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ROCwd
12-05-2010, 10:26 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">WARNING: MAY CONTAIN SPOLIERS - DON'T READ THIS THREAD IF YOU SUFFER FROM NUT ALLERGIES OR PHOTO-SENSITIVE EPILEPSY.</span>

There has been a lot of speculation on this forum as to the significance of Brotherhood's ending and what will be revealed in the next game as a result of it and it's getting to the point now where it's difficult to differentiate between the plausable and the inplausable theories as there are so many being put forward by people that are based on memories from the previous games, which aren't always as accurate as they may seem.

This has given me an idea. Why don't we assemble a group of volounteers and play the games from start to finish, AC1 to ACB, taking notes as we go along? Then when we're finished we can post them here and compare them with a view to creating a guide that people can consult when they have a theory about the next game?

I'm not saying cancel all your plans, put on an adult diaper, order a few pizzas and stay glued to the game for 3 days in a row or anything, just play in your spare time but take note of key quotes/events that you think are important to the overall story.

I'm willing to try, please reply to this thread if you would like to help and I will add you too the list below. Once we have as many people as we can get, we will set a date to begin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Participants:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>ROCwd
<LI>X10J
<LI>RipYourSpineOut
<LI>Avl521
<LI>persiateddy95
<LI>killie_lad
<LI>Ulqui4rra
<LI>TullyMcNasty[/list]

magesupermaster
12-05-2010, 10:39 AM
Sound like a great idea, but I don't have the time to take part in this operation.

X10J
12-05-2010, 10:42 AM
maybe next week I could start (finals this week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif).

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by X10J
maybe next week I could start (finals this week Frown).

That's perfect, I was thinking long term anyway as it would be somewhat of a distraction while we are waiting for the next game to come out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Best of luck in your finals too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

X10J
12-05-2010, 10:51 AM
Thanks man (or woman). I have to finish a 900 word essay by monday *sigh*.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by X10J:
Thanks man (or woman).

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I'm all man!

rocketxsurgeon
12-05-2010, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by X10J:
Thanks man (or woman). I have to finish a 900 word essay by monday *sigh*.

I hate essays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
On anything interesting?

And i would take part, but i don't have the second and first disk anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

RipYourSpineOut
12-05-2010, 10:56 AM
I'm definitely in...starting December 17th. I really want to focus on the work I'm behind in (stupid Grade 9 French holding me back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) before I dedicate some hardcore gaming. Christmas break, I came contribute to the best of my abilities http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I also have AC1, 2, and Brotherhood, so that's a majority of the franchise right there if you exclude all the handhelds.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
I'm definitely in...starting December 17th. I really want to focus on the work I'm behind in (stupid Grade 9 French holding me back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) before I dedicate some hardcore gaming. Christmas break, I came contribute to the best of my abilities http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I also have AC1, 2, and Brotherhood, so that's a majority of the franchise right there if you exclude all the handhelds.

Thanks very much, I'll make a list of those participating on the original post as it looks like theres going to be a good amount of interest. I might try to set a date to start aswell, one that suits everybody so we can start around the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

X10J
12-05-2010, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X10J:
Thanks man (or woman). I have to finish a 900 word essay by monday *sigh*.

I hate essays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
On anything interesting?

And i would take part, but i don't have the second and first disk anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You and me both. Its on gun banns.

@ROC: You never know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

magesupermaster
12-05-2010, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by rocketxsurgeon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X10J:
Thanks man (or woman). I have to finish a 900 word essay by monday *sigh*.

I hate essays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
On anything interesting?

And i would take part, but i don't have the second and first disk anymore http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, do you know someone that does like essays?

And why don't you have those discs?

X10J
12-05-2010, 11:10 AM
English professors?

Avl521
12-05-2010, 11:14 AM
I'll help too if that's ok with you guys, I love these games so it shouldn't be a problem for me to play through them, I also remember I totally geeked out with the Blood Paintings in AC1 and the glyphs in AC2... now it's time for me to geek out on the rifts of ACB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

magesupermaster
12-05-2010, 11:14 AM
I have a biology teacher that likes to make us do reserch works. And she passes that as homework. And she does that most of the time.

Razrback16
12-05-2010, 11:15 AM
I don't have Brotherhood yet (have to wait for PC release), but I've played the first two games 5-10 times each...what facts are you trying to pin down?

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Avl521:
I'll help too if that's ok with you guys, I love these games so it shouldn't be a problem for me to play through them, I also remember I totally geeked out with the Blood Paintings in AC1 and the glyphs in AC2... now it's time for me to geek out on the rifts of ACB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That's great thanks very much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

persiateddy95
12-05-2010, 11:17 AM
Well I've got Bloodlines (PSP), finished it like 4 times, and I'm currently playing through AC1.

magesupermaster
12-05-2010, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
Well I've got Bloodlines (PSP), finished it like 4 times, and I'm currently playing through AC1.

I was a bit disappointed with Bloodlines.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Razrback16:
I don't have Brotherhood yet (have to wait for PC release), but I've played the first two games 5-10 times each...what facts are you trying to pin down?

We're not trying to pin down anything in particular, just create a guide based on notes taken as we play, in order to seperate the facts from those lost in translation, so to speak.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
Well I've got Bloodlines (PSP), finished it like 4 times, and I'm currently playing through AC1.

Thats perfect, would you be willing to starting it again, this time taking notes and likewise with AC1?

persiateddy95
12-05-2010, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persiateddy95:
Well I've got Bloodlines (PSP), finished it like 4 times, and I'm currently playing through AC1.

I was a bit disappointed with Bloodlines.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It just needs a bit more of stuff to it.

Originally posted by ROCwd:
Thats perfect, would you be willing to starting it again, this time taking notes and likewise with AC1?
I wouldn't mind, I always play my games with attention.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by magesupermaster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persiateddy95:
Well I've got Bloodlines (PSP), finished it like 4 times, and I'm currently playing through AC1.

I was a bit disappointed with Bloodlines.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It just needs a bit more of stuff to it.

Originally posted by ROCwd:
Thats perfect, would you be willing to starting it again, this time taking notes and likewise with AC1?
I wouldn't mind, I always play my games with attention. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's great thank you very much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

magesupermaster
12-05-2010, 11:26 AM
Yeah, I think it needed a stronger storyline.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 11:28 AM
a question, we'll take notes regarding what exactly? the subject 16? clues to the next game? the true events so we can avoid speculation like "we're playing desmond's son"?? just asking to be sure what should I take note of while I play.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Avl521:
a question, we'll take notes regarding what exactly? the subject 16? clues to the next game? the true events so we can avoid speculation like "we're playing desmond's son"?? just asking to be sure what should I take note of while I play.

