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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:19 AM
I believe that is the correct name anyway. It is the cheapest HOTAS setup I could find and many around here seem to enjoy it. However, when I went to my local store to take a look at it, the rudder control isnt on the stick but is rather two buttons.

So, for those who use this stick, how does that rudder work for you? Seems like you dont have as much control over it, as you can only give it full rudder to either side where with it on the joystick axis you have control over how much rudder to apply.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:19 AM
I believe that is the correct name anyway. It is the cheapest HOTAS setup I could find and many around here seem to enjoy it. However, when I went to my local store to take a look at it, the rudder control isnt on the stick but is rather two buttons.

So, for those who use this stick, how does that rudder work for you? Seems like you dont have as much control over it, as you can only give it full rudder to either side where with it on the joystick axis you have control over how much rudder to apply.

?

Fish itchy

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:23 AM
The X-45 rudder rocker is nasty. You have to bend your left hand around in a totally unnatural way. Very uncomfortable.

I use an X-45 with CH rudder pedals.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:24 AM
I dotn mind it too much, but I have prety big hands.


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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:29 AM
Since aquiring mine I have almost given up using rudder. I have small hands. One thing I did do though is to reverse the operation of the throttle. Pulling back is full throttle and to the firewall is idle. This allows for a more compfortable reach to the rudder.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:32 AM
u get used afther a while, i like it, and i am normaly one of the higher scoring guys in any room game... i dont use this name in hyperlobby

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 12:40 AM
US_8th_Dosiere wrote:
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- However, when I went
- to my local store to take a look at it, the rudder
- control isnt on the stick but is rather two buttons.
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Its not actually two buttons - the rudder is a rocker switch/bar with analog input. If you have big hands/long fingers its not a problems to use it. I quite like the arrangement, big improvement over twist axis on the stick - though arguably still inferior to peddals.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 01:40 AM
I too upgraded to CH pedals from my X45 stick.

However, the rocker rudder is ok. A good trick is to invert the throttle so that 100% is with the throttle pulled back towards you.

As you spend most of your time with the throttle in the 50-100% area this places the rudder in a much more ergonomically comfortable position.

Try it. Once you get over the throttle reversal (not a problem for hardcore sim-chopper pilots) then this is a big improvement.

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08-15-2003, 01:45 AM
I think its fine. Good enough that I'm not tempted to buy $100 worth of new pedal hardware. I did play with some "pedals" I made to see what it was like, but the X45 lever is just about the same to me. I've got mid-size hands, and have no trouble operating the lever. It's a great stick all around IMO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 01:55 AM
i would take some pedals over it any day, but it's ok once you get used to it. a twistie stick is much much easier, but the x45's rudder rocker is a lot more rewarding. if you don't have large hands though, i would save up for some pedals before you switch. i have normal sized hands and it's still freaking hard to reach all the buttons on that beast.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:14 AM
I use that rocker for my flaps. My rudder is on pedals and my rudder trim which is very helpfull in thoise fine tuning situations is on the twist handle of my MSFFB stick. If you dont have or cant afford pedals you might consider getting a MSFFB2 stick. FB supports both together and you copuld put your rudder on the twist handle. I prefer the pedals. It took me about a year to get this rig the way it is but i love it. The X45 is thr best HOTAS for the $$$.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 11:21 AM
I play IL2FB on two PCs, one with Thrustmaster F22&pedals and one with X45.

The X45 rudder control is not good, you may want to invest the money on a set of rudders. It helps a lot dogfighting using rudder pedals, it increases the fine tuning of your plane !

I only use the rudder control of the X45 for getting out of spin situations (full right or left).

See it like this: the value for money of the X45 is incredible and you get a basic rudder control for free!
I actually bought two X45s because I heard they stopped production.
I will buy a set of rudder pedals for my X45 as soon as I have the money.

Thanks for the tip on reversing the throttle, will try it, too. Ah yes, and on the MS2FFB

Any recommendations on which pedals work well with the X45 ?

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 11:30 AM
The rudder is fine on the X-45.

But only if you have medium to large sized hands, or don't mind 'reaching over' to operate your rudder controls.

But it..... you can always update with add-on rudder pedals later if you don't like it... better still, have a closer look at the throlle in the shop before you buy...

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 11:57 AM
I found it almost useless for my delicate, girlish hands.

I bought some pedals.

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