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socko2009
01-28-2010, 08:11 AM
With the actual release of SH5 approaching; …..I think that it’s probably the appropriate time to face up to the grim, distasteful realities of the situation!

…..And let me say right up front that I have NO “Inside Info”!! ….I have simply been paying attention to what UBI has actually stated!

Let’s look at what we have actually been told (or shown in graphics):

1) We are only getting a TypeVII boat.
2) The War ends in 1943.
3) The new DRM requires full time Internet Connection.
4) The periscope view lacks the info needed for doing a manual solution.
5) We have a moronic cook who asks us to “Taste the Soup” every time we walk by.

It looks to me as though we are about to be seriously disappointed!

….We can all forget about technical points like more advanced dive and trim control, more realistic torpedo performance, playable destroyers, Wolfpacks, advanced Multiplayer capabilities, and all of the 101 other things that we, as dedicated UBI simulation customers, have asked for and/or suggested.

WE’RE NOT GETTING THEM!!

What we ARE going to get is a glossy package loaded with nice impressive “Eye-Candy”, ….but “Dumbed-Down” to the point where it FEELS like a console game! ….And we will be expected to jump through on-line “hoops” just to play it!!

Forget about speculation and hopes: …..Other than the impressive graphics, there is NOTHING in what we have been ACTUALLY SHOWN that is an improvement over SH3!


S.

Lt_Letum
01-28-2010, 08:21 AM
And in gameplay terms, nothing in SH3 that's an improvement over Aces of the Deep.

WhiteKnight77
01-28-2010, 08:39 AM
Socko, this is just the next "shoot one's self in the foot" deal that Ubi is fond of. Ubi has been taking games that required thought and planning and making them "accessible" to the average gamer. This dates back to Ghost Recon 2 and Rainbow Six Letdown if not a bit earlier. Games that were once team based are now hero character games that follow the CoD formula of gameplay.

Ubi was known for it's niche market games, the SH series, iL2, LoMac, GR and some of the R6 series, yet they have bastardized most of them or apparently lost out on publishing the rest due to how they have wanted to change the game's direction.

GertFroebe_neu
01-28-2010, 08:41 AM
A lot of my frustration also comes from the desasterous information policy from UBI. Just here and there they drop bad news about the game as if they would believe we might think of it as actually good news.

I think the DEVs are doing a good job and I really would like to hear what they think about SH5 right now.

... whatever. I wont buy SH5, because it does not seem to be a game I am longer interested in (although I am an uboat buff and a simulation player).

doogerie
01-28-2010, 08:59 AM
I really don't think we shoul knock it till we try it and anyway if the devs think that UBI have cahnged there game too much SH6 may well got another publisher like 2k or EA

Nothegger1952
01-28-2010, 09:28 AM
Originally posted by socko2009:
5) We have a moronic cook who asks us to “Taste the Soup” every time we walk by.


hopefully, because according to the testers who played the press-demo for the German game magazines, the crew could not speak any word, they have watched silently.

GertFroebe_neu
01-28-2010, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Nothegger1952:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by socko2009:
5) We have a moronic cook who asks us to “Taste the Soup” every time we walk by.


hopefully, because according to the testers who played the press-demo for the German game magazines, the crew could not speak any word, they have watched silently. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe another feature that wont make it in the final version?

Maverick_U2007
01-28-2010, 11:34 AM
I agree with Socko, as I always seem to do, mainly becuase he does speak a lot of sense, sense which seems to have deserted Ubisoft and sense that has seen changes around these forums that are not also in the best interests of this community.

Ubisoft are however, sat back watching these forums and are probably having a good laugh at our expense. If you haven't noticed there have been numerous posts that are breaching the rules on these forums and these breaches appear to be overlooked. Have not seen anyone being pulled up for bad language implied or chatter with regards to getting pirated copies. I have the utmost regard for our Moderator here Tambor and will hear nothing said against his name but I have a belief that the powers that be have issued 'orders' to let things run for a little while, let us vent our anger and they then hope that once the game releases that things will settle down.

I wanted to buy this game and the Assasins Creed 2, not anymore but it now seems there is a new game that Ubisoft have invented....forget Alien v Predator this one is

Ubisoft V Customers........there will not be a part 2 because all their customers will have gone!!!!!

Maverick

PS, Ms-Kleaneasy feel free to step in anytime you wish and either confirm or deny the DRM on Silent Hunter V, give me the answer I have been asking for 2 months on the Uplay issue, the promised answer on the SH4 Multiplayer question or are Ubisoft going to keep on treating us like mushrooms.....keep us in the dark and feed us muck.

RedTerex
01-28-2010, 11:45 AM
Why, why, why oh why do they NEVER listen to the gamers when creating these repugnant products?? why do they ALWAYS go their own way...down the ego road of ruin and a zillion patches??

The SH forum with its 100,000 posts over many many years with everything the gamer wants and its all basically ingnored for their own career justifying ideas. Do they never ever learn ?

Even over at the best U-boat forum on the planet aka subsim.com they are all saying the same thing.