Anything you think is relevant to the story and yes, keep them as factual as possible, try not to stray away into speculation as you say.

X10J
12-05-2010, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
I'm definitely in...starting December 17th. I really want to focus on the work I'm behind in (stupid Grade 9 French holding me back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) before I dedicate some hardcore gaming. Christmas break, I came contribute to the best of my abilities http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I also have AC1, 2, and Brotherhood, so that's a majority of the franchise right there if you exclude all the handhelds.

Thanks very much, I'll make a list of those participating on the original post as it looks like theres going to be a good amount of interest. I might try to set a date to start aswell, one that suits everybody so we can start around the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depending on when the date is can I start early?

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by X10J:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RipYourSpineOut:
I'm definitely in...starting December 17th. I really want to focus on the work I'm behind in (stupid Grade 9 French holding me back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) before I dedicate some hardcore gaming. Christmas break, I came contribute to the best of my abilities http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I also have AC1, 2, and Brotherhood, so that's a majority of the franchise right there if you exclude all the handhelds.

Thanks very much, I'll make a list of those participating on the original post as it looks like theres going to be a good amount of interest. I might try to set a date to start aswell, one that suits everybody so we can start around the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depending on when the date is can I start early? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course you can this isn't a dictatorship http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif the date is just a suggestion, you can start early/late, any way you want http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

X10J
12-05-2010, 12:03 PM
What, it isn't? *puts away Kim Jong Il costume*

killie_lad
12-05-2010, 12:10 PM
I'll try although my attention span isn't the best and i'm not that great with the whole everytime we talk it must be a riddle(not looking too good for me) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif but il do my best

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by killie_lad:
I'll try although my attention span isn't the best and i'm not that great with the whole everytime we talk it must be a riddle(not looking too good for me) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif but il do my best

All you can do is try, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

killie_lad
12-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by killie_lad:
I'll try although my attention span isn't the best and i'm not that great with the whole everytime we talk it must be a riddle(not looking too good for me) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif but il do my best

All you can do is try, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No bother http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not played the other ACs for a while anyway so it's all good. Great idea btw

X10J
12-05-2010, 12:37 PM
What should we do with our notes, post them?

Avl521
12-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I think we should post our notes, then ROCwd organizes the notes and places them in the first post, that way if anyone wants to read our findings he only needs to read the first post.

X10J
12-05-2010, 12:47 PM
sounds good to me.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by X10J:
What should we do with our notes, post them?

What Avl521 said, just post them and we'll organise them into a PDF or something and put a link in the original post.

X10J
12-05-2010, 12:50 PM
cool.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 01:02 PM
I don't know if I said this already but it's important.. Make sure you explore every last detail when playing each game (i.e. the glyphs in AC2, check all emails in AC1/Brotherhood etc.) we want this to be as extensive as we can, don't neglect something because you think someone else will cover it, we want as many notes as possible so we can compare them.

X10J
12-05-2010, 01:06 PM
of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll probably take AC1(first).

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by X10J:
of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll probably take AC1(first).

I'm taking all 3 if I can find the time, Legacy too which I haven't played yet at all and the likes of Accendance, Lineage everything that could offer something towards it.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X10J:
of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll probably take AC1(first).

I'm taking all 3 if I can find the time, Legacy too which I haven't played yet at all and the likes of Accendance, Lineage everything that could offer something towards it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll play AC1 first, then Bloodlines, then AC2, then Brotherhood.

I had already uncovered a lot in subject 16's redecoration of Desmond's room and the hidden clues in AC2's glyphs.
I'll try to find those things again.

X10J
12-05-2010, 01:21 PM
I know that the point is to gather cold facts, but would it be cool if we put our thoughts/speculation in parenthesis or something?

Like little foot notes, not paragraphs or anything.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by X10J:
I know that the point is to gather cold facts, but would it be cool if we put our thoughts/speculation in parenthesis or something?

Like little foot notes, not paragraphs or anything.

well I'm not sure if we all agree on this since it would lead to more speculation, but maybe if you write facts, and place speculation in parenthesis and in white color we can read what each one thinks and discuss, but only the facts would be taken into account on the first post.

Just my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 01:29 PM
I think once we compile all the notes into a PDF, we can add a few pages at the end giving a paragraph or 2 by each contributor saying what their theory is, based on the facts?

X10J
12-05-2010, 01:39 PM
I was thinking something like in AC1 for example:

Yona Guni written on the floor.(Vault location?)

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 01:42 PM
I suppose we could have what Avl521 said about having it in a different color, with a key at the top stating which color is fact and which are speculation?

ExprtAssassin
12-05-2010, 01:45 PM
I would participate, but I dont have AC2 anymore. Friend borrowed it and lets just say it wont work anymore with the scratch ring. But I do have AC1 and I have bloodlines(PSP version). I can safely say that bloodlines has no signifcant value for the overall story, Desmond isnt even in it.

X10J
12-05-2010, 01:46 PM
Actualy after thinking about it I think its a bad idea. This is about cold data, we should leave biased speculation out of it.

realgangsta213
12-05-2010, 01:51 PM
Nice idea guys, needs dedication though, hope you're all up to it and best of luck. I'm very busy with work but otherwise i would have gladly helped you.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by ExprtAssassin:
I would participate, but I dont have AC2 anymore. Friend borrowed it and lets just say it wont work anymore with the scratch ring. But I do have AC1 and I have bloodlines(PSP version). I can safely say that bloodlines has no signifcant value for the overall story, Desmond isnt even in it.

Even if you just did AC1 and Brotherhood it would be a help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

realgangsta213
12-05-2010, 01:54 PM
I did study the codex though so if you need any help on that let me know

Avl521
12-05-2010, 02:00 PM
ok, so I will post a fact that is similar through all 3 games and all 3 characters.

As revealed by Altaïr's codex, Juno and the fact Ezio had a son after brotherhood.

I had thought Adha would be the one to lead me to rest, that I might lay down my blade and live as a normal man. But now I know such dreams are best left to sleep...Her face. I try to banish it from my mind as I remember the days and nights during which I chased her Templar captors across the sea. I almost got to them in time. Almost. If I had only been faster. Instead, I held her lifeless body in my arms – saw the terror reflected in her fixed, unblinking eyes...I hunted each man – one by one – until all responsible were gone from the world. But there was no joy in this. No satisfaction or release. Their deaths did not bring her back. Did not heal my wounds. After that, I was certain I would never again feel for a woman as I had for her.
I am fortunate to have been wrong.

Adha is the woman Altaïr finds in the first DS game, he obviously fell in love by the bolded text above, and then after her death he fell in love again with Maria Thorpe and had sons.

Ezio lost the love of his life: Cristina Vespucci, yet we still see how after ACB Ezio has a son(s) evidence found in that Desmond exists and was able to relive all of brotherhood.

Desmond APPARENTLY killed Lucy, we're not sure just yet, it seemed their relationship was certainly growing, but after her possible death, Desmond, as told by Juno and subject 16 has to find Eve.

My point is... Desmond's story seems to be a Deja vu, in that they all lost a loved one, yet they must find another one.
Not sure if that works for our facts, but it's an interesting point to have in mind.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
ok, so I will post a fact that is similar through all 3 games and all 3 characters.

As revealed by Altaïr's codex, Juno and the fact Ezio had a son after brotherhood.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I had thought Adha would be the one to lead me to rest, that I might lay down my blade and live as a normal man. But now I know such dreams are best left to sleep...Her face. I try to banish it from my mind as I remember the days and nights during which I chased her Templar captors across the sea. I almost got to them in time. Almost. If I had only been faster. Instead, I held her lifeless body in my arms – saw the terror reflected in her fixed, unblinking eyes...I hunted each man – one by one – until all responsible were gone from the world. But there was no joy in this. No satisfaction or release. Their deaths did not bring her back. Did not heal my wounds. After that, I was certain I would never again feel for a woman as I had for her.
I am fortunate to have been wrong.

Adha is the woman Altaïr finds in the first DS game, he obviously fell in love by the bolded text above, and then after her death he fell in love again with Maria Thorpe and had sons.

Ezio lost the love of his life: Cristina Vespucci, yet we still see how after ACB Ezio has a son(s) evidence found in that Desmond exists and was able to relive all of brotherhood.

Desmond APPARENTLY killed Lucy, we're not sure just yet, it seemed their relationship was certainly growing, but after her possible death, Desmond, as told by Juno and subject 16 has to find Eve.

My point is... Desmond's story seems to be a Deja vu, in that they all lost a loved one, yet they must find another one.
Not sure if that works for our facts, but it's an interesting point to have in mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we can use the extract from the codex but best leave it to the reader to detirmine it's significane, if you get what I mean? Definitly an interesting point though.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:
ok, so I will post a fact that is similar through all 3 games and all 3 characters.

As revealed by Altaïr's codex, Juno and the fact Ezio had a son after brotherhood.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I had thought Adha would be the one to lead me to rest, that I might lay down my blade and live as a normal man. But now I know such dreams are best left to sleep...Her face. I try to banish it from my mind as I remember the days and nights during which I chased her Templar captors across the sea. I almost got to them in time. Almost. If I had only been faster. Instead, I held her lifeless body in my arms – saw the terror reflected in her fixed, unblinking eyes...I hunted each man – one by one – until all responsible were gone from the world. But there was no joy in this. No satisfaction or release. Their deaths did not bring her back. Did not heal my wounds. After that, I was certain I would never again feel for a woman as I had for her.
I am fortunate to have been wrong.

Adha is the woman Altaïr finds in the first DS game, he obviously fell in love by the bolded text above, and then after her death he fell in love again with Maria Thorpe and had sons.

Ezio lost the love of his life: Cristina Vespucci, yet we still see how after ACB Ezio has a son(s) evidence found in that Desmond exists and was able to relive all of brotherhood.

Desmond APPARENTLY killed Lucy, we're not sure just yet, it seemed their relationship was certainly growing, but after her possible death, Desmond, as told by Juno and subject 16 has to find Eve.

My point is... Desmond's story seems to be a Deja vu, in that they all lost a loved one, yet they must find another one.
Not sure if that works for our facts, but it's an interesting point to have in mind. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we can use the extract from the codex but best leave it to the reader to detirmine it's significane, if you get what I mean? Definitly an interesting point though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure, no problem, that's why I said I was not sure it belonged to our facts but that it was interesting to have in mind.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 03:04 PM
Sorry for the double post.

ok, first note taken:
Vidic mentions at the beginning that they want Desmond to be cooperative, he enters the animus and gets them what they want, and he'll be free to go.
To this Desmond replies:

I am NOT going back in there.
Vidic then says:

Then, we'll induce a coma and continue our work. When we're done you'll be left to die.

This proves the Animus doesn't need the subject to be conscious for it to work, and people can still see the memories even if the subject is in a coma.
Most likely similar to the Shock at the end of ACB.

2. Even though the Assassin Order in AC1 required their assassins to cut their finger to accomodate the hidden blade, Al Mualim has all 10 fingers.

3. When Altaïr wakes up, he asks how is it that he is alive to which Al Mualim responds:

You saw what I wanted you to see. And then you slept the sleep of the dead.
Somehow it sounds like what Al Mualim did was use the AoE (Apple of Eden) to make Altaïr THINK he was stabbed...

persiateddy95
12-05-2010, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by ExprtAssassin:
I have bloodlines(PSP version). I can safely say that bloodlines has no signifcant value for the overall story, Desmond isnt even in it.
Yeah, indeed, I've played 4 times through it, and there's pretty much nothing much other than the game's main objective. No Desmond, nothing.

I'm playing through AC1, and I remember some emails related to subject 16.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 05:02 PM
ok note 4:
4. According to Vidic's Emails, there seems to be American refugees crossing the border to mexico... and the mexican president seems to be getting more security along the border...

Also, there's reference to a "2nd Plague" supposedly caused by the "L-11 Outbreak" it decimated 96% of Africa's population.

Alan Rikkin mentions they HAVE to launch on the 21st, otherwise:
This crap with the fluoride enhancement is going to put us under a LOT of scrutiny. We need to launch on the 21st. If we wait any longer we risk everything being frozen during the investigation. I have a feeling that none of our friends in D.C. are going to do us any favors on this one. We'll deal with them come election time.

The fluoride issue:

Hundreds Hospitalized in Wake of Water Tampering Scandal:
Abstergo Holdings stands accused of secretly manipulating a small town's water supply in order to test a synthetic drug referred to internally as New Fluoride.
according to another email, some unknown sender knows about something abstergo did... says something about someone holding a metal ball... the ball opens and everyone starts killing each other.

On Lucy's emails: deleted items a conversation goes as follows:

-Unknown: NEED INTEL ON DIA EVENT

-Lucy: AT LEAST TWENTY DEAD IN ACCIDENT. ASSUME THIS IS SITE OF LAUNCH. IF NOT LAUNCH, THEN CERTAINLY ASSEMBLY, SHOULD TRY AND INFILTRATE.

-Unknown: WHAT IS PURPOSE OF LAUNCH?

-Lucy: LOW EARTH ORBIT TRANSMITTER FOR ARTIFACT. EXTENSION OF CONDITIONED RESPONSE EXPERIMENTS FROM FIVE YEARS AGO. IF SUCCESSFUL THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING.

-Unknown: WHAT DO YOU MEAN EVERYTHING?

-Lucy: OUR MINDS.

-Unknown: WHAT ABOUT DESMOND?

-Lucy: THEY'RE USING HIM TO LOCATE ANOTHER ARTIFACT. I HAVE BEEN DELAYING BUT THEY ARE CLOSE NOW.

-Unknown: DOES HE KNOW ABOUT US?

-Lucy: NO.

-Unknown: GOOD. KEEP IT THAT WAY FOR NOW.

-Lucy: CAN YOU SEND RESCUE?

-Unknown changes his subject to cover up the email: WondEr Why it Is everyone Laughs at you? i'll Let you guess. let's just say she's proBably gEtTing it bigger and better from someone else tHat isn't you. how can you hope to compEte? REst asSured there are sOme gOod ways. click the liNk to see!

About that last email, the odd capital letters read:
WE WILL BE THERE SOON.

EDIT: I forgot to mention subject 16:
Lucy sends an email to vidic about 16, she explains he suffered from the Bleeding Effect, a sort of multiple personalities disorder.
She also mentions that he had an ancestor in the Far East which explains the chinese/japanese writing, and she says she got an historian to interpret the wall writing.

E.X.O.D.U.S
12-05-2010, 05:47 PM
After reading this Topic I decided to re-watch 'The Truth', the video unlocked in AC2 in which Adam & Eve are running from something. While wall climbing, they pass one of the Gods/OTCB (I'm presuming Minerva or Juno) who is stood beside 'us' who're working etc. Minerva/Juno is holding an Apple of Eden, yet when Adam & Eve reach the top, Eve is holding the Apple.

2 Apples????

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:

EDIT: I forgot to mention subject 16:
Lucy sends an email to vidic about 16, she explains he suffered from the Bleeding Effect, a sort of multiple personalities disorder.
She also mentions that he had an ancestor in the Far East which explains the chinese/japanese writing, and she says she got an historian to interpret the wall writing.

This troubles me a bit, how could she get a historian to interpret the wall writing when it's only visible through eagle vision?

Avl521
12-05-2010, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by E.X.O.D.U.S:
After reading this Topic I decided to re-watch 'The Truth', the video unlocked in AC2 in which Adam & Eve are running from something. While wall climbing, they pass one of the Gods/OTCB (I'm presuming Minerva or Juno) who is stood beside 'us' who're working etc. Minerva/Juno is holding an Apple of Eden, yet when Adam & Eve reach the top, Eve is holding the Apple.

2 Apples????

Well, if you see the truth puzzles, there are many pieces of eden, and we know there are 5 or 6 apples of eden.
However, it seems the 6th apple, is the main one in the game, the one Altaïr, Ezio and Desmond have had.

Originally posted by ROCwd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:

EDIT: I forgot to mention subject 16:
Lucy sends an email to vidic about 16, she explains he suffered from the Bleeding Effect, a sort of multiple personalities disorder.
She also mentions that he had an ancestor in the Far East which explains the chinese/japanese writing, and she says she got an historian to interpret the wall writing.

This troubles me a bit, how could she get a historian to interpret the wall writing when it's only visible through eagle vision? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The wall writing was written in 16's blood, it had to be visible to everyone before it was most likely erased. Then after erased it was only visible through eagle vision, but at the moment of being written, since it was written in blood, it was visible to everyone.

Here's the e-mail:

Warren:
I've finished my report on Subject Sixteen. You should take a look when you have some time as I believe it validates my belief that we need to be treating them with greater care. Failure to do so will only result in further breakdowns.
I'll summarize things for now since I realize you're probably pretty busy. Prolonged exposure to the Animus caused a 'Bleeding Effect' within Subject Sixteen's genetic structure. The result was a blending of genetic and real-time memory. He became unable to distinguish his own life from those of his ancestors, as witnessed with the incident in his room.

I believe this effect is very similar to certain forms of multiple personality and delusional disorders. People who claim to be experiencing past lives or the presence of other minds within their own are quite possibly experiencing a naturally occurring version of this Bleeding Effect. Though the specific symptoms may vary from subject to subject, the end result is the same: they lose their minds.

This is what I believe happened to Subject Sixteen. One of his ancestors seems to have been involved in an important event in the ancient Far East. The wall writing he left us defy any conventional explanation, though I'm not ready to dismiss them just yet. Per your request, I've asked for a linguist and historian to research them further in case there is some significance.I'll let you know if they come back to us with anything.

I'll get you a full copy of the report so that you can review my findings when you have the time. I know this is not that important to you Warren, but it would mean a lot to me if you'd just take a look and think about it. We don't need to push them so hard. We don't need to kill them. From a purely practical perspective, there's no point in destroying the subjects anyway. Once they're dead, their knowledge is lost to us forever. And we both know how dangerous that can be.

Thanks for your time!

- Lucy

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 06:17 PM
Oh I see, never thought about that, I just assumed 16 erased the blood himself after he'd written it as he had developed eagle vision from being in the Animus and knew it was likely the next subject would, so would be able to see it without Abstergo knowing about it. But I think I thought too much about it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Some nice stuff there, keep that kinda stuff comin' and we'll have one heck of a library when we're all finished http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Avl521
12-05-2010, 06:24 PM
I can't seem to find much more about the overall plot in AC1 besides the wall writing which I'm still trying to find the thread where some of the forum members (including me) decoded a bunch of stuff, I'll post the whole Blood message as soon as I find the info again.
Other than the emails and the blood writing, AC1 doesn't have much more thing that should be noted.
At least not that I can see.

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
I can't seem to find much more about the overall plot in AC1 besides the wall writing which I'm still trying to find the thread where some of the forum members (including me) decoded a bunch of stuff, I'll post the whole Blood message as soon as I find the info again.
Other than the emails and the blood writing, AC1 doesn't have much more thing that should be noted.
At least not that I can see.

Perhaps thats all but theres no harm in playing through it anyway encase we are forgetting or have missed something significant..

Thats why I think it would be ideal if we got at least 3 people playing each game. That way we leave less room for oversights.

I can see how there would be less in AC1 though, as it was the first game, the writers probably hadn't even been thinking as far forward as the next game as they weren't entirely sure it would be a success. Also, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the brains behind the first game left Ubisoft over some issue with the way the franchise was being run, perhaps the brains behind the next games had a different approach and this is why there is a lor more information in AC2 onwards?

Avl521
12-05-2010, 07:18 PM
hmm that's ok, I guess I'll go to AC2 now, but before I start I'll post the bloody message:

Eye Of Providence (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100216210435/assassinscreed/images/8/8f/Symbols2.jpg)

The eye represents God, the holy trinity (Father, Son and The Holy Spirit in each tip of the triangle.) Also has something to do with "A New World Order" which is a conspiracy theory about a corporation or some hidden group (masons, templars) taking over the world.

Eden Pyramid (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100309010302/assassinscreed/images/e/ec/Pyramid_apple.png)

This one is The Apple Of Eden shining Light upon lots of eyes, it could fairly well mean the power the apple holds to make people believe what it wants to. Also as to what Al Mualim said to Altaïr when he "stabbed" him, making people "see what I want you to see."

Barcode (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100302231934/assassinscreed/images/b/b7/Barcode.png)

The day the satellite will launch, December 21 2012. 72 days after the end of ACB.

Pyramid Of Letters (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100309005628/assassinscreed/images/f/f1/Pyramid.png)

Read from Bottom to Top, Right To Left:

they drained my soul and made it theirs I drain my body to show you where I saw it.

Obviously talks about Subject 16, don't understand how they drained his soul, however 16 drained his body to leave all these bloody clues to Desmond.

Square Of Letters (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100302231248/assassinscreed/images/d/d1/Square.png)

Same as the pyramid:

Artefacts sent to the skies to control all nations to make us obey a hidden crusade do not help them.

Something about the satellite launch, the artefacts = Pieces Of Eden.
Sent to the skies as in actually sent to the skies lol.
To make us obey due to the power of the Pieces Of Eden to control people's minds.
Do not help them. Well... obviously telling Desmond NOT TO HELP THE TEMPLARS.

Yona Guni: a supposed set of ruins sunk in the sea near japan, supposedly made by humans or some civilization, about 2 or 3 thousand years ago.

On The Wall By Desmond's Bed:
22.13: reference to the Bible:

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
It may not have been very clear what it meant by AC1 but as I watched the ending of Brotherhood again here's something Juno says after Desmond grabs the apple:

On the 72nd day before the moment of awakening. You, birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemies. The end and the beginning , who we abhor and honor. The final journey commences. There is one who would accompany you through the gate. She lies not within our sight. The cross darkens the horizon.

13.0.0.0.0.
Mayan Calendar, according to it, the world would end in this date (13.0.0.0.0.) which corresponds in our calendar to December 21 2012. Some people seem to disagree whether the mayans meant The World Would End, or if it was just a time where everything as we know it would change.

Lorenz Attractor (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg)

It appears in AC1 and also in one of the ACB puzzles where you have to rotate the image of the earth with this Lorenz thingy over it.
I do not fully understand what it means, and so, I will just leave a wikipedia link, maybe someone can understand it better since after reading it I just failed to understand it's purpose http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Lorenz Attractor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor)

Mandelbrot Set (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mandel_zoom_00_mandelbrot_set.jpg)

Once again, a lot of mathematic stuff which I fail at... as soon as I read numbers my head spins Lol..
here's the link:

Mandelbrot Set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set)

And now to the many writings in chinese, hebrew and arabic:
don't know the specific order but it means:
"The World To Come" in Hebrew

"The Eartquake" in Arabic

"You reap what you sow."

"One who wants to read into his future simply needs to write his own past."

"A man without far sight, must have near worries."

"Hearing is better than not hearing, observing is better than hearing, knowing is better than observing, and doing is better than knowing."

"As a human being, if you want to know the spiritual realm of Buddha, you have to observe, you have to know that everything you see in the world comes from your own mind."

All those in Chinese.
Well that's what I got from the previous thread.
I added some stuff, mainly the connections to ACB. Not much indeed, but something's something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
hmm that's ok, I guess I'll go to AC2 now, but before I start I'll post the bloody message:

Eye Of Providence (http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100216210435/assassinscreed/images/8/8f/Symbols2.jpg)

The eye represents God, the holy trinity (Father, Son and The Holy Spirit in each tip of the triangle.) Also has something to do with "A New World Order" which is a conspiracy theory about a corporation or some hidden group (masons, templars) taking over the world.

Eden Pyramid (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100309010302/assassinscreed/images/e/ec/Pyramid_apple.png)

This one is The Apple Of Eden shining Light upon lots of eyes, it could fairly well mean the power the apple holds to make people believe what it wants to. Also as to what Al Mualim said to Altaïr when he "stabbed" him, making people "see what I want you to see."

Barcode (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100302231934/assassinscreed/images/b/b7/Barcode.png)

The day the satellite will launch, December 21 2012. 72 days after the end of ACB.

Pyramid Of Letters (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100309005628/assassinscreed/images/f/f1/Pyramid.png)

Read from Bottom to Top, Right To Left:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> they drained my soul and made it theirs I drain my body to show you where I saw it.

Obviously talks about Subject 16, don't understand how they drained his soul, however 16 drained his body to leave all these bloody clues to Desmond.

Square Of Letters (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100302231248/assassinscreed/images/d/d1/Square.png)

Same as the pyramid:

Artefacts sent to the skies to control all nations to make us obey a hidden crusade do not help them.

Something about the satellite launch, the artefacts = Pieces Of Eden.
Sent to the skies as in actually sent to the skies lol.
To make us obey due to the power of the Pieces Of Eden to control people's minds.
Do not help them. Well... obviously telling Desmond NOT TO HELP THE TEMPLARS.

Yona Guni: a supposed set of ruins sunk in the sea near japan, supposedly made by humans or some civilization, about 2 or 3 thousand years ago.

On The Wall By Desmond's Bed:
22.13: reference to the Bible:

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.
It may not have been very clear what it meant by AC1 but as I watched the ending of Brotherhood again here's something Juno says after Desmond grabs the apple:

On the 72nd day before the moment of awakening. You, birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemies. The end and the beginning , who we abhor and honor. The final journey commences. There is one who would accompany you through the gate. She lies not within our sight. The cross darkens the horizon.

