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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:16 PM
I just installed the 1.11 latest patch. I was awaiting a fix related to Matrox Parhelia video cards that even Matrox has directly discussed with UBI/Maddox, about 5 months ago.

On the 1.0b patch I followed the readme directions on reporting bugs, and did so. I included full system info, description of the problem, and screenshots.

The problem is that in singlehead wide mode (ie. 2400x600 res), the zoom factor/POV is far too high. Zooming out to wide gets me gunsight mode, at best.

I've been a longtime advocate/enthusiast of this sim for a long time but no longer. FB has been a prolonged exercise in futility in my opinion. 1.0b caused me to stop playing, pending a further patch. Why? Well, the view situation for one, the sound for two, the waiting for three, and lastly, the fact that I couldn't run my scripted server anymore following 1.0bs release.

Sorry UBI, I'm not submitting another !@#$ing bug report since you obviously don't know what to do with them. The problem shouldn't have gotten past beta testing for the RETAIL version, nevermind the multiple patches you've messed up the delivery of.

Smarten up. The rest of you can flame all you want but this is a big thing for me, if only in principal.



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Message Edited on 09/09/03â 06:43PM by Dexmeister

Message Edited on 09/09/0309:57PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:16 PM
I just installed the 1.11 latest patch. I was awaiting a fix related to Matrox Parhelia video cards that even Matrox has directly discussed with UBI/Maddox, about 5 months ago.

On the 1.0b patch I followed the readme directions on reporting bugs, and did so. I included full system info, description of the problem, and screenshots.

The problem is that in singlehead wide mode (ie. 2400x600 res), the zoom factor/POV is far too high. Zooming out to wide gets me gunsight mode, at best.

I've been a longtime advocate/enthusiast of this sim for a long time but no longer. FB has been a prolonged exercise in futility in my opinion. 1.0b caused me to stop playing, pending a further patch. Why? Well, the view situation for one, the sound for two, the waiting for three, and lastly, the fact that I couldn't run my scripted server anymore following 1.0bs release.

Sorry UBI, I'm not submitting another !@#$ing bug report since you obviously don't know what to do with them. The problem shouldn't have gotten past beta testing for the RETAIL version, nevermind the multiple patches you've messed up the delivery of.

Smarten up. The rest of you can flame all you want but this is a big thing for me, if only in principal.



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Message Edited on 09/09/0309:57PM by Dexmeister

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:58 PM
I don't wish to flame you personally, but next time buy a gaming card--for gaming.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 05:58 PM
Unfortunately, you and the other Parahelia owner are low in priority.

The game is playable in other resolutions. It may not be the one you want to play in, but such is life.

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09-08-2003, 06:29 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 06:58 PM
The Parhelia isnt even a gaming card???

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:15 PM
The Parhelia kicks the crap out of Nvidia and ATI cards, for gaming, in my opinion, case closed. I run my sims on 3 21" monitors and don't foresee ever going back to a single monitor.

The problem with FB is an issue the game designers fail to fix, time and time again.

But, FB does work on my card in another mode, which is resolutions of 1920x480 up to 3840x1024. I just want the currently faulty mode to work too...

If you don't know about a Parhelia, how about keeping your "buy a gaming card" opinions to yourself until you're better informed.

Matrox Triple-head Supported Games:

http://www.matrox.com/mga/3d_gaming/surrgame.cfm


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:18 PM
MD_TOPGUN_YG wrote:
- The Parhelia isnt even a gaming card???


Not really, no.

It's a very high end desktop card that's capable of doing some gaming, but it's definitely not intended as a gaming card first and foremost.

Its cost is too high and the performance is too low compared to the competition for it to be considered a gaming card.

It's a nice card for what it is, but it's not for real gaming. Matrox cards never really have been.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:19 PM
He`ll be back. He won`t blow a 4000 ranking just over a graphics card hardly anyone`s ever heard of! And yes, get a new card. You`re going to have to eventually.

On another note. I understand your frustration, especially if you went through all the `bug-reporting` stuff.



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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:21 PM
The Parhelia is the best video card for flight simming if you ask me. It's far more advanced than anything Nvidia or ATI have out these days. It won't be getting replaced any time soon, and when it does it will be with the Parhelias next version.




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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:37 PM
Nice card. And wasn't it really the first one they made with gaming in mind. Too bad they're not very popular.


