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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:01 AM
I dont know if this is offtopic but i know there are some pretty big flight-sim spenders in here. Is FS2004 pretty sweet? I've been looking at pictures and it seems like you can do a lot of real cool things in it. But like do you have to be a real pilot to play it? Cause i've downloaded some demos of those types of flight sim games and i totally suck at playing them cause i'm not a real pilot and understand the controls whatsoever. All i understand is joystick, throttle, and fire. Do you have to be airplane super nerd to play that game? just wonderin



Message Edited on 09/21/0307:37PM by brtnstrns

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:01 AM
I dont know if this is offtopic but i know there are some pretty big flight-sim spenders in here. Is FS2004 pretty sweet? I've been looking at pictures and it seems like you can do a lot of real cool things in it. But like do you have to be a real pilot to play it? Cause i've downloaded some demos of those types of flight sim games and i totally suck at playing them cause i'm not a real pilot and understand the controls whatsoever. All i understand is joystick, throttle, and fire. Do you have to be airplane super nerd to play that game? just wonderin



Message Edited on 09/21/0307:37PM by brtnstrns

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 07:19 AM
You probably don't have to be too much of a super nerd to play it, but to interact with the folks playing it at the MSN Zone you do. I was there last night in the chat room and it was the biggest bunch of "lol'ing" and "*waves*" geeks I have ever seen. Their pet phrase is "LEGO". It means "Left everyone at gate one" They seem to think this is funny, kind of like some people think fneb is funny.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:56 AM
You probly have to learn a litle more abaout radio com and controls but if your going to fly the wright flyer or something like that your il2 experience are going to be more than enough/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 04:17 PM
sweet

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:11 PM
I prefer FS over IL2, now. I need to make room on my hard drive for LOMAC, and if it's a choice to remove Sturmonik or FS2004, FS2004 stays. Seeing as this is a Sturmovik forum, there are no doubt going to be people who will disagree with this.

These are the things that I have done to increase my enjoyment of FS. I suspect that if you don't agree with them, you would probably prefer to fly Sturmovik:

a) I enjoy learning about flight procedures. What exactly goes on in the cockpit of that 737 when I'm stuck in row 14 seat D? I like to know that kind of stuff. FS comes packaged with excellent tutorials and an encyclopedia of flight information.
b) I enjoy buying fancy peripherals and add-ons. Well, I suppose that works for Sturmovik, too, but there's a great number of add-ons for FS (my favorite is Flight Deck Companion, which gives you an interactive copilot and engineer).
c) I enjoy researching real-world topics with useful applications. Again, the same kind of goes for Sturmovik, but I can't say that I get the same kick out of studying flight envelopes and engineers' notes in Russian about a plane that I quite frankly know very little about in terms of a practical sense (before the IL2 game came out, how many gamers knew what a Sturmovik was?). But how to operate an OBS, or how to navigate using a radio or the beautiful, beautiful Garmin GPS map, is pretty keen for me, and I can go to a normal airplane and find those guages and take satisfaction that I now know something about them.
d) I like flying over my own house, and flying to and from other real-world locations that I have actually been to. The visuals in FS really help to enhance that "I've been there" feeling. I really like the visuals in Sturmovik as well, but the Sturmovik maps only let you go to a limited region compared to FS.

On the other hand, sometimes shooting things gets boring, or repetitive, or you start to think about what it would actually feel like to kill someone with one of those sleek, awful weapons, or worse, what it would feel like to be trapped in a burning cockpit 3,000 metres above the frozen tundra on a beautiful, cloudless, ice-cast morning and know that the next breath, or maybe the one after that would be the last before you are totally extinguished... grim. That's not to say that you can't do grim things in FS, like making your own 9/11 scenario, but at least to advance in FS, nobody has to die.

If you feel that any of what I have said doesn't apply to you, then FS is maybe not a good investment. It does get expensive to feed the civilian flight habit, especially once you hit the limitations of the FS engine, and you decide to expand your hobby, either with better computer equipment, or actual real-worl flight experience. If money is a problem, stay away from FS, even if it's in the bargain bin.

Anyway, I'm glad you asked that question, I've been meaning to post about this for months.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:33 PM
what is fneb? i never saw this before....

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:36 PM
Yeah, i like what you have said, learning about that stuff is cool and thats one of the reasons i want it. But like does the stuff they show in the picuters really happen? I've seen like a plane crash in the ocean near the beach where like they have cars and people standing all around it collecting evidence or whatever...and i've seen one wehre like the plane had an emergency landing and all the fire engines are around it and stuff and the flotation slide thing is out of the plane. Does all this really happen? I also like the idea of like virtual airlines and that stuff. But do you have to have a super computer to play the game? And can i play it well enough with just a joystick and throttle? Or do i have to buy that expensive mother of a flight yoke?

RichardI
09-21-2003, 09:39 PM
fneb isn't funny? Alway makes me laugh....oh well...

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 09:52 PM
It's a good game if you handle boredom well.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:04 PM
Piloting an helo is far from boring, for one.

Latest dgen, weather and graphics are absolutely stunning, so after 20 years of FS-something I can still have fun sightseeing in my cessna.

ATC is sweet, they take you from parking in airport A to parking in airport B, with a lot of chatting and setting xponders, radios, etc in between. Single player is far less "solo" than FB, ironically.

And, there is [insert fav warbird here] available for that sim. Now that I think to it, excuse me, I have to download that beautiful Fiat Cr.42..

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:10 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:17 PM
I always felt the FM was a little suspect(some would say that for FB as well). Excluding the commercial liners, I think most of the planes are simply too easy to fly. That's just my opinion. I have FS2002(not 04). Maybe that's changed in 2004, I don't know. The series is okay,but I haven't been overly impressed. Dex would definately disagree with me./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 09:58 AM
They are easy to fly in real life too. I am a private pilot in RL and have had the wonderful opportunity to fly a real life commercial 737 and 747 simulator. Flying a small Cessna is no more "difficult" than flying - and even landing - a fully laden Boeing 747.

The difficulties (well, some of them) come in when you are faced with an emergency situation. That is where the airline transport pilot draws on skill, training and experience and where the run of the mill single engined private pilot will be lost (a simmer with no RL experience is dead before he even starts).

Without specific training and continuous practise, the private pilot will NEVER be able to deal with multiple engine failures or fires; hydraulics and/or electrics failure; catastrophic bird strike (into engine intake) on take-off or landing; smoke or fire in cabin or cockpit and so on.

Hell, its a lot more difficult to squirm out of a situation with your Fw190 with an hot LA7 on your *** in FB when you are low and slow than taking off with a 747, but then, its also a hell of a lot more boring. Flying commercial airliners is a JOB. Its not fun, nor is it supposed to be. Anyway, this how I see it. There may be people who find it "fun" to spend hundreds of hours learning ATC procedures, standard take-off and approach routing etc. That would be no fun for me. Actually, I did a bit of it on a friend's computer but fell asleep during my initial climb-out to 32 000 feet!

By the way, flying the 747 on MSFS felt pretty consistent with flying the real world simulator, so it seems as if the flight model is pretty spot on.

Just my two cents worth - I'm sure many will disagree.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 11:07 AM
If you want to have fun with a taildragger, take the Extra 300 from MS FS 2k4 up for a ride.. NOW THAT IS TORQUE! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'm a lousy armchair pilot that has read many Bach books.. When he describes the biplane landing torque effects, it's quite like the Extra. And, just like his friend, the first time I flew it, I crashed right before stopping, after the landing. Someone will come up with charts to demonstrate that the FM is porked, but I am having fun thank you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif