye opener.

So he's recalling events from a long time ago but it does'nt sound too biased to me, he has some quite derogatory coments on some Russian gear and he seems to remember allied engine deficiencies very painfully clearly.

If he were still inclined to take a Soviet line would he not make an effort to hide engineering deficiency.

Now we know why the British had such low regard for th P39 anyway.

As for the MiG, it seems it also was let down by a defective engine.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:31 PM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
.
-
- I have a slightly different approach to aircraft
- performance , maybe rather wierd... i base my
- conclusions in the middle between flight test data
- and opinions of those who`s life depended on it.
-
- V!

Sounds right to me! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:36 PM
N. G. Golodnikov (the I16 and Hurri pilot) also says of the English pilots who transferred their Hurris to them:


"Those Englishmen fought well!"


Brings a smile to my face/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 10/09/0310:37PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:43 PM
I've been to russia and I speak russian and I'm a student of russian history-yet I'm american-and I'm 7/8 Norwegian.


What's Ironic is that I fly in a LW squad because I love the planes, that doens't mean that their conquest was valid or even (philosophers still weap over the loss of souls) genocidally correct.

If you don't take these to heart, along with the horrors, epiphanies, and losses, of war then you are nothing more than a DOG.

Even Arisotole's prime moveer shed tears during this conflict.

You are pathetic MC

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:49 PM
Actually crazyivan, I find that article enjoyable too. But trying to prove the correctness of FB FM on pilot accounts is completely wrong. All good pilots say that they flew the best equipment. Whom would you believe?


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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:55 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- Actually crazyivan, I find that article enjoyable
- too. But trying to prove the correctness of FB FM on
- pilot accounts is completely wrong. All good pilots
- say that they flew the best equipment. Whom would
- you believe?

Obviously not you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:57 PM
I can tell you one thing Huck... to say that P-39, an american plane is superior to anything VVS has to offer takes serious ballzz back in those days. That simply means it had to be obvious....or Gulag will be there

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:06 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- I can tell you one thing Huck... to say that P-39,
- an american plane is superior to anything VVS has to
- offer takes serious ballzz back in those days. That
- simply means it had to be obvious....or Gulag will
- be there


That is not what this pilot says, and I don't think there was somebody that said that, simply because it was not true. P-39 was adopted by VVS because it was the only plane that could be offered on a LL contract in huge numbers. Performance was not a criteria, logistics were. At that time P-39 was just retired from british and american service, hence availability.

VVS needed badly replacements for its old and crippled fleet, after the first year of war.

Besides, I lived half my life under a communist regime, I might know something about it.


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Message Edited on 10/09/0306:09PM by Huckebein_FW

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:10 AM
No, this pilot didn`t say it... Pokrishkin did /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Buzz_25th
10-10-2003, 12:11 AM
Ivan,

Keep in mind. Huck would rather cut off his right arm than admit the P-39 was a good plane../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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ZG77_Nagual
10-10-2003, 12:13 AM
LOL - actually there are plenty o' vvs pilots who do say that.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:16 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Ivan,
-
- Keep in mind. Huck would rather cut off his right
- arm than admit the P-39 was a good plane..


No, not at allhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
P-39 was a decent plane, but I find very unpleasant that P-39 can easily outurn Gustavs, when in reality they had exactly the same turn rate (109 had also a slight turn radius advantage, given by stall speed).


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:18 AM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- LOL - actually there are plenty o' vvs pilots who do
- say that.

Yeah Nag, but they were saying it after the war... Pokrishkin said this to Lavochkin on test trials of LA5 lol... his constant reference to P-39 drove soviet designers insane hehe. Lavochkin actually was pi*sed at him for a while...but still give 100th regiment 5 LA5FNs for combat trials in the fall of 1943...and received highest regards for improved aircraft.

V!

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:19 AM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- LOL - actually there are plenty o' vvs pilots who do
- say that.

Name one russian pilot who says that P-39 was better than late generation of russian ww2 fighters (like La5FN/La7, Yak9U/3). Earlier russian planes were bad anyway.


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Buzz_25th
10-10-2003, 12:20 AM
Could be Huck. You'll just have to fly better to make up for it.

After all. The Germans were better pilots right?../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:21 AM
Someone take matches away from Buzz and call fire dpt. LOL

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:24 AM
crazyivan1970 wrote:
- ZG77_Nagual wrote:
-- LOL - actually there are plenty o' vvs pilots who do
-- say that.
-
- Yeah Nag, but they were saying it after the war...
- Pokrishkin said this to Lavochkin on test trials of
- LA5 lol... his constant reference to P-39 drove
- soviet designers insane hehe. Lavochkin actually
- was pi*sed at him for a while...but still give 100th
- regiment 5 LA5FNs for combat trials in the fall of
- 1943...and received highest regards for improved
- aircraft.


La5 had poor performance and overheated all the time. In fact the whole factory was almost closed after an inspection ordered by Yakovlev, because of very poor quality control of Laggs and Las.

In '43 the only good russian fighters were Yak1b/9. Laggs had a very poor reputation among the pilots, even after receiving the upgraded '43 model.

So give me a russian pilot who thought that P-39 was better than late russian fighters.


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Buzz_25th
10-10-2003, 12:26 AM
"So give me a russian pilot who thought that P-39 was better than late russian fighters."


The ones who survived the war. Probably quite a few.




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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:28 AM
Very interested that he stated that the .303 on the Hurricane can cut wings off German planes, You cant do that in FB, umm why is this?

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:32 AM
Wetwilly87 wrote:
- Very interested that he stated that the .303 on the
- Hurricane can cut wings off German planes, You cant
- do that in FB, umm why is this?
-

Yes, you can! I`ve done it a few times. Exactly as he described. Get on a bogey and fire a sustained burst for maybe a sec and the wing can come off!

I wasn`t gonna write and say, but when I saw this I decided to!

BTW: Interesting to note that the Hurricanes did have rockets. So they oughto be possible in FB.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:43 AM
Ive only done it once mabey in the Hurricane IIB but never in the IA, if you have done this send me the track, I would like to see a He-111 entire right wing come off, please send me, me need proof not words.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-10-2003, 12:59 AM
Well huck - actually what I read ws that they thought it equal.
It's all relative. Howevah - I don't think You are right about the turn radius. Unfortunately I am one of those infuriating people who refuses to provide documented proof. Partly this is because I don't buy documented proof as anything in particular in and of itself - and partly because my overall sense of context prevents my being sufficiently driven in this particular regard /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I will say that in the game - across most speed ranges - it seems to me the f4 and g6as turn fairly handily with the 39.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:09 AM
Huckebein_FW wrote:
- No, not at all/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
- P-39 was a decent plane, but I find very unpleasant
- that P-39 can easily outurn Gustavs, when in reality
- they had exactly the same turn rate (109 had also a
- slight turn radius advantage, given by stall speed).
-
-

Given by stall(or at any) speed, G2 can compete in turn with P-39.

Of course in FB.

Don't press Reply button. GG server aces were in P-39. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

My friend 'Moo' really enjoys turn fight with P-39 in G-2 in GG or TX server. (for sure they're well-known P-39 aces in the server. )


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:17 AM
I had some practice sawing off Yak3 wings with (1.1beta) Hurricane 0.303s, forgot which model though. But I started with altitude advantage and managed it against the Yak's turning. Eight of those guns must be collectively like the tiny teeth on a saw. All together now.

I~16 had big USA engine in small package, so it would explain why it was such a hot fighter if the pilot was great, and that's what the FB set never talk about. Now, where is SkyChimp?

ZG77_Nagual
10-10-2003, 01:18 AM
You know - I just remembered - I've got a few great tracks of dogfights vs Gustavs - in one in particular a g2 with pods does a very good job of staying with my 39, and outfighting me in the vertical until I turned the situ around with a risky semi vertical rudder turn. I fought a yak3 in in and f4 online - guys was pretty good too - someone else took him out but up till then I'd inflicted more damage - though I was badly outclassed in speed and roll I did well turning with him and when I managed to build some e in a dive I think the f4 may have been a little better fast.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 01:21 AM
"German specifications showed the theoretical speed"




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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 12:37 PM
Wetwilly87 wrote:


"Ive only done it once mabey in the Hurricane IIB but never in the IA, if you have done this send me the track, I would like to see a He-111 entire right wing come off, please send me, me need proof not words. "



Why would I lie?

No I have not a saved track of it and I`m not going to fly about trying to recreate it to prove it to you.

Also, in your earlier post you never mentioned that you were talking about the HE111, that`s changing the goalposts a bit, isn`t it? N.G. Golodnikov was talking about fighters and Stukas, not He111. I`ve never done it to a He111, but I`ll bet it`s possible.

Take a hurri up, concentrate on a defenceless plane and CONCENTRATE on the wing section with CONTINUOUS fire. It doesn`t happen every time, but get close enough (and I mean REALLY CLOSE, 100- 50 m) and shoot hard, the wing will come off.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:13 PM
Golodnikov mentions, several times through-out the text, one thing that seems to always go forgotten when comparing planes: acceleration. I've always like the early Russian fighters primarily because they pick of speed rapidly.

Being able to haul-a.s is one thing, but going from cruise to full speed quicker than your opponent will almost always net an advantage.

A common complaint from LW pilots is how RU aircraft can do a hard turn without bleeding energy. Well, they do bleed energy, its just that the RU aircraft are able to quickly change energy states due to thier excellent acceleration.

I also agree with him on the prop-pitch issues. I want to be able to work this all manually, and independantly, for the sake of acceleration (and deacceleration).

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed this interview.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:58 PM
Excellent interview...I don't think I've seen that before.