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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:38 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- The Parhelia is the best video card for flight
- simming if you ask me. It's far more advanced than
- anything Nvidia or ATI have out these days. It won't
- be getting replaced any time soon, and when it does
- it will be with the Parhelias next version.

Given that sims aren't as GPU dependant as other games, and if you happen to have 3 displays to use, I can see why you'd feel that way.

It's a great concept, there's no doubt about it. However, as they say, there's no free lunch, and unfortunately, Matrox cards are not generally regarded as good gaming cards. That means they tend to be rather off the wall when it comes to the gaming world, and I suspect they're not all that common in the 2D/business world anymore either.

The reality of that means that if you want to use equipment like that, you're going to have to accept that at times certain things aren't going to work, and may never work.

The more you diverge from the "mainstream" or average configuration, the more you can expect to run into problems like this.

Aside from a lack of immediate need to upgrade (and a lack of money at the moment), that's the main reason I haven't jumped over to an ATi card yet.

The value is there, and the hardware is impressive, but I still see people with ATi cards posting about display/driver issues for every game out there, yet I rarely, if ever see the same issues being posted by nVidia users.

ATi has improved significantly in the last few years, and the number and severity of problems with their drivers are rapidly decreasing, but they're still not there yet, and until they are, I won't be buying one.

It's the same reason why I didn't buy an AMD CPU until after they came out with the Athlon. In my opinion, it took them that long to get it "right". They were still cheaper than Intel before the Athlon, and in some respects better, in others, worse. In either case, I wasn't willing to put up with the compromise that came with the hardware.

In an ideal world, this wouldn't be an issue, and every bug or problem would be fixed ASAP and all would be good. In the real world, you have to accept that that's probably not going to happen, and based on that decide if the configuration you want is worth the trade offs you may have to make.

XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 07:50 PM
I thought Maxtor only made hard drives Dave /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 08:01 PM
Dave? As in Dave Dexmeister? Donald Duck? Willy Wonka? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-08-2003, 08:01 PM
Heuristic_ALgor wrote:
- I thought Maxtor only made hard drives Dave

You got it half right...Maxtor= drives Matrox=Special VC and other peripheral cards.

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Before you rag on Dex, remember. Dex, is kind of a front runner. He tries things and works with them at a lot of expense and time (of his own). He willing shares information as well.

If I had to $ to build a 3 monitor setup...I'd sure be having conversations with Dex.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:15 AM
A video card can have some excellent capabilities, but if it's not displaying the game you want to play correctly, then I would hesitate to say it's the best gaming card "hands down".

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:30 AM
When is FB going to be patched to work with my S3 Virge card?

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:43 AM
The parhelia ain't a virge.

Although I don't own the card, it irks me a great deal that Parhelia owners are being shafted like this. Both matrix and Maddox benefitted from positive PR from the 3 screen feature of the game, and I'm sure there would be a few people out there who've bought a very, very expensive piece of hardware just to play FB and other sims with it in this mode.

Thumbs down to Maddox on this one.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 01:57 PM
It is working as it it promised. Not more or less.
It is working only in one mode. and not in other that ask to "fix" the user above. The other even not promised. Promised to try if we'll have a time and no problems around it.

I said all.

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Zayets
09-09-2003, 02:15 PM
You tell'em Oleg!

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 02:21 PM
You know, it might've been a lot more helpful to tell Parhelia owners to drop dead, say, 5 months ago, rather than stringing them along until the resale value of the card has dropped off.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 02:59 PM
Well, obviously nobody is "stringing" anybody along. They promised ONE mode to work with the obscure hardware and delivered. Now it seems it's thier fault for not supporting more than they promised, which is typical around here.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 03:12 PM
Thanks Oleg. No thanks everyone else.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 03:35 PM
Stringing people along seems the go around here!

just b4 the release of the 1.1b patch (and b4 public leak) screen shots were released of crap loads of new things, now the bulk of the il2-fb community had no idea of what was going to be in the patch, do u think some people got mighty ticked off when all we got was a half arsed patch that has taken UBI 2 gos a fixing (1 go for maddox), alot of people were disapointed and still are, we dont want miracoils we just want the HONEST TO BLOODY GOODNESS TRUTH, about what be in a patch/addon and some TRUTHFUL idea when to expect such patch/addon

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 04:48 PM
Just to add some clarity to the situation, I'd still give Oleg and crew top marks on their implementation of surround gaming with the Matrox Parhelia. It's probably the best example of 3-way simming since Oleg was one of few developers to apply a triple viewport method, which is probably the best way to go about it.