13.0.0.0.0.
Mayan Calendar, according to it, the world would end in this date (13.0.0.0.0.) which corresponds in our calendar to December 21 2012. Some people seem to disagree whether the mayans meant The World Would End, or if it was just a time where everything as we know it would change.

Lorenz Attractor (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Lorenz_attractor_yb.svg)

It appears in AC1 and also in one of the ACB puzzles where you have to rotate the image of the earth with this Lorenz thingy over it.
I do not fully understand what it means, and so, I will just leave a wikipedia link, maybe someone can understand it better since after reading it I just failed to understand it's purpose http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Lorenz Attractor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor)

Mandelbrot Set (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Mandel_zoom_00_mandelbrot_set.jpg)

Once again, a lot of mathematic stuff which I fail at... as soon as I read numbers my head spins Lol..
here's the link:

Mandelbrot Set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelbrot_set)

And now to the many writings in chinese, hebrew and arabic:
don't know the specific order but it means:
"The World To Come" in Hebrew

"The Eartquake" in Arabic

"You reap what you sow."

"One who wants to read into his future simply needs to write his own past."

"A man without far sight, must have near worries."

"Hearing is better than not hearing, observing is better than hearing, knowing is better than observing, and doing is better than knowing."

"As a human being, if you want to know the spiritual realm of Buddha, you have to observe, you have to know that everything you see in the world comes from your own mind."

All those in Chinese.
Well that's what I got from the previous thread.
I added some stuff, mainly the connections to ACB. Not much indeed, but something's something http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, truly amazing. In relation to the Lorenz Attractor thing, I didn't read the wikipedia article but I scanned it and seen it has something to do with changes in climate. As I think Minerva revealed, the sun poses some kind of threat to the earth. The sun has obviously something to do with climate, so maybe it's something to do with that?

Avl521
12-05-2010, 08:00 PM
most likely it's about the sun... it seems to be very importantin the games.

I'll start reviewing and analyzing AC2. Specially since I couldn't go out to party today... damn... oh well, AC is always welcome in my life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ROCwd
12-05-2010, 08:13 PM
If it is about the sun, then I've just had quite the eureka moment and forgive me for returning to speculation.. but it's speculation based on facts, which is what we are aiming to promote.

If this threat that the sun poses to the earth is a sudden change in climate (indicated by the Lorenz Attractor) then it must be coming on the "Day of Reckoning" December 21st 2010 and since they occur on the same day, it must be triggered by the infamous "Satellite" Launch?

Now I refer to the quote from 16's messages,


"Artefacts sent to the skies to control all nations to make us obey a hidden crusade do not help them"

What if this satellite, isn't a "satellite" per say and is actually made up of pieces of eden (which are artefacts that can make people obey hidden crusades) "thrown to the skies" like a satellite would be, with the goal of controlling the entire world ("all nations"). And "do not help them" meaning that it sparks the end of the world, through a sudden change in climate.

I know theres a lot of info there but try and make sense of what I'm saying. I think I've quite possibly solved this mystery.

Avl521
12-05-2010, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
If it is about the sun, then I've just had quite the eureka moment and forgive me for returning to speculation.. but it's speculation based on facts, which is what we are aiming to promote.

If this threat that the sun poses to the earth is a sudden change in climate (indicated by the Lorenz Attractor) then it must be coming on the "Day of Reckoning" December 21st 2010 and since they occur on the same day, it must be triggered by the infamous "Satellite" Launch?

Now I refer to the quote from 16's messages,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Artefacts sent to the skies to control all nations to make us obey a hidden crusade do not help them"

What if this satellite, isn't a "satellite" per say and is actually made up of pieces of eden (which are artefacts that can make people obey hidden crusades) "thrown to the skies" like a satellite would be, with the goal of controlling the entire world ("all nations"). And "do not help them" meaning that it sparks the end of the world, through a sudden change in climate.

I know theres a lot of info there but try and make sense of what I'm saying. I think I've quite possibly solved this mystery. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we shouldn't speculate much... this is a thread about facts and making a compilation of CONFIRMED INFORMATION about the story. However the satellite is a communications device, according to the emails it's launch was originally delayed to december 21 because it has a multi purpose to transmit signals and information much faster than normal satellites, most likely what the satellite does is project or amplify the PoE control and use the communications networks to control all of humanity.
This is also supported by the man that calls the TV company regarding a channel found between 2 channels... it's on one of 16s puzzles, tht conversation creeped the hell out of me... you have to listen to that.

emails from AC1 about the satellite:

From: Alan Rikkin
To: Warren Vidic
It's about those idiots in the pills division. We're putting out a press release about the satellite. Telling them launch has been delayed until the 21st so that we can make improvements to the 'coverage area'. Some stuff about less dropped calls. For the 'benefit of our consumers' of course. Let's just make sure you get what you need in time to meet the new launch window.

In The News about the satellite:

Eye-Abstergo Satellite Launch Postponed: Citing last minute adjustments to their new All-In-One telecommunications satellite, Eye-Abstergo have postponed the launch of their first satellite until December 21st. They maintain that their patented technology will allow faster, more reliable data transmission than previous-generation satellites which suffered from delays and interference.

notes about AC2:
when at the beginning of the game Lucy tells Desmond to enter the Animus, 2 files show up, 1 is Subject 17: Desmond Miles, the other one says Subject 16: Confidential.
Then subject 16's DNA chain starts to shine, the animus then says Searching For Relevant Memory Data... Subject 16's DNA chain stops spinning, Desmond's chain starts to spin, then it stops and some parts of it shine.
The Animus then says: MEMORY MATCH FOUND.
I think this means they both share that memory since it's a match. Therefore Subject 16 and Desmond have Ezio as a common ancester.

After we see the birth of Ezio, Lucy pulls Desmond out of the animus.
They both escape... Lucy kicks major a** on the way... we see lots of animuses or however the plural for it is...
Lucy knows something... she says the templars are only part of the problem.
Lucy took the Memory core from the Animus in abstergo, both Subject 16 and Desmond's data is in it, that added to the fact 16 could also relive Ezio's memories explains how 16 placed the glyphs/rifts in Ezio's memories.

villy23
12-05-2010, 10:47 PM
i am not sure if this has been posted yet but in the guidebook i got with ACB, some of the symbols and clues are cleared up and there are some referneces to what may happen in future games. First of all is the Capotoline Triad. This was a group of supreme deities and they were Minerva, Juno and the leader Jupiter. Jupiter was the leader of the triad and so in the final game it is assumed we will se the final God in this group. Next up is the symbols in the last scene with Juno. The two major ones of focus are the Masonic Eye and the other a Phrygian Cap, these two were combined in an 18th Century FRENCH REVOLUTION DOCUMENT. That should clear up any confusion with those two things

Crucify Lucifer
12-05-2010, 11:44 PM
Hmm, I was looking for an excuse to play through ACI again, guess this is it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. Can't say I'll be a huge help, but I'll throw any penny or two of knowledge I find next time I go through it.