Regardless of what the guy is, what he did, and how it happened...he's just essentially recounting his wartime stories. I have or had several family members do the same to me and we've all probably seen interviews on the TV of pilots and soliders who fought in the war. Their stories aren't about spreading misinformation or debuking theories of teenagers or young adults who consult performance charts...they are just retelling their stories of horrific events that they witnessed. I know people like to argue back and forth about performances...so do I (the fact that 2 .50 cals was effective makes me think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but lets try and have a bit of understanding for the perspective here.

We should be listening intently...not because they give us accurate or inaccurate performance figures...but because its from people who were really there, ordinary people fighting in one of the biggest wars in human history.

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"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." - Winston Churchill

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 03:50 PM
MGallun wrote:
- I know it will, i mean, look at the commies... they
- are all gone... buhahahhahaha, mainly for over
- believing in the junk they made...
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With the junk they made they won the war!

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 04:17 PM
This was a very good interview, with a real life WW2 Vet. It is not about how planes in a video game perform. He may not know every last bit of technical data on every plane he flew against like a lot of the people here seem to. But he flew against them and survived. That in my opinion speaks for itself. The real story of WW2 is of the people who lived and died in it. If all we had was technical data from the equipment that people used we in reality would know very little about what actually happened. When people say it's the man not the machine they are absolutely correct, because with out the man the machine could not tell us what happened.

Regards
CCC402

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 06:02 PM
seaFire Debates wetwilly87::
-- Also, in your earlier post you never mentioned that you
-- were talking about the HE111, that`s changing the
-- goalposts a bit, isn`t it?

Its nice to see our politicians playing FB too! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:20 PM
Look how Golovnikov's flying career started. The most talented graduated of flying schools were kept as instructors: less than 100 hours cumulative in UTs and I 16s. Very few who actually were trained to fly MIGs and LaGGs. And those were really scarce human resources. Kozhedub for example was kept as an instructor till 1943! He joined his regimen without any combat experience!

I just wanted to note that at the beginning of war there were very few experienced pilots and they had to learn the hard way by going into battle. Read Kozhedub's memoirs about his first encounter with BF 109.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 07:34 PM
I enjoyed this interiew with Mr Golodnikov very much. The insight on the P-39, Hurricane, I-16, and P-40 answered a lot of quesions about the performance of these aircraft while being flown on the front lines. Mr Golodnikov has a very good memory and his answers were simple and to the point. I have read Red Phoenix, but maybe someone could help Mr.Golonikov in written a book. We have only a few good books out on the Soviet side of the war. Thank You for this interview. Any more in the future?

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 08:36 PM
Here is an accounting of IL2/FB performance by Cube:

http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=004181;p=


And this from the N.G. Golodnikov article:

"A. S. Nikolay Gerasimovich, how do you see the I-16 in comparison with the Bf-109F and FW-190?"

"The type-28 and -29 were arguably equal to the Bf-109F, perhaps a little bit behind. The remaining I-16 types, of course, were not even close. The F model appeared in the north in large numbers in November 1942. Before that time we saw primarily the E model. The I-16 type-28 and -29 fell behind the F model in maximum speed and vertical maneuver, but surpassed the F model in horizontal maneuver and armament. The F model was very capable in vertical maneuver. If he even thought you were going to catch him, the pilot gave it more throttle and broke away."

"The FW-190 appeared at approximately the same time as the Bf-109F, sometime in October 1942. It was a powerful fighter. The 190 surpassed the I-16 in every respect, perhaps, except horizontal maneuver. But by this time our Yaks and lend-lease P-40s and P-39s were arriving in large numbers."


According to IL2 compare the I-16 out climbs the FW from sea level up until 5,000 meters. Above 5,000 meters the FW then shows a higher climb rate than the I-16 when both fighters are at max throttle. The I-16 out climbs the 109F2 and the 109F4 below 2,000 meters also at max power.

Cube's comparison article illuminates the discrepency sighting this document:

"http://www.zmogausteises.lt/fb/029.jpg

According to the quote in the Golodnikov article the F model 109 pilots had an advantage in the vertical "If he even thought you were going to catch him, the pilot gave it more throttle and broke away." and "The 190 surpassed the I-16 in every respect, perhaps, except horizontal maneuver."

According to one climb performance document the I-16 when compared to the climb performance chart from IL2compare is given a healthy boost in climb performance. This possible overmodeling is also supported by references in the Golodnikov article.

I tend to put more weight into a fighter pilot's accounting of relative combat performance than documented test results simply because both accounts must rely upon a pilot to determine the data. The fighter pilot has more experience in relative performance capabilities. How can anyone have more experience in relative performance capabilities than someone who actualy flew the planes in combat? Before questioning the veracity of a person who managed to live through combat I suggest that they take a moment to consider what it takes to live through combat. It is quite possible that you may not find a more honest person.





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