My complaint is more on the general poor management of this product, and is mostly out of frustration after waiting so long for this secondary triple-head mode to be available. Why? Because in theory I know its availability will result in increased framerates, since my PC will be rendering one wide viewport instead of 3. (ie. reduced CPU load).

All that said, _some_ of you really have your head in the sand on hardware. The Matrox Parhelia has features ATI and Nvidia are idiots not to include, especially the ability to run 3 monitors in native mode instead of using the bull!@#$ windows spanning features.

If you think that the Parhelia is an outdated video card, perhaps it's time to do a little reading. I did prior to buying this video card, so I knew the pros and cons, and by far, the pros outweigh the cons.

Lastly, if the Parhelia were so outdated, old or low on the totem pole, I highly doubt FB would have had the extra efforts put in to support it. Same for LOMAC, which upon its eventual arrival, I will be also be playing in 3 screens.

I also enjoy Ghost Recon, Pro Race Driver, Grand Prix 4, FS2002, FS2004, CFS3, Vietcong, OFP, Chaser, Rise of Nations, and many many others, too many to list. Playing on a single screen is completely undesireable to me now.

The point? A Parhelia is not an old, obscelete, or lesser video card than the ones you Quake/FPS junkies read about and drool in the latest issue of PC Geek Gamer. In fact it's IMO much better.

So, do some homework before you spew uninformed garbage.

Thanks.


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:01 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Just to add some clarity to the situation, I'd still
- give Oleg and crew top marks on their implementation
- of surround gaming with the Matrox Parhelia. It's
- probably the best example of 3-way simming since
- Oleg was one of few developers to apply a triple
- viewport method, which is probably the best way to
- go about it.
-
- My complaint is more on the general poor management
- of this product, and is mostly out of frustration
- after waiting so long for this secondary triple-head
- mode to be available. Why? Because in theory I know
- its availability will result in increased
- framerates, since my PC will be rendering one wide
- viewport instead of 3. (ie. reduced CPU load).

To be fair, though, the 1C team should be expending
their effort first and foremost on getting the current
FM issues sorted out, which supports the vast majority
of players, before expending effort on what is a rarely
used card. The support would be nice, but with limited
effort, what addresses 95% of users will be what gets the
first call on the effort.

I say this as someone just about to order a Matrox
quadruple head display for work - Matrox is doing products
that noone else is doing, but the uptake is small.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:13 PM
...wait a minute who is this secretive 'dave' that everyone refers to in almost all threads here?

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 05:39 PM
Griffon_25th wrote:
- ...wait a minute who is this secretive 'dave' that
- everyone refers to in almost all threads here?


Simple, the guy that HAL sent outside and then shut out using the Pod Bay Doors.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 06:06 PM
How are the framerates on your matrox?...I heard they are not very fast.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:16 PM
Here comes my flame

When I buy my G-simulation box that simulates gravity, and my virtual reality holographic projector, I EXPECT maddox to implement them.

Anymore than 1 monitor for a game is a blatant waste of electricity. I hope, for the love of god, that you are using CRT's, and not LCDs; so you get your extra and much needed dose of radiation.

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:33 PM
morsmotirs wrote:
- Here comes my flame
-
- When I buy my G-simulation box that simulates
- gravity, and my virtual reality holographic
- projector, I EXPECT maddox to implement them.
-
- Anymore than 1 monitor for a game is a blatant waste
- of electricity. I hope, for the love of god, that
- you are using CRT's, and not LCDs; so you get your
- extra and much needed dose of radiation.


I won't even bother wasting my time responding to this idiot since I'd probably be very insulting, calling him @#$ for brains, *****head, or something along those lines. Luckily I have restraint.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:43 PM
Dex, face the facts.

The Matrox does not cut it for the vast, vast majority of gamers. Thus, the few 'oddballs' like you bought it. (BTW, I read every review on that card out there. No one was hollering to run out and buy it.)

Instead of ragging on Ubi, you should be cussing Matrox. They put so much hype into that card it was pathetic. Yes, what made it pathetic was that they did not deliver on the hype.

Just admit you fell for the hype, ya big dummy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Now, you think every developer/programmer has to do their absolute best to make the Parhelia work 'better' for you? Uh, should'nt you be writing to Matrox and harassing them?

Also, did you really think everyone was going to jump on your wagon? Sheesh, look at your post title and post again. You are coming off as a whiny little overbearing rude brat, when in fact, you ought to be thanking Ubi/Oleg for 'something'...

Oleg_Maddox wrote:
- It is working as it it promised. Not more or less.
- It is working only in one mode. and not in other
- that ask to "fix" the user above. The other even not
- promised. Promised to try if we'll have a time and
- no problems around it.
-
- I said all.


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 07:57 PM
Matrox doesn't care their customers any more.

Why do you care?

Face it. You've been deceived by Matrox.

We're not blaming you, we blame the company.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 08:13 PM
I'm just a newbee here, but an oldbee in the hardware community. I can sympathize with your frustrations just like with many of us non-matrox owners, but speak for yourself...not all owners of your video card.
One more point...with due respect: There is no reputable site within the hardware enthusiast community I'm aware of advocating Matrox for demanding game play. There is just no one.
People are having driver problems, low frame rates, and experiencing numerous anomalies with top-end GPUs. If you can play the game in one mode, just as with my non-matrox system, accept and enjoy the sim action you do have.
Steve

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:16 PM
The Parhelia is in the same ballpark as the GeForce4 I think, maybe somewhat slower.

What makes it ideal for flight simming would be the triple-monitor support and the fragment anti-aliasing. Unfortunately it is a little slow. Matrox came out with triplehead knowing in that mode it wouldn't be a great performer. Also the bad drivers in the beginning didn't help either.

Parhelia lost outin performance to products of ATI and nVidia by not compressing all internal data. I hope Matrox comes out with a re-engineered and faster Parhelia 2, but given the (financial) state of even the most wide known Matrox-site ( http://www.matroxusers.com/) doesn't bode very whell.

The Parhelia was (in some ways) ahead (a head) of its time.

blackTIE.


Dexmeister wrote:
- The Parhelia is the best video card for flight
- simming if you ask me. It's far more advanced than
- anything Nvidia or ATI have out these days. It won't
- be getting replaced any time soon, and when it does
- it will be with the Parhelias next version.

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 09:33 PM
RealKill wrote:
- Instead of ragging on Ubi, you should be cussing
- Matrox. They put so much hype into that card it was
- pathetic. Yes, what made it pathetic was that they
- did not deliver on the hype.

The card works great for everything I use it for. I don't have complaints with the card whatsoever, and in fact have praise for it. The card has improved my working productivity, my simming enjoyment, and allowed me to reach an entirely new level of realism that tunnelvisioned single monitor users wouldn't understand.


- Just admit you fell for the hype, ya big dummy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

No, I read in great amounts, the reviews available on the card. I don't recall many reviewers saying they wanted to get rid of it. It's not good for Quake-heads that need 200FPS, but it has a whole slew of other benefits. I got exactly what I expected and am very pleased.


- Now, you think every developer/programmer has to do
- their absolute best to make the Parhelia work
- 'better' for you? Uh, should'nt you be
- writing to Matrox and harassing them?

Matrox has THE BEST support of any video card manufacturer I've ever dealt with, and I've had ATI, Nvidia and now Matrox and dealt with support from all of them.

Some things aren't the responsibility of Matrox, for example the POV OLEG programs into his own sim in his closed codebase. If Matrox could modify it, I wouldn't be discussing this right now.



- Also, did you really think everyone was going to
- jump on your wagon? Sheesh, look at your post title
- and post again. You are coming off as a whiny
- little overbearing rude brat, when in fact, you
- ought to be thanking Ubi/Oleg for 'something'...

Whatever, I wasn't writing this post to you, or anyone other than UBI really, mostly out of frustration with their shabby product management on FB. Can you argue with that?



This place cracks me up. Bunch of "simmers" flying their air quake trying to get the highest FPS possible, failing to realize that there's a whole other kind of immersion to be achieved through things separate from the sim itself, ie hardware.

When Nvidia or ATI actually do a little R&D and make their attempt at triplehead gaming, you'll see what it's all about. You'll also realize that trading some FPS for 2 extra screens is indeed an excellent tradeoff considering your entire peripheral is then also seeing what it should.

Why I bother with this forum I'll never understand. I think I like to debate, or else I wouldn't entertain this joint.



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09-09-2003, 09:46 PM
Dex if I or anyone else had the card I'm sure it would be working....as with other things I don't think the resources are there to fix it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:01 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- Dex if I or anyone else had the card I'm sure it
- would be working....as with other things I don't
- think the resources are there to fix it.