X10J
12-05-2010, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
most likely it's about the sun... it seems to be very important in the games.



Yea, it's like that in most games. And real life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Avl521
12-06-2010, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by villy23:
i am not sure if this has been posted yet but in the guidebook i got with ACB, some of the symbols and clues are cleared up and there are some referneces to what may happen in future games. First of all is the Capotoline Triad. This was a group of supreme deities and they were Minerva, Juno and the leader Jupiter. Jupiter was the leader of the triad and so in the final game it is assumed we will se the final God in this group. Next up is the symbols in the last scene with Juno. The two major ones of focus are the Masonic Eye and the other a Phrygian Cap, these two were combined in an 18th Century FRENCH REVOLUTION DOCUMENT. That should clear up any confusion with those two things

Yeah about the Capitoline Triad I posted something in another thread.
After I found out the thing about the masonic eye and phrygian cap I thought about france, then thought that the 2 temples have been below churches and I found out that Notre Dame was built on top of the first church in france (St. Etiennes Basilica IIRC) and that church was built over an ancient ROMAN TEMPLE OF JUPITER.


Originally posted by X10J:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:
most likely it's about the sun... it seems to be very important in the games.



Yea, it's like that in most games. And real life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

not as important as in the AC games... the sun! Your sun! plus... it will destroy the 2012 AC world... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

X10J
12-06-2010, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by villy23:
i am not sure if this has been posted yet but in the guidebook i got with ACB, some of the symbols and clues are cleared up and there are some referneces to what may happen in future games. First of all is the Capotoline Triad. This was a group of supreme deities and they were Minerva, Juno and the leader Jupiter. Jupiter was the leader of the triad and so in the final game it is assumed we will se the final God in this group. Next up is the symbols in the last scene with Juno. The two major ones of focus are the Masonic Eye and the other a Phrygian Cap, these two were combined in an 18th Century FRENCH REVOLUTION DOCUMENT. That should clear up any confusion with those two things

Yeah about the Capitoline Triad I posted something in another thread.
After I found out the thing about the masonic eye and phrygian cap I thought about france, then thought that the 2 temples have been below churches and I found out that Notre Dame was built on top of the first church in france (St. Etiennes Basilica IIRC) and that church was built over an ancient ROMAN TEMPLE OF JUPITER.


Originally posted by X10J:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:
most likely it's about the sun... it seems to be very important in the games.



Yea, it's like that in most games. And real life. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

not as important as in the AC games... the sun! Your son! plus... it will destroy the 2012 AC world... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats how my subtitles say it.

Realy, I wish I'd have payed the slightest bit of attention to the plot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LightRey
12-06-2010, 01:12 AM
Above poster is right. Man this has been mentioned like 1000 times already. Is it so hard for people to read the previous posts before posting themselves?

Avl521
12-06-2010, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
Above poster is right. Man this has been mentioned like 1000 times already. Is it so hard for people to read the previous posts before posting themselves?

what exactly do you say has been posted already? and yeah I had subtitles on too, I made a typo, can I be forgiven please? I don't want to die...

ULT1M4T3
12-06-2010, 08:39 AM
Good idea with this thread. I finished Brotherhood like 5 times now so it's enough for now. I'll start playing AC1 today or tomorrow and I'll post everything that's related to BH or is interesting in general. Since there's alot of discussion and comment please use bolded text or something when writing the facts to make it easier to find.

Avl521
12-06-2010, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by ULT1M4T3:
Good idea with this thread. I finished Brotherhood like 5 times now so it's enough for now. I'll start playing AC1 today or tomorrow and I'll post everything that's related to BH or is interesting in general. Since there's alot of discussion and comment please use bolded text or something when writing the facts to make it easier to find.

We intend to get all the notes organized into the first post.
As you can see I've lready posted some stuff and well, I bolded some stuff already... unless you meant to bold something else?

LightRey
12-06-2010, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Above poster is right. Man this has been mentioned like 1000 times already. Is it so hard for people to read the previous posts before posting themselves?

what exactly do you say has been posted already? and yeah I had subtitles on too, I made a typo, can I be forgiven please? I don't want to die... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You gotta admit. That must've been the most inconveniant typo you could've made. And I meant that the whole what exactly is said in "The Sun... your son" thing has been mentioned 1000 times.

Avl521
12-06-2010, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by LightRey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Above poster is right. Man this has been mentioned like 1000 times already. Is it so hard for people to read the previous posts before posting themselves?

what exactly do you say has been posted already? and yeah I had subtitles on too, I made a typo, can I be forgiven please? I don't want to die... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You gotta admit. That must've been the most inconveniant typo you could've made. And I meant that the whole what exactly is said in "The Sun... your son" thing has been mentioned 1000 times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I said I'm sorry, I did have subtitles on, I did notice the son thing... again, all I can do is excuse myself and say sorry for the misunderstanding, and yeah, I know it's been said too much.
Again, sorry if it bothers you in any particular way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PhiIs1618033
12-06-2010, 10:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyKMuWqBS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH72ifzRIpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDeQgGVOco

...yeah. It's that easy. Actually playing the games is more fun, but you might miss something when taking notes.

Avl521
12-06-2010, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by PhiIs1618033...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyKMuWqBS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH72ifzRIpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDeQgGVOco

...yeah. It's that easy. Actually playing the games is more fun, but you might miss something when taking notes.

Playing the games is more fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And when watching the puzzles most of the walkthrough videos always miss stuff or don't play it completely.

ROCwd
12-06-2010, 11:31 AM
We're losing touch with our plan here.. from now on why don't we write the notes down and post them when we finish the game? Avoid using terms like "this proves.." "this means..", we are doing this to put together a collection of facts/quotes that people can consult when they have a theory about the story, let those people decide what the facts mean.