So it will be upto the modders again to creat a working game as it was with SH4 and SH3 and SH2

SH5 R.I.P Rust In Pieces Muwwaahahahahahahahahaha

tambor198
01-28-2010, 01:21 PM
Ubisoft are however, sat back watching these forums and are probably having a good laugh at our expense. If you haven't noticed there have been numerous posts that are breaching the rules on these forums and these breaches appear to be overlooked. Have not seen anyone being pulled up for bad language implied or chatter with regards to getting pirated copies. I have the utmost regard for our Moderator here Tambor and will hear nothing said against his name but I have a belief that the powers that be have issued 'orders' to let things run for a little while, let us vent our anger and they then hope that once the game releases that things will settle down.



To put it in one word, "Wrong". You may rest assured that I and others are keeping a close eye on this and other threads.

Maverick_U2007
01-28-2010, 01:36 PM
Mmmm, I did notice how quickly someone got slapped down after I had posted...nice to know you are around Tambor to keep things in check.

Maverick

andy3536
01-28-2010, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by socko2009:
2) The War ends in 1943.


S.

Don't tell me they let Tarrantino in on the project http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

socko2009
01-28-2010, 02:10 PM
Hey Andy!!!!

How are things going???

It's good to see you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Socko

andy3536
01-28-2010, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by socko2009:
Hey Andy!!!!

How are things going???

It's good to see you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Socko

Things are going well thankyou and you?

I'm still around from time to time, mabee not as often but still here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

gamer025
01-28-2010, 02:19 PM
Dare I say it may be time to build an open-sourced subsim game?

Not that I'd be part of it. I can't program at all.

tambor198
01-28-2010, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Maverick_U2007:
Mmmm, I did notice how quickly someone got slapped down after I had posted...nice to know you are around Tambor to keep things in check.

Maverick


You may rest asured that I am always around somewhere, Maverick. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Maverick_U2007
01-28-2010, 03:01 PM
Maybe the developers have done some research and have come up with an alternative ending to the war based on history....

"In 1943 the German High Command offered to turn Wehrmacht against Waffen-SS and help U.S. win the war. In 2002 Charles Fenyvesi was combing through the declassified WWII files at the U.S. National Archives when he came across a surprise. In July 1943 Count Helmuth James von Moltke - the German military intelligence service (Abwehr) representative at the German High Command and an anti-Nazi - made a secret visit to the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA) in Istanbul offering to turn Wehrmacht against the Waffen-SS and make a separate peace with the Americans. Moltke also gave the OSS a list of the high rank Germans involved in the conspiracy: Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, Field Marshal Wilhelm List, Colonel General Ludwig Beck, Colonel General Franz Halder... "

Here is the whole story of the plot....

1943 Plot (http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1484)

Maverick

RedTerex
01-28-2010, 06:44 PM
Great stuff Maverick, as usual your posts are intelligent and informative and I reckon your right...the Dev team are part of that plot, I'm sure their names are on that list !

They have probably built in obsolesence to the u-boot as well, you know welding up the torp hatches, cutting the brake pipes and including a cook who will put laxative in the soup....hence trying to get the Capt to taste it all the time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good research and well done for uncovering the plot ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

we shall now send around the Sicherheitsdeinst-SD to have them all arrested, then SH5 can end in 1945 as history dictates http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

WhiteKnight77
01-28-2010, 08:33 PM
Here are some facts about Ubi:

1 They will take a great game and turn it into something it wasn't to begin with.

2 They completely change GOTY winners into CoD clones.

3 Forum Managers are an additional layer of insulation between the customer and the developers. Community Managers were the ones to do the now FM job.

4 Ubi has a PR problem. They do not know how to promote the games they make.

5 Ubi fails to support games for more than a year.

6 Ubi's Tech Support doesn't have a clue and more often than not, recommends those with problems come to the forums, where there is only fan based community support.

7 Ubi completely ignores console piracy and treats it's paying customers like criminals (Ubi's CEO really needs to look at Stardock's Gamer's Bill of Rights). Ubi suffers from head in sand syndrome.

8 Ubi fails at Business 101 in that they fail to keep the customers they already have. Instead they try to attract more by trying to develop clones of games that are better supported and better made and have more features than those developed by Ubi.

9 Ubi is only interested in the "flavor of the month" gaming crowd.

These are what I can think of off the top of my head.

RedTerex
01-29-2010, 07:54 AM
I had a good laugh at those nine points Whiteknight and I dont see how any of them could ever be brushed off as insurmountable when you must surely have copied them from Ubis 'Game Developers For Dummies'

WhiteKnight77
01-29-2010, 08:00 AM
I call it as I see it and after being here 8+ years, I have seen Ubi do a lot, not always good.

Celeon999
01-29-2010, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by andy3536:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by socko2009:
2) The War ends in 1943.


S.