Right Hunter, as a result of this thread, Matrox has told me Oleg's word was that "it is currently on their list, but they prefer adding it in their next-gen engine, since right now they are too busy working on the add-on".

That's cool. At least I know to stop looking for the fix.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif





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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:08 PM
Why don't u read the game box before u buy the product.

The hardware requirement tell you which video cards are supported by the game.

Go buy one! Or stop playing no one will miss you!

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:08 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- This place cracks me up. Bunch of "simmers" flying
- their air quake trying to get the highest FPS
- possible, failing to realize that there's a whole
- other kind of immersion to be achieved through
- things separate from the sim itself, ie hardware.

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I have a PIII 800 w/ 512 Ram and get about 20 FPS during normal missions. I'm not complaining. Sure I'd like 80 FPS, but then again, I dont care to spend $1000 right now to upgrade /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:15 PM
Nvidia or ATI...problem fixed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:42 PM
Shark.... wrote:
- Why don't u read the game box before u buy the
- product.
-
- The hardware requirement tell you which video cards
- are supported by the game.
-
- Go buy one! Or stop playing no one will miss you!


Listen phuckturd, Matrox support was mentioned by Oleg and Matrox long before FB hit the shelves, and the card is not 100% supported. Oleg and I have already reached a conclusion on this case so the rest of this thread has become a pain in the *** thanks to .............. like you.



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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 10:49 PM
Oh how I miss the days when I had the same hardware as everyone else. Yeah, it's nice to feel normal, to have the same stuff, to have a ***** length / FPS comparison with everyone... Yeah, what was I thinking grabbing non-standard equipment. Oh, that's right, I'm not typical, I don't like complying, and I love experimenting....

FYI, when I got the Parhelia, I removed a then top-of-the-line TI4600 from my machine. I later sold the 4600 knowing I'd never need it again. What does that say?





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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:15 PM
I think we should all demand ATI and Nvidia to have 3 monitor support. How much effort/money will it need. Not much.

Come to think about it, WE really havent moved a long way since the BBC.

How many of us have moved away from stereo sound to 5.1 surround sound? Alot. But WE are still in the days of parallel gaming.

Take a Stand.

Dont upgrade your hardware.

Pretty soon ATI and Nvidia will support THREE Monitors!


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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:51 PM
phuckturd ???!! LMAO

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XyZspineZyX
09-09-2003, 11:58 PM
are you sure DAVE ?

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:04 AM
doesn't ati have that with HydraVision?

2 extra screens would ne nice, just like I had when I was working that'd be cool but I think really what we need is vr helmets.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:14 AM
Dex, you are so silly! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

OK. You read and read and read, so you knew that there was not very much gaming support for that card when you bought it, right? Also, you should have known it was not very fast with 3 monitors, about refresh rate, resolution, whatever.

So, you were hoping more support would be forthcoming (and maybe you would get some faster hardware). Well, obviously you are sorely dissapointed.

This is exactly why I did not attempt to have about the same setup you have.

Maybe in the near future. It really would be nice.

BTW, you know darn well when you post publicly, you will get remarks, etc., from the public. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif If you just wanted Ubi to see your displeasure, then you should have just emailed them instead, and not posted here.

Now, go see if you can get your 3D glasses to work. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:23 AM
RealKill, surely you remember my 3D Glasses issues. Do you?

I had to switch from Pentium to AMD (on a hunch) because I KNEW there was a bug with IL2 that prevented 3D glasses from working nicely with Pentiums. You know what? I was right. Then I threw the 3D glasses in a box and took some Advils for my headache and that was that.

All I can say is you're very mistaken on the Parhelia. It has far exceeded what I read in the reviews, and I read those, then decided it was what I wanted regardless of performance. I have very few complaints.

It's both a business vid card and a gaming vid card. What makes you say it isn't a gaming card? I can run anything your video card can in single-head with comparable performance. I just choose not to.

You know what though? Most of the time I'm in this forum taking a beating for whatever it is I'm doing... Then about 8 months later I respond to threads helping other people out as they embark on the same adventure. Gets a little tiring to constantly plead my case. I'm happy with my setup, in fact ecstatic. FB has the problem, not me.



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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:30 AM
This game needs to suport 16:9 widescreen before it wastes time on triple monitors.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:50 AM
Yes, I felt really bad for you with your darn 3D glasses. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Dex, where am I mistaken. I am saying what you said. Support! There has to be support for the hardware from developers/coders of the software.

Also, Matrox needs to improve on the hardware!