Avl521
12-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by ROCwd:
We're losing touch with our plan here.. from now on why don't we write the notes down and post them when we finish the game? Avoid using terms like "this proves.." "this means..", we are doing this to put together a collection of facts/quotes that people can consult when they have a theory about the story, let those people decide what the facts mean.

Ok!

TullyMcNasty
12-06-2010, 01:20 PM
First post!

Anyway, since the ending of Brotherhood I've been frustrated so if you'd have me I'd also like to participate in this.

X10J
12-06-2010, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LightRey:
Above poster is right. Man this has been mentioned like 1000 times already. Is it so hard for people to read the previous posts before posting themselves?

what exactly do you say has been posted already? and yeah I had subtitles on too, I made a typo, can I be forgiven please? I don't want to die... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry mate I wasn't being serious, my intentions were light hearted joking around.

well except the typo, I didn't know you had subs on, and it's a common mistake.

honestly, your doing fine work, thank you.

Avl521
12-06-2010, 04:33 PM
So, should I refrain from posting notes until I finish AC2?

ROCwd
12-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
So, should I refrain from posting notes until I finish AC2?

It might make it easier for me to organise them at the end if they're all together, but if you want to post them as you go along then that's fine too

ROCwd
12-06-2010, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by TullyMcNasty:
First post!

Anyway, since the ending of Brotherhood I've been frustrated so if you'd have me I'd also like to participate in this.

Great, thank you very much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rileypoole1234
12-06-2010, 06:29 PM
I'd like to give it a go. Put my name on the list mate.


Cheers

persiateddy95
12-10-2010, 11:11 AM
In the end of AC1, those letters on the floor, next to the animus, has anyone ever wondered what it meant? As I'm not sure what you people already know. Perhaps it's a secrete message in another language, or maybe the letters are out of order.

ibn-al-ahad
12-10-2010, 12:25 PM
Maybe we should get in the conversations with Lucy ( AC1 ) and the team ( AC2-ACB )

Note: Lucy`s playing project legacy in ACB, easter egg or templar conection?

Also, we should build profiles on Minerva (wise), Juno (aggressive) and Jupiter(?)

PS: Get someone to play trough Project legacy.

My 2 cents

X10J
12-13-2010, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
In the end of AC1, those letters on the floor, next to the animus, has anyone ever wondered what it meant? As I'm not sure what you people already know. Perhaps it's a secrete message in another language, or maybe the letters are out of order.

If you mean these

M O R Y M N O E S
E N C E O L C H T
H O N B T L O T C
T D E O S A T O A
P E D S N L S T F
L D D U O O E T E
E A I E I R I N T
H S H K T T K E R
T U A A A N S S A

There's another one but I won't put it. (lazy)

If you read them right to left, bottom to top, you'll be able to understand them. If you don't want to bother, the first one reads:

ARTEFACTS SENT TO THE SKIES TO CONTROL ALL NATIONS TO MAKE US OBEY A HIDDEN CRUSADE DO NOT HELP THEM

The one I've not posted reads:

THEY DRAINED MY SOUL AND MADE IT THEIRS I DRAINED MY BODY TO SHOW YOU WHERE I SAW IT

persiateddy95
12-13-2010, 10:50 AM
I knew it had to be some sort of secret message http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

SMILLERISMYANME
12-16-2010, 02:33 PM
because I'm a massive geek, I will play the games, and have done start to finish. anyone else find the last game a massive letdown?

sam the miller

SMILLERISMYANME
12-16-2010, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by TullyMcNasty:
First post!

Anyway, since the ending of Brotherhood I've been frustrated so if you'd have me I'd also like to participate in this.

was it a dissapointment for you as well?

xcamthemandudex
12-16-2010, 06:01 PM
Sure, I'd join in, I just started a new game and have no school/plans for a couple of weeks.

dchil279
12-16-2010, 06:39 PM
Count me in, I'm getting Bloodlines for christmas, making me the owner of any game or media Assassin's Creed related. It will take a damn while to go through all of it, but I'm determined to either figure out what's going on, or fast-forward time to the release of AC3

dchil279
12-16-2010, 06:41 PM
Note: Lucy`s playing project legacy in ACB, easter egg or templar conection?

easter egg

dchil279
12-16-2010, 06:49 PM
Also, just a suggestion but I believe that only AC:Project Legacy and AC:The Fall will reveal any new knowledge. You might also be able to find something in glyph puzzles and rift clusters.

P.S. sorry for sort of spamming this thread w/ the last 3 posts

xcamthemandudex
12-16-2010, 08:03 PM
Just out of curiosity, how detailed do you want the reports?

X10J
12-16-2010, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by persiateddy95:
I knew it had to be some sort of secret message http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Pleasure.

ULT1M4T3
12-17-2010, 07:33 AM
Alright, I finally had the time to replay AC1 and I think i found something interesting in the last sequence

1. The place when Altair fights with Al-Mualim is reffered to (in the Animus) as Paradise.

2. When Altair enters Masyaf, he meets a villager controlled by the Apple. He talks about The Path- from what I understand, everyone controlled by Apple is "walking The Path".
The Path is also mentioned by Subject 16 and Juno in AC:Brotherhood. 16 says (as the AI/computer voice) in Cluster 10:

It is time, Desmond Miles. I know how to open The Path. Soon, my true purpose will be revealed. Soon, I will not be alone.
Before Desmond stabs Lucy, Juno says:

The Path must be opened. You cannot escape your part in this. The scales shall be balanced.
It seems that the meaning of "The Path" changes in Brotherhood

3. Place, where Altair is immobilized by Al-Mualim and then fight is very similar to the lift that takes the Modern day Assassins to Juno's Temple

That's the most interesting thing I found. There are good articles on the Wikia about E-mails (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/E-mails) and 16's messages (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Cryptic_Messages) ,so there's no point in writing about them.
If I'll have the time to replay AC2 then I'll post my findings, but it seems that only Glyps seems important.

xcamthemandudex
12-21-2010, 07:59 PM
Shameless bump.

Tome_Croire
12-23-2010, 09:58 AM
I would like to help i have AC2 and AC:BH, and I'm also playing Project Legacy. I could get the first AC and i remember almost everything about bloodlines.

TheSpectator
12-23-2010, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by xcamthemandudex:
Shameless bump.
There is never any shame in a good bumping.
The shame comes later in the afterbump.

Jash1434
12-23-2010, 01:19 PM
I think the real shame would be not bumping at all

xcamthemandudex
12-23-2010, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xcamthemandudex:
Shameless bump.
There is never any shame in a good bumping.
The shame comes later in the afterbump. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After-bump?