Don't tell me they let Tarrantino in on the project http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I just tried to imagine what a SH-V Tarrantino Edition would look like....and it was some really awkward stuff i saw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3668/quentintarantinobio.jpg

Why does he always remind me of Dr. Rodney Mckay from Stargate Atlantis ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

kapitan-holmann
02-04-2010, 06:09 AM
I like the entire game as it seems to come out.
(and no,i'm not a short sighted idiot!).
even with a shorter campaign and lesser subs the product will be good if not bug-loaded and if they would take more notice of details like uniforms;
most of the time you'll be sitting inside your sub watching your men passing allong and then...there is that army-uniform dressed gunny!
my first work will be to put max into a more navy-like outfit...
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s99/yveswouters/max2.jpg

AbleMaster
02-04-2010, 06:52 AM
I agree Kapitan-holmann all we hear in these forums is people ****ging UBI off, and the game isnt even out yet. Lets all wait for the release and see what we really get, it looks good and DRM wont be as bad as some make out, im tired of all this slating before the release, so bring on the release then we can praise or slate it. Im remaining positive simply because you need to and im sure it will be a success once the dust settles. Looking forward to it, so get it out sort out the bugs and get on with it, bring it on.

kapitan-holmann
02-04-2010, 12:41 PM
i think that this sim is one(like SHIV) is one you have to learn to love.
SHIII was a dream-sim and too many hoped for a remake of it with the pro's of current graphics,effects,added compartments and so on.
but then it would not be a new game,only a makeover.
i find it kinda sad that,like in microsofts "combat flight simulator 3" the decisions and achievements of one submarine will have such a influence on the outcome of the war by using a dynamic campaign.
i can,although,agree that when you do your job better you will have certain advantages like faster reloads and refits in a harbour or the option to be granted another homeport.
the higher you are on the ace-ladder the easyer one schould be able to lay his hands on torpedo's,(segnificant)better crewmembers and so on.
but it's unrealistic that by not doing your job perfectly the enemy,for instance,doubles it's forces in certain areas,just beacouse of that.

but as i said,one has to learn to love the new approach and like we all know;after it's released there will be some guys who jump on it to start getting rid of the sharp edges by modding to make the product as the community wants it!

Dannygjk
02-05-2010, 03:38 AM
This actually in reply to the people suggesting we reserve judgment until we buy and play SH5:

Are you aware that you CANNOT return software?
At least that is the case here in Canada.

dannygjk

kapitan-holmann
02-05-2010, 02:10 PM
i think the easyest way to find out if the product is good is wait another month and see how the reviews by game-sites and users here are.
maybe then you can be convinced by,on one side;being right you didn't buy and on the other hand,if the game is recieved good,to buy it(maybe from a market place site from someone who doesn't like SH5 after trying it out).
simple solution to a dificult problem.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WhiteKnight77
02-05-2010, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by kapitan-holmann:
i think the easyest way to find out if the product is good is wait another month and see how the reviews by game-sites and users here are.
maybe then you can be convinced by,on one side;being right you didn't buy and on the other hand,if the game is recieved good,to buy it(maybe from a market place site from someone who doesn't like SH5 after trying it out).
simple solution to a dificult problem.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Game magazines and game review sites are not places I want to get a review from. I want it from gamers who took a chance and bought the game. I trust many of the long time gamers here (and other forums I frequent) for their opinion. I would not have bought SHIV if not for their opinions.

For the record, due to what I have seen Ubi do with games over the years, I do not just rush out and buy their games when first released. I have saved much money because of that. With bastardized games and lack of support for said games, not to mention how buggy they are, I keep the money for something else.

kleaneasy
02-06-2010, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Here are some facts about Ubi:

Wk you really must stop miss using the word 'fact' when discussing your opinions. Many of those points are pure opinion while others outright false.

Forum managers are not additional insulation, we've had this discussion countless times. If you chose to disregard that it’s your choice but doing so doesn’t suddenly make your opinion fact.

If Ubi has a PR problem how is it they continue to sell titles so well? In fact you've contradicted this very same point in other threads in the past stating you believe its only because they've got good PR and marketing they manage to sell games you consider poor quality that otherwise wouldn’t sell.

The piracy problem is another discussion you and I have had on numerous occasions. I've explained time and again contrary to your opinion console piracy is not as big an issue as you claim, a point proven in a recent thread in the Splinter Cell forums with specific piracy figures to support my claim unlike yours.

You’re very much entitled to your opinion but do please make it clear your posting opinion and stop miss using the term facts.

WhiteKnight77
02-06-2010, 07:19 PM
If Ubi is promoting GR4, where are the screens and videos? It is generally, only within 3 or so months of release that anything is posted unlike other companies. Even for SHV, the website was just opened to the public this past week. Maybe PR is the wrong word to use. How about marketing? There are those who will absorb anything Ubi about it's games and will buy said games. Maybe this is why Ubi is using "alternative" marketing ventures like Facebook and Twitter. They are moving away from more traditional advertising venues to reach those who may not know about the dismal quality of Ubi games and sucker them to buy them. After all, Ubi has had it's profits dip over the past fiscal year.

Why did Ubi hire more people to interact with the community when those who were originally tasked with doing so, the Community Managers, should be? Forum Managers are middlemen and nothing more and I am not the only one to know it.

skullcowboy_tx
02-08-2010, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<snip>a point proven in a recent thread in the Splinter Cell forums with specific piracy figures to support my claim unlike yours.<snip>

Link please? It is always interesetsing to see 'specific piracy figures' as they are often anything but.