Yes, of course you can run games on it with ONE monitor. That goes without saying. However, that is not the problem, right? The problem is running games on THREE monitors. Also, I never said it was not a gaming card. I said it does not cut it for the vast, vast majority of gamers. But, actually, for running games on three monitors, I would have to say, basically, that it is not a good gaming card. After all, a person loses way more than just "trading some FPS".

About taking a beating, if I came in with a rant, I am surely going to expect some flak. Also, you do not have to plead your case. Most people know exactly what you are saying. That is why the majority of gamers do not own a Parhelia.

As for Fb having a problem, again, be glad they have any support at all. A very small percent of gamers even use that card.

Oh, yeah, in regard to "Quake-heads", that was part of the hype. What game was shown on a three monitor Parhelia setup more than any other game? That's right... Quake. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 12:54 AM
Dexmeister wrote:

-
- It's both a business vid card and a gaming vid card.
- What makes you say it isn't a gaming card? I can run
- anything your video card can in single-head with
- comparable performance.

At roughly twice the cost.

That's what keeps it from being considered a true gaming card. Raw performance numbers are on par with those of a GF3 Ti500 or GF4 Ti4200.

It may be the best (and only) solution for 3 display gaming, but that still doesn't make it a gaming card. The vast majority of gamers are still using 1 display. A very few may be running 2, and 3 is practically unheard of.

So that leaves gamers looking at a $400 card with performance roughly equal to ATi or nVidia's offerings at half the price. If everyone had 3 displays, the Matrox would be the card of choice, but when you only have one display there's no reason to spend twice as much for slightly less performance.

The Parhelia is a nice multi-monitor business card. It can also play games with decent performance. It is not, and never has been a "gaming" card, no matter how much Matrox may have tried to sell it as such.

If the price had been more in line with ATi and nVidia's offerings at the same performance levels, then you could argue that it was a "gaming" card. At twice the price, you can't (and seem reasonable).

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:27 AM
Did I see Dex say:

"...to have a ***** length / FPS comparison with everyone"

?

Hey, we're just talking about video games here. Please take your smutty talk elsewhere.

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 01:41 AM
hahahah! this guys a nerd. nerd!

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:25 AM
For everyone beaching about the oh its only a little issue dont waste time get down with the FM instead, i seem to remember from my IT/Programming classes that most design teams work in sections- programmer xyz works on FM pragrammer a & b on video support etc etc (btw most game credits do back this up) so it wouldnt be a case of taking someone away from your precious FM team just someone who should know what they r doing except maybe they have little or now experience programming for multiview.

And as for multi monitors as the price has dropped massivly in the last 12-18 months on these (in OZ anyways) im thinking about getting another one or two two help all my graphics work along (if i can find the time to research what i need), if support was easily there im sure more of us would have multi monitor systems

Konigwolf

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:33 AM
I'd like to see peoples reactions if TrackIR cost $400 and only only worked in 640x480 ;>

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:36 AM
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Opps, wrong button, but while I'm here, what the heck. I have never responded personally to anyone's post here except to either ask a question or (rarely, to offer advice)
I do however try and read all that I can. I find that as a mostly puter illeterate dumba$$, I learn more by reading than typing but I felt compelled to respond as one of the unfortunate tunnelvision sufferers that you show so thinnly disguised disdain for.
Bud, you said in one posting you don't know why you come to this forum to entertain us. Don't mistake amuse with entertain.


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 02:48 AM
Matrox are not unknown cards at all .. except amongst gaming nerds.

Our Desktop Publishing people will use nothing but matrox cards. If we put a nvidia or ATI card in one of their PC's there would be a mass walkout. The 2D quality of even up-market nvidia and ATI cards is utter crap compared to the most basic Matrox DP ones.

However the 3D performance of matrox especially in the FPS world of Quake and so forth has meant that matrox get very bad reviews from the tech-nerd-journos and hence they sell to a niche market .. the desktop-publishing/video-editing community.

The better matrox cards are also a lot more expensive than anything from nvidia or ATi pricing them out of the hobby home market.





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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:16 AM
WTE_Konigwolf, maybe you would like to send Oleg a cashiers check so he can put that extra team together. (Even as a student coder, you should know it is not as simple as to tell programmers x, y and z to go and do 'this'. I mean where did x, y and z come from anyway. Who approved this additional team? Who is paying for it? Etc.

Anyway, you would still be stuck with hardware that just cannot cut it for most gamers.

