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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:21 AM
Has anyone been able to overheat the thing yet? I just flew the D-27 online and lasted the whole time until i ran outta ammo with the throttle at 110% and radiators closed with no overheat.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:21 AM
Has anyone been able to overheat the thing yet? I just flew the D-27 online and lasted the whole time until i ran outta ammo with the throttle at 110% and radiators closed with no overheat.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:34 AM
Can u re-produce it?
Could u supply us with a track perhaps?
How long is "the hole time"?
Does it only happens online?
What was your fuelmix and prosettings?
What was your altitude?

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:36 AM
I overheated it, it takes a couple of minutes. Maybe on your server, engine overheat was off? (so people can put trim on their slider... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

Zayets
08-13-2003, 09:37 AM
My Jug overheats like a ***** cow. 110% radiator closed , no more than 5 minutes especially in a climb. Nothing changed regarding this since original.


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:40 AM
Yup, it overheats.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 09:58 AM
indeed, some precisions are needed...

tonight, i had the same issue with a fw190A5, being always at 110% throttle, with WEP,radiator closed , could fly forever (four minutes) without overheating... on a winter map http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:08 PM
yep.....You really have to watch it. I think it overheats worse now than before. I need to work on CEM to see if that helps.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:13 PM
lbhskier37 wrote:
- Has anyone been able to overheat the thing yet? I
- just flew the D-27 online and lasted the whole time
- until i ran outta ammo with the throttle at 110% and
- radiators closed with no overheat.
-
- "Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"

Mine overheats very fast on 110%.

On the other hand the BF109 F4 doesn't overheat at 110% with flaps closed for me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:14 PM
Yeah, it overheats...

But you can hold it there for a while too.
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:36 PM
I was on a winter map, I will try it again and post some real data if I can reproduce it. Sorry about nothing to back it up, I was going to bed and just wanted to know if anyone else saw the same thing...Not whining either, I just thought it seemed odd.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:46 PM
It overheats. Its the only bird I fly pretty much and I can assure you that it overheats. Maybe you was in a game with overheat off.
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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:50 PM
It overheats like a wood stove on my system. At least she flies much better and can hold her own now at higher alts/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 05:58 PM
I was surprised that it overheats so fast. the other air cooled radials seem much better at keeping cool.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:01 PM
I had no trouble at all getting the Bolt to overheat. but I didn't mind because I was enjoying the changes to her flight model too much.

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 06:09 PM
Here it is in a winter map in the evening, I was in a server last night at this time on this map and it wouldnt overheat. Dont laugh at the end, I was bored and ran outta stuff to strafe, and Im not too good with the Jug/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:30 PM
bump

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:32 PM
Don't the winter maps affect how fast a plane over-heats?
Winter=Cold....I flew a 109 campaign in the original IL2,and while it easily overheated during the summer,it rarely overheated in the winter(snowy) months...

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:36 PM
I don't sweat too much in the winter.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 07:50 PM
Overheats after 5 minutes here even with cowl open at 2 100 mix water injectore engauged 90 prop pitch at 3500, with 2 500lbers and 25 fuel

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:11 PM
I know but winter shouldnt effect it that much. If it overheats easy in summer, it should overheat comparativly easy in winter. Can someone see if they can get one to overheat in winter?

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:31 PM
The P-47 overheats quickly at low altitude (but what are you doing at low altitude in a P-47, anyway? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

At high altitude it's very hard to get it to overheat (say, 5,000 m plus).

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 08:55 PM
P-47 variants with water injection should overheat after 10 minutes (standard day temperature), just like all the planes which use antidetonation mixtures (like 109K4). Most of the planes without water injection should overheat after 5 minutes, even at 90% throttle (for a precise throttle setting check the max continous setting in POH - this is what you can keep without overheating).


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:24 PM
Can anyone out there post a track with a P47 overheating in winter? I posted a track showing it doesn't, I just want to confirm this.

BTW not being a whiner, I love the Jug and fly it whenever I am forced onto VVS


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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:50 PM
A problem with the Jug in the ETO was that it sometime ran too cold. This sludged up the engine and sometimes caused plug problems.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:56 PM
SkyChimp wrote:
- A problem with the Jug in the ETO was that it
- sometime ran too cold. This sludged up the engine
- and sometimes caused plug problems.
-
- Regards,
-
- SkyChimp
-

The Russians also had similare problems with the P-47 during the Russian winter, and it was one of the reasons the VVS considered it unsuitable for use in the Eastern front. Apparently the radiator fins would get to cold and crack, damaging the engine.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:00 AM
Yes, but shouldnt this only been a problem when the engine was sitting for a while and then started? I think those 18 big cylinders were pumping enough heat after a few minutes of operation to keep it warm. So you guys are saying that in the winter it should never overheat? That doesnt sound quite right.


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Hawgdog
08-14-2003, 12:06 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- I don't sweat too much in the winter.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 12:22 AM
Wow, you really wont quit will you? You have like 20 people saying it WILL overheat, and a few that say that it should not but does and your still sticking to your "I cant get the Jug to overheat, whaaaa!" BS? Also note, they yes. Temperature of the air does matter at low alt. There is a big differance between air on the engine at 15 degrees and 90 degrees. Its not till you climb in altitude were the air temp is the same all over the world. Like 5000M or higher I think the temp levels off. So in a winter map, its harder to overheat almost any engine. In summer, I need to constantly nurse the cowel flaps and my throttle to keep it from overheating.

Gib

lbhskier37 wrote:
- Yes, but shouldnt this only been a problem when the
- engine was sitting for a while and then started? I
- think those 18 big cylinders were pumping enough
- heat after a few minutes of operation to keep it
- warm. So you guys are saying that in the winter it
- should never overheat? That doesnt sound quite
- right.
-
-
- "Ich bin ein Wuergerwhiner"


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 01:05 AM
This isnt a whine, I am asking if anyone tried it in winter. No one says they have overheated it in the winter. If it shouldnt overheat in the winter, it also shouldnt overheat about above 5000m where the air temp drops off. I don't know if it is wrong or not I am just asking what other people have found. If someone tells me they have overheated it in the winter thats all I want to know, I just havnt yet.


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