Galway, yes the 2D of Matrox is very good. Even most gamers probably know this. On gaming sites that review their cards, they will mention the 2D and 3D aspects of said.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:28 AM
YOU'VE GOT 3 MONITORS?!?? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

{Sigh} Cheater IR, Multiple monitors, 3d glases, Mega$$$ systems, top notcht joy sticks w/ throttles and rudder peddles, butloads of memory and the best vid cards money can buy.....Must be nice to be able to afford all that stuff. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Amazing how far some of you will go for a computer game./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


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09-10-2003, 03:48 AM
Reakill, Realdoit more like it. the video programming team exits or at least it did, and propably still does (working on il-2:the next generation or whatever they wanna call it), and in a well done managed team it is easy to tell pragrammers to go do (or at least work) on something, it is their area to work and the know the coding for it, go fish somewhere else your royal doitiness

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:48 AM
Wow..there sure are a lot of asshats in this thread talking a lot of smack to a guy who was able to get a direct response from the creator of this game...in this very damn thread.

It's kind of funny when you consider that Dex was in this forum making suggestions for the sim and helping to develop this community long before many of those same asshats even installed IL-2 / FB.


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:51 AM
"It's kind of funny when you consider that Dex was in this forum making suggestions for the sim and helping to develop this community long before many of those same asshats even installed IL-2 / FB."


yeah, thats true about dex./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:52 AM
you got exactly the same response when the new ATI cards came out last year

people asked quite reasonably about better ATI support and eveyone bounced in and said "only a moron would buy anything but an nvidia card"

you get to expect it here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)





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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:54 AM
There is nothing funnier than watching noobs try and insult a community pillar like Dex.

Hey kids. You might want to think about the concept of "I don't know everything" next time you want to try and talk shi<r>t to a community veteran.

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I'm just saying...


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:55 AM
Hey there Dex!

It looks like this discussion is on its way down the pipes in a hurry....just for the record though, I have enjoyed seeing your panorama screenies both here and at flightsim.com.

Glad to see that eventually the programming will catch up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Hang in there!



Edit: Well said Heavy Delta!

Message Edited on 09/09/0310:57PM by Guelph2002

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:58 AM
They are the most beautiful shots of the game, aren't they?!?!?!?

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:58 AM
Dex,

You have a beautifull video card.
I think you should name it Caroline because Caroline is a very pretty name.

I would also like to say that Dex was taking sreen shots of this game on his triple wide monitor before a lot of you boobtards ever found this forum.




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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 03:59 AM
I bet that is urine in that glass.

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09-10-2003, 04:03 AM
Yea, thats right...uh huh....Dont you have snakes in your garage to hunt for?



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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:06 AM
This thread has more idiot n00bs than a Counterstrike forum.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:08 AM
He already hunted them down his pants.

Dex, let the fnebtards bark, they don't know what they're missing.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:08 AM
Yeah, when I first came here Dex was one of the old guys, hell, he was one before I registerd and started posting, which was about the time FB first came out. And now, he has a nonstandard card, asks about an issue that he had discussed about it, and a bunch of asshats come and send his thread down the pipes because he hasnt followed the Nvidia ATI hype and does something different because its what suits him.

What I really loved was the guy who said the Matrox wasnt supported, and Dex comes right back saying that is has always been supported and that he had even talked with the powers that be. Do you people think youre talking to an idiot just because he doesnt use the same vid card as you? Also, he managed to get a reply directly from Oleg discussing the issue, which answerd his question, though maybe not in the best interest for Dex, yet still according to much of this forum- he is an idiot who cant figure out that "Nvidia and ATI will onwz you clown!!1"

To Dex: Im sorry that it didnt work out the best for you, keep up with the screens (esp. some of those from other sims that you put in CWoS)

To everyone who labled Dex a stupid whiner: Know what youre talking about before you say someting

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:09 AM
NN_Veverka wrote:
- He already hunted them down his pants.
-
- Dex, let the fnebtards bark, they don't know what
- they're missing.



I am officially deducting .5 points from your UBI troll rating.

Work on it!

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:11 AM
i wasnt talking smak...just saying how nice it must be to be able to pay for all that stuff. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And can some on please tell what the damn deal is with my post count? it's been stuck at "over 500" for 8 freaking months now. i should be well over 1000.

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09-10-2003, 04:11 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- This game needs to suport 16:9 widescreen before it
- wastes time on triple monitors.
-

All those who saw this coming, please raise your hands.

<raises hand>

Thought so!

Dex, man, we've never always seen eye-to-eye, but I do feel your pain. THis thread (which started off as a very reasonable complaint) has degerated to the n00bs showing up and messing stuff up.

Read the "Is it a coincidence" thread I started last week... this is a perfect example.

Hope things work out for you Dex.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:17 AM
Copperhead310th wrote:
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- And can some on please tell what the damn deal is
- with my post count? it's been stuck at "over 500"
- for 8 freaking months now. i should be well over
- 1000.


Nobody gives a flying fneb about post count.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:19 AM
Copperhead310th wrote:
- i wasnt talking smak...just saying how nice it must
- be to be able to pay for all that stuff. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
-
- And can some on please tell what the damn deal is
- with my post count? it's been stuck at "over 500"
- for 8 freaking months now. i should be well over
- 1000.
-

You won't notice the change until you actually go over the 1000 mark.

That one seems to take a long time for everyone.

You could very well be in the 900's somewhere.

I suggest you spam the forum with dribble and discontent.

Talk bad about Hunter and nobody will mess with you or ban you.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:20 AM
Tate_Bruce wrote:
- Nobody gives a flying fneb about post count.

Copperhead replies:
-Blow me

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09-10-2003, 04:30 AM
rcorporon wrote:
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- RayBanJockey wrote:
-- This game needs to suport 16:9 widescreen before it
-- wastes time on triple monitors.
--
-
- All those who saw this coming, please raise your
- hands.
-
- <raises hand>


Clearly this ^^^^ is the high point of this thread, at least for humour. RBJ, where you been buddy? I miss our debates on the aspect ratio of widescreen /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As for you other veterens offering support, I appreciate it. I've gotten used to taking a @#$kicking in here from a bunch of Joe_newusers, and it's nice to see that the real community, though they don't spend as much time here, is still intact.

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09-10-2003, 04:38 AM
thanks Helos

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09-10-2003, 04:39 AM
Wow! Such pride for being an idiot. Nice reply idiot!

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:43 AM
LOL Lizard!

It helps when you copy some of the text of the person you are replying too so we know exactly what idiot you are talking too.

Unless it's Vev, then we all understand.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:46 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
-
- rcorporon wrote:
--
-- RayBanJockey wrote:
--- This game needs to suport 16:9 widescreen before it
--- wastes time on triple monitors.
---
--
-- All those who saw this coming, please raise your
-- hands.
--
-- <raises hand>
-
-
- Clearly this ^^^^ is the high point of this thread,
- at least for humour. RBJ, where you been buddy? I
- miss our debates on the aspect ratio of widescreen
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- As for you other veterens offering support, I
- appreciate it. I've gotten used to taking a
- @#$kicking in here from a bunch of Joe_newusers, and
- it's nice to see that the real community, though
- they don't spend as much time here, is still intact.
-
- Cheers!

You and RBJ had some awesome arguments over widescreen vs. 3 monitors!! Loved those posts!

I wish RBJ would come back.

Ronnie

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:48 AM
Copperhead, not to stomp on you in public but that is truly the worst sig pic I have ever seen! What's the deal?

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I'm just saying...


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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:52 AM
Helos, I meant everyone who replied negatively to Dex. I admire Dex's humility not posting one of his 'Mega Screenies' to make these d!ckheads drool. Not only does he have 3 screens at the same time, he's got a projector to project his favorite sim on the wall. Before you idiots take pride on being idiots, do some research on who the guy is. Idiots!


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Message Edited on 09/09/0311:57PM by DefterLizard

XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 04:52 AM
Oh those idiots.

Gotcha, agreed.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:37 AM
I'm lost, which idiots? If you're referring to me, I'd have to call you asshats in return...



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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:46 AM
Dex, haven't you noticed how many idiots replied to your post? Saying, 'change your card', don't whine here', blah blah blah. Those idiots. Not you. We love you.

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XyZspineZyX
09-10-2003, 05:48 AM
coming from somebody who thought you need a Craig supercomputer to be able to use more than one monitor...your opinion is simple waste of bandwidth.


RayBanJockey wrote:
- This game needs to suport 16:9 widescreen before it
- wastes time on triple monitors.
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- src=http://lafayettefederation.com/screenshots/rep
- ository/turo/tn-Numbaone.jpg>
- "The brain damage is irreparable on this one." -What an ace
- said of RayBanJockey during a fight when he was
- still a newbie.
- news update (http://www.theinformationminister.com/press